Yea but I wonder how much booze and drugs it would take to kill all dem
roaches?
KM
wrote in message
...
On 23 Oct 2003 07:24:20 -0700, Steve Christensen
wrote:

In article , Rosalie B.
says...

x-no-archive:yes "Paul" wrote:

Errr....why not just go buy a chunk of dryice, toss it in and close
the
boat up?

One extra Oxygen molecule.

But it's not available is it? I thought it would be bound up and
unusable.
We spray it on a fire to choke it out so I figured it may have oxygen
but
it's not available. For that matter, water has oxygen too doesn't it?
But
you can't breathe it since it's not available.

I may be wrong ... I'm just wondering.

Carbon dioxide (from dry ice) is a simple asphyxiant. If it displaces
the oxygen in the air it will kill you, but it takes quite a bit of
it. You can be exposed to 30,000 ppm for 15 minutes and still be OK.

Carbon monoxide at 1500 ppm may lead to death, and the 15 minute
exposure limit is 35 ppm for an hour. This is because without the
extra oxygen molecule, CO has a 200 to 300 times great affinity for
hemoglobin than oxygen does. So even if there is enough oxygen
present, the CO will kick it off the hemoglobin and you will die. So
it isn't just a simple asphyxiant any more.


Roselie is correct about the CO being more than an asphyxiant. But the
object
of all this is to kill roaches, right? It's been awhile since college
zoology,
but I don't think roaches even have circulatory systems, let alone
hemoglobin.

I have frozen roaches in liquid nitrogen (when bored during a late night
in the
lab) only to have them thaw out and crawl away. Hardy little beasts.
Does
anyone even know whether depriving them of oxygen (with CO, CO2, N2,
whatever)
will kill them? I bet it's damn hard to do.

Steve Christensen

Wait until Keith Richards dies, and find out what killed him. That
will be your answer.

BB

Boy, where was THIS discussion when I had a barking dog as a neighbor. None
now that I live on the boat, but I sure would have used these ideas!

"Horace Brownbag" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 19:53:18 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Jack Rye" .# wrote in message
news:gXVlb.33432$Rd4.2825@fed1read07...
Thanks. Don't mined if I do. Cheers, and may I toast you on such an
astute
observation.

Dirty secret. If I'm up at 4:00 AM because the neighbor's dog is out
making
noise, I'll sometimes dose my cat (Rosie the Horrible) with catnip, let
her
out, and toss cat treats along the fenceline. Drives the friggin' dog
nuts,
and there seems to be no limit as to how much the the cat's willing to
spend
along that fence. The dog ends up with its neck and legs completely
wrapped
in its chain. Much more fun than calling the cops to enforce the noise
ordinance, which doesn't work most of the time anyway.

I wouldn't call it in as a noise violation.

I'd call animal control. If they are that irritating there is a
possibility of abuse.

I think there would be a greater probability of achieving a favorable
result.

I thought that mixing ammonia and chlorine produced Phosgene gas..as you
say..exceedingly deadly.




Jack Rye wrote:

Here is one of my best tricks at getting rid of roaches on a boat. Make
sure that you can open all the windows and hatches from outside the boat.
You do not want to go inside the boat to open the hatches. Put a 5 gallon
container inside the boat with a few fans to circulate the air. Pour equal
parts of Clorox and Ammonia into the five gallon container. Now run like
hell and get away from the boat. Clorox and Ammonia mixed together produces
a vary deadly substance called Chlorine Gas. Chlorine gas is odorless and
colorless, and highly deadly. Chlorine Gas will kill everything and anything
in a matter of a minutes. Many a house wife has died from mixing the two
chemicals together by accident.

I MUST REPEAT CLOROX AND AMMONIA MIXED IN EVEN SMALL AMOUNTS WILL KILL YOU
VARY QUICKLY.

The generator trick works well and the smell will be gone after airing out
the boat.

Jack
"Jack Rye" .# wrote in message
news:WQSlb.33413$Rd4.31832@fed1read07...
Because they are cold-blooded organisms, insects do not survive very well
in
extreme cold or hot temperatures. Each insect species has certain
temperature and humidity conditions where it thrives. Although there are
some differences between species, it should come as no surprise that our
domestic cockroaches are best adapted to temperatures that we maintain in
our homes. They do not develop or reproduce when temperatures are too cold
(below 45degrees F) or too hot (above 115degrees F).

