On 11/4/2015 12:31 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/4/15 12:27 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/4/2015 11:58 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/4/15 9:20 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/4/2015 8:15 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
...has a liberal bias...

So, is the mainstream media really left-wing, or even liberal, as
those
on the right love to claim?

Tt should be noted that the real world tends to have a liberal bias
— at
least what Ted Cruz considers a liberal bias. Take climate change, for
example. The fact that the climate is warming because of human
activity
is a completely uncontroversial notion; it is happening, and the vast
majority of scientists agree that it will be catastrophic for humanity
if nothing is done very soon. That the mainstream media does not
contest
the issue of climate change, or claim that it is some giant left-wing
conspiracy, does not prove it is liberal, but that it is operating in
reality. Cruz does not operate in reality, and believes climate change
(i.e. science) is a “religion.� But just because Cruz believes
this, or
his deranged father, Rafael, believes that evolution is a communist
lie,
does not mean that evolutionary biologists are communists or that
climate scientists are religious fanatics — it means that Rafael Cruz
and his son are delusional.

http://tinyurl.com/nmqhdxk

- - -

Yup.



How and from what sources has the "real world" been convinced that
climate change is a result of human activity? Who has declared that
human activity being the cause is an "uncontroversial notion"?

Why, of course. Liberals and the liberal media.


Right, because nearly all the scientists who agree human activity is a
major contributor to global warming/climate chage are card-carrying
liberals, and, of course, nearly all scientists agree.

Gotta love rec.boats, the Ben Carson-approved usenet group.

Sheesh.


Man caused climate change is far from being a "uncontroversial notion".
There are many scientists who disagree or who acknowledge a human
influence but it is in the noise level on a signal to noise ratio when
compared to cyclic, natural causes.

Point is, nobody really knows for sure.



What's the percentage of scientists who believe humans are the cause of
global warming/change to scientists who don't believe humans are the
cause of global warming/change? 99.9% to 00.1%? There aren't many
non-believing scientists compared to believing scientists.


There are many reasons scientists jump on a bandwagon ... or cling to
existing theories.

Here's an example, although in reverse:

When Al Einstein first published his general theory of relativity, it
was met with scorn and criticism by virtually all of the leading
scientists of the day. It wasn't until the famous eclipse experiment
in 1919 that his theory became accepted and it fundamentally changed
physics the laws of physics to this day.

On 11/4/15 1:06 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 4 Nov 2015 12:31:17 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 11/4/15 12:27 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/4/2015 11:58 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/4/15 9:20 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/4/2015 8:15 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