Hot and cold temperatures can be very effective in killing cockroaches,
but
the adverse temperatures must be maintained for a period of time. Hot and
cold treatments are also most effective when they "shock" the cockroaches'
system. If cold temperatures are gradually lowered, insects have
physiological mechanisms that allow them to survive the cold. But, if you
take a jar of cockroaches from room temperature and put it into a sub-zero
freezer, the insects will be dead within a half hour. They just cannot
adapt
that quickly.

Because cockroaches cannot survive temperatures above 115degrees F to
120degrees F, it is possible to use heat to eradicate cockroaches from
restaurants and food service establishments. After all heat sensitive
equipment is removed from the building, the temperature is increased to
about 140-150degrees F for five to six hours. It may not be possible for
the
homeowner to increase the heat that much inside the home. But if a small,
infested appliance has many small crevices and can withstand 150degrees F
heat, a similar procedure can be used. The procedure is simple -- place
the
heat-proof metal appliance in an oven, and after several hours at
150degrees
F, the roaches will be dead.

Cold can also be used to kill cockroaches, but it takes a prolonged
exposure
to low temperatures to kill egg cases. Appliances or furniture can be left
in a garage when temperatures are below 0degrees F for several days. If
moving, leaving possessions in a truck or van will do the same thing.
Infestations in wall voids or indoor cavities can be subjected to extreme
cold by using a CO2 (carbon dioxide) gas canister. This will freeze a
localized area. Infested appliances can also be fumigated with CO2. Place
it
in a plastic bag or other airtight container and inject carbon dioxide
gas.
Allow freezing to occur. If a small item can be subjected to freezing, it
also can be placed in a freezer for several hours (or overnight) to kill
the
cockroaches.



Jack

"Steve Christensen" wrote in message
...
In article , Rosalie B.
says...

x-no-archive:yes "Paul" wrote:

Errr....why not just go buy a chunk of dryice, toss it in and
close
the
boat up?

One extra Oxygen molecule.

But it's not available is it? I thought it would be bound up and
unusable.
We spray it on a fire to choke it out so I figured it may have oxygen
but
it's not available. For that matter, water has oxygen too doesn't it?
But
you can't breathe it since it's not available.

I may be wrong ... I'm just wondering.

Carbon dioxide (from dry ice) is a simple asphyxiant. If it displaces
the oxygen in the air it will kill you, but it takes quite a bit of
it. You can be exposed to 30,000 ppm for 15 minutes and still be OK.

Carbon monoxide at 1500 ppm may lead to death, and the 15 minute
exposure limit is 35 ppm for an hour. This is because without the
extra oxygen molecule, CO has a 200 to 300 times great affinity for
hemoglobin than oxygen does. So even if there is enough oxygen
present, the CO will kick it off the hemoglobin and you will die. So
it isn't just a simple asphyxiant any more.


Roselie is correct about the CO being more than an asphyxiant. But the
object
of all this is to kill roaches, right? It's been awhile since college
zoology,
but I don't think roaches even have circulatory systems, let alone
hemoglobin.

I have frozen roaches in liquid nitrogen (when bored during a late night
in the
lab) only to have them thaw out and crawl away. Hardy little beasts.
Does
anyone even know whether depriving them of oxygen (with CO, CO2, N2,
whatever)
will kill them? I bet it's damn hard to do.

Steve Christensen

x-no-archive:yes
Steve Christensen wrote:

In article , Rosalie B. says...

x-no-archive:yes "Paul" wrote:

Errr....why not just go buy a chunk of dryice, toss it in and close the
boat up?

One extra Oxygen molecule.

But it's not available is it? I thought it would be bound up and unusable.
We spray it on a fire to choke it out so I figured it may have oxygen but
it's not available. For that matter, water has oxygen too doesn't it? But
you can't breathe it since it's not available.

I may be wrong ... I'm just wondering.

Carbon dioxide (from dry ice) is a simple asphyxiant. If it displaces
the oxygen in the air it will kill you, but it takes quite a bit of
it. You can be exposed to 30,000 ppm for 15 minutes and still be OK.

Carbon monoxide at 1500 ppm may lead to death, and the 15 minute
exposure limit is 35 ppm for an hour. This is because without the
extra oxygen molecule, CO has a 200 to 300 times great affinity for
hemoglobin than oxygen does. So even if there is enough oxygen
present, the CO will kick it off the hemoglobin and you will die. So
it isn't just a simple asphyxiant any more.


Roselie is correct about the CO being more than an asphyxiant. But the object
of all this is to kill roaches, right? It's been awhile since college zoology,
but I don't think roaches even have circulatory systems, let alone hemoglobin.

I have frozen roaches in liquid nitrogen (when bored during a late night in the
lab) only to have them thaw out and crawl away. Hardy little beasts. Does
anyone even know whether depriving them of oxygen (with CO, CO2, N2, whatever)
will kill them? I bet it's damn hard to do.

I used to teach middle school science and I asked the 7th grade
students to make an insect collection. In the old days, we used
carbon tet to kill them, but that's not available anymore because of
the ozone layer thing. So the kids had to freeze them. Unfortunately
some insects are very hard to kill by freezing - it was quite common
for the wasps to come to after having been mounted in the collection
box - and boy were they mad!!! A determined wasp could sometimes get
off the pin. We didn't get roaches much.

Ticks (which aren't insects of course) are also hard to kill and we
would occasionally drown them or the children would pick them off
their horses and kill them by zapping them with the end of the
electric fence.

I think the boric acid is really the best solution which offers the
least possibility of your killing yourself. or blowing up your boat
(those insect bombs are often quite flammable when the propellant is
propane).

grandma Rosalie

x-no-archive:yes Larry Demers wrote:

I thought that mixing ammonia and chlorine produced Phosgene gas..as you
say..exceedingly deadly.

Phosgene is most commonly produced by strong UV light (such as when
welding) in the presence of chlorine compounds. It's also an
intermediate step in the production of isocyanates. In an industrial
setting phosgene is produced by reacting equimolar amounts of carbon
monoxide and anhydrous chlorine in the presence of a carbon catalyst
under appropriate conditions of temperature and pressure.

Jack Rye wrote:

Here is one of my best tricks at getting rid of roaches on a boat. Make
sure that you can open all the windows and hatches from outside the boat.
You do not want to go inside the boat to open the hatches. Put a 5 gallon
container inside the boat with a few fans to circulate the air. Pour equal
parts of Clorox and Ammonia into the five gallon container. Now run like
hell and get away from the boat. Clorox and Ammonia mixed together produces
a vary deadly substance called Chlorine Gas. Chlorine gas is odorless and
colorless, and highly deadly. Chlorine Gas will kill everything and anything
in a matter of a minutes. Many a house wife has died from mixing the two
chemicals together by accident.

I MUST REPEAT CLOROX AND AMMONIA MIXED IN EVEN SMALL AMOUNTS WILL KILL YOU
VARY QUICKLY.

The generator trick works well and the smell will be gone after airing out
the boat.

Jack
"Jack Rye" .# wrote in message
news:WQSlb.33413$Rd4.31832@fed1read07...
Because they are cold-blooded organisms, insects do not survive very well
in
extreme cold or hot temperatures. Each insect species has certain
temperature and humidity conditions where it thrives. Although there are
some differences between species, it should come as no surprise that our
domestic cockroaches are best adapted to temperatures that we maintain in
our homes. They do not develop or reproduce when temperatures are too cold
(below 45degrees F) or too hot (above 115degrees F).

Hot and cold temperatures can be very effective in killing cockroaches,
but
the adverse temperatures must be maintained for a period of time. Hot and
cold treatments are also most effective when they "shock" the cockroaches'
system. If cold temperatures are gradually lowered, insects have
physiological mechanisms that allow them to survive the cold. But, if you
take a jar of cockroaches from room temperature and put it into a sub-zero
freezer, the insects will be dead within a half hour. They just cannot
adapt
that quickly.

Because cockroaches cannot survive temperatures above 115degrees F to
120degrees F, it is possible to use heat to eradicate cockroaches from
restaurants and food service establishments. After all heat sensitive
equipment is removed from the building, the temperature is increased to
about 140-150degrees F for five to six hours. It may not be possible for
the
homeowner to increase the heat that much inside the home. But if a small,
infested appliance has many small crevices and can withstand 150degrees F
heat, a similar procedure can be used. The procedure is simple -- place
the
heat-proof metal appliance in an oven, and after several hours at
150degrees
F, the roaches will be dead.

Cold can also be used to kill cockroaches, but it takes a prolonged
exposure
to low temperatures to kill egg cases. Appliances or furniture can be left
in a garage when temperatures are below 0degrees F for several days. If
moving, leaving possessions in a truck or van will do the same thing.
Infestations in wall voids or indoor cavities can be subjected to extreme
cold by using a CO2 (carbon dioxide) gas canister. This will freeze a
localized area. Infested appliances can also be fumigated with CO2. Place
it
in a plastic bag or other airtight container and inject carbon dioxide
gas.
Allow freezing to occur. If a small item can be subjected to freezing, it
also can be placed in a freezer for several hours (or overnight) to kill
the
cockroaches.



Jack

"Steve Christensen" wrote in message
...
In article , Rosalie B.
says...

x-no-archive:yes "Paul" wrote:

Errr....why not just go buy a chunk of dryice, toss it in and
close
the
boat up?

One extra Oxygen molecule.

But it's not available is it? I thought it would be bound up and
unusable.
We spray it on a fire to choke it out so I figured it may have oxygen
but
it's not available. For that matter, water has oxygen too doesn't it?
But
you can't breathe it since it's not available.

I may be wrong ... I'm just wondering.

Carbon dioxide (from dry ice) is a simple asphyxiant. If it displaces
the oxygen in the air it will kill you, but it takes quite a bit of
it. You can be exposed to 30,000 ppm for 15 minutes and still be OK.

Carbon monoxide at 1500 ppm may lead to death, and the 15 minute
exposure limit is 35 ppm for an hour. This is because without the
extra oxygen molecule, CO has a 200 to 300 times great affinity for
hemoglobin than oxygen does. So even if there is enough oxygen
present, the CO will kick it off the hemoglobin and you will die. So
it isn't just a simple asphyxiant any more.


Roselie is correct about the CO being more than an asphyxiant. But the
object
of all this is to kill roaches, right? It's been awhile since college
zoology,
but I don't think roaches even have circulatory systems, let alone
hemoglobin.

I have frozen roaches in liquid nitrogen (when bored during a late night
in the
lab) only to have them thaw out and crawl away. Hardy little beasts.
Does
anyone even know whether depriving them of oxygen (with CO, CO2, N2,
whatever)
will kill them? I bet it's damn hard to do.

Steve Christensen




grandma Rosalie

Phosgene COC12 also called Carbonyl Chloride. First came into use during
World War 1. Where it was used alone or mixed with Chlorine. Inhalation of
the gas causes sever lung injury. With the full effect appearing several
hours after exposure. Carbon Monoxide and Chlorine in the presence of a
catalyst produces Phosgene. Phosgene reacts with water to form Carbon
Dioxide and Hydrochloric Acid. Phosgene COC12 also called Carbonyl
Chloride. a colorless, chemically reactive, highly toxic gas. Having an
odor like that of musty hay.

Jack
"Larry Demers" wrote in message
...
I thought that mixing ammonia and chlorine produced Phosgene gas..as you
say..exceedingly deadly.




Jack Rye wrote:

Here is one of my best tricks at getting rid of roaches on a boat. Make
sure that you can open all the windows and hatches from outside the
boat.
You do not want to go inside the boat to open the hatches. Put a 5
gallon
container inside the boat with a few fans to circulate the air. Pour
equal
parts of Clorox and Ammonia into the five gallon container. Now run like
hell and get away from the boat. Clorox and Ammonia mixed together
produces
a vary deadly substance called Chlorine Gas. Chlorine gas is odorless
and
colorless, and highly deadly. Chlorine Gas will kill everything and
anything
in a matter of a minutes. Many a house wife has died from mixing the
two
chemicals together by accident.

I MUST REPEAT CLOROX AND AMMONIA MIXED IN EVEN SMALL AMOUNTS WILL KILL
YOU
VARY QUICKLY.

The generator trick works well and the smell will be gone after airing
out
the boat.

Jack
"Jack Rye" .# wrote in message
news:WQSlb.33413$Rd4.31832@fed1read07...
Because they are cold-blooded organisms, insects do not survive very
well
in
extreme cold or hot temperatures. Each insect species has certain
temperature and humidity conditions where it thrives. Although there
are
some differences between species, it should come as no surprise that
our
domestic cockroaches are best adapted to temperatures that we maintain
in
our homes. They do not develop or reproduce when temperatures are too
cold
(below 45degrees F) or too hot (above 115degrees F).

Hot and cold temperatures can be very effective in killing
cockroaches,
but
the adverse temperatures must be maintained for a period of time. Hot
and
cold treatments are also most effective when they "shock" the
cockroaches'
system. If cold temperatures are gradually lowered, insects have
physiological mechanisms that allow them to survive the cold. But, if
you
take a jar of cockroaches from room temperature and put it into a
sub-zero
freezer, the insects will be dead within a half hour. They just cannot
adapt
that quickly.

Because cockroaches cannot survive temperatures above 115degrees F to
120degrees F, it is possible to use heat to eradicate cockroaches from
restaurants and food service establishments. After all heat sensitive
equipment is removed from the building, the temperature is increased
to
about 140-150degrees F for five to six hours. It may not be possible
for
the
homeowner to increase the heat that much inside the home. But if a
small,
infested appliance has many small crevices and can withstand
150degrees F
heat, a similar procedure can be used. The procedure is simple --
place
the
heat-proof metal appliance in an oven, and after several hours at
150degrees
F, the roaches will be dead.

Cold can also be used to kill cockroaches, but it takes a prolonged
exposure
to low temperatures to kill egg cases. Appliances or furniture can be
left
in a garage when temperatures are below 0degrees F for several days.
If
moving, leaving possessions in a truck or van will do the same thing.
Infestations in wall voids or indoor cavities can be subjected to
extreme
cold by using a CO2 (carbon dioxide) gas canister. This will freeze a
localized area. Infested appliances can also be fumigated with CO2.
Place
it
in a plastic bag or other airtight container and inject carbon dioxide
gas.
Allow freezing to occur. If a small item can be subjected to freezing,
it
also can be placed in a freezer for several hours (or overnight) to
kill
the
cockroaches.



Jack

"Steve Christensen" wrote in message
...
In article , Rosalie B.
says...

x-no-archive:yes "Paul" wrote:

Errr....why not just go buy a chunk of dryice, toss it in and
close
the
boat up?

One extra Oxygen molecule.

But it's not available is it? I thought it would be bound up and
unusable.
We spray it on a fire to choke it out so I figured it may have
oxygen
but
it's not available. For that matter, water has oxygen too doesn't
it?
But
you can't breathe it since it's not available.

I may be wrong ... I'm just wondering.

Carbon dioxide (from dry ice) is a simple asphyxiant. If it
displaces
the oxygen in the air it will kill you, but it takes quite a bit of
it. You can be exposed to 30,000 ppm for 15 minutes and still be
OK.

Carbon monoxide at 1500 ppm may lead to death, and the 15 minute
exposure limit is 35 ppm for an hour. This is because without the
extra oxygen molecule, CO has a 200 to 300 times great affinity for
hemoglobin than oxygen does. So even if there is enough oxygen
present, the CO will kick it off the hemoglobin and you will die.
So
it isn't just a simple asphyxiant any more.


Roselie is correct about the CO being more than an asphyxiant. But
the
object
of all this is to kill roaches, right? It's been awhile since
college
zoology,
but I don't think roaches even have circulatory systems, let alone
hemoglobin.

I have frozen roaches in liquid nitrogen (when bored during a late
night
in the
lab) only to have them thaw out and crawl away. Hardy little
beasts.
Does
anyone even know whether depriving them of oxygen (with CO, CO2, N2,
whatever)
will kill them? I bet it's damn hard to do.

Steve Christensen

Is there any way to kill the eggs before they hatch? The tip
about no cardboard boxes on the boat is a good one that I
have heard often. Another piece of advice I read once is to
also be careful of paper labels on tins; apparently roaches
also like to lay their eggs behind these if the label isn't
well stuck on so it can be a good idea to take off such labels.

If there was a way to kill eggs before they hatch then I have
such a hate of roaches that I would seriously consider
creating a decontamination chamber on deck somewhere
and try to process any material coming onto the boat in case
there were eggs in it. (I guess I might exclude guests from this
procedure, especially if it involved noxious gasses).

Does anyone have any thoughts on killing eggs? Is it possible?
Also, what does a roach egg look like? In particular, how big
are they?

- Julian.

Agreed. The bug bombs do provide a good test for the propane detector.

"Rosalie B." wrote in message
...
x-no-archive:yes
Steve Christensen wrote:

In article , Rosalie B.
says...

x-no-archive:yes "Paul" wrote:

Errr....why not just go buy a chunk of dryice, toss it in and close
the
boat up?

One extra Oxygen molecule.

But it's not available is it? I thought it would be bound up and
unusable.
We spray it on a fire to choke it out so I figured it may have oxygen
but
it's not available. For that matter, water has oxygen too doesn't it?
But
you can't breathe it since it's not available.

I may be wrong ... I'm just wondering.

Carbon dioxide (from dry ice) is a simple asphyxiant. If it displaces
the oxygen in the air it will kill you, but it takes quite a bit of
it. You can be exposed to 30,000 ppm for 15 minutes and still be OK.

Carbon monoxide at 1500 ppm may lead to death, and the 15 minute
exposure limit is 35 ppm for an hour. This is because without the
extra oxygen molecule, CO has a 200 to 300 times great affinity for
hemoglobin than oxygen does. So even if there is enough oxygen
present, the CO will kick it off the hemoglobin and you will die. So
it isn't just a simple asphyxiant any more.


Roselie is correct about the CO being more than an asphyxiant. But the
object
of all this is to kill roaches, right? It's been awhile since college
zoology,
but I don't think roaches even have circulatory systems, let alone
hemoglobin.

I have frozen roaches in liquid nitrogen (when bored during a late night
in the
lab) only to have them thaw out and crawl away. Hardy little beasts.
Does
anyone even know whether depriving them of oxygen (with CO, CO2, N2,
whatever)
will kill them? I bet it's damn hard to do.

I used to teach middle school science and I asked the 7th grade
students to make an insect collection. In the old days, we used
carbon tet to kill them, but that's not available anymore because of
the ozone layer thing. So the kids had to freeze them. Unfortunately
some insects are very hard to kill by freezing - it was quite common
for the wasps to come to after having been mounted in the collection
box - and boy were they mad!!! A determined wasp could sometimes get
off the pin. We didn't get roaches much.

Ticks (which aren't insects of course) are also hard to kill and we
would occasionally drown them or the children would pick them off
their horses and kill them by zapping them with the end of the
electric fence.

I think the boric acid is really the best solution which offers the
least possibility of your killing yourself. or blowing up your boat
(those insect bombs are often quite flammable when the propellant is
propane).

grandma Rosalie

Egg size depends on the species. Those big tree roaches (Palmetto bugs for
you FL folks) have an egg case about 3/8" long, dark brown. Who knows what
the German cockroach eggs look like. They're almost microscopic when they
hatch. I know this from recent experience!

For dry foodstuffs, you can microwave it when you bring it on the boat, but
obviously this doesn't work with metal stuff. I've also heard that when you
store rice, flour, etc., seal up a little piece of dry ice with it and the
CO2 will kill them. However, how many of us carry dry ice in the real world?

There are some roach baits out there that claim to sterilize the little
buggers so that they don't make eggs, or at least they don't hatch.

"Julian" wrote in message
...
Is there any way to kill the eggs before they hatch? The tip
about no cardboard boxes on the boat is a good one that I
have heard often. Another piece of advice I read once is to
also be careful of paper labels on tins; apparently roaches
also like to lay their eggs behind these if the label isn't
well stuck on so it can be a good idea to take off such labels.

If there was a way to kill eggs before they hatch then I have
such a hate of roaches that I would seriously consider
creating a decontamination chamber on deck somewhere
and try to process any material coming onto the boat in case
there were eggs in it. (I guess I might exclude guests from this
procedure, especially if it involved noxious gasses).

Does anyone have any thoughts on killing eggs? Is it possible?
Also, what does a roach egg look like? In particular, how big
are they?

- Julian.

Horace Brownbag wrote:

I went through a period where we were tired of throwing out the roach
infected food...so we ate with our eyes closed. No thanks....

I shared your prejudice as a child. But then my job took me aboard one
of our rich uncle sam's big grey yachts. I was sitting in the wardroom
at near midnight yearning for a snack when an officer came in with a
nice steaming bowl of soup. Where? Midrats, down on the mess deck. Off I
went to get in the line, my mouth literally watering at the soup's
scent; but when I got to the big whaddacallit of soup there were a dozen
or so roaches swimming in it!! Noting my hesitancy a sailor said "Here,
lemme show you. Dip the ladle to the bottom, shake it back and forth,
then pull it up quickly!" With that he matched word with deed and handed
me a roachless bowl of soup which, acknowledging that I'd been eating
out of that same "mess" for days, I promptly ate with great enjoyment.

Sorry to tell y'all this but Ms Rosalie's right: almost everything we
eat contains insect and/or rodent parts and droppings.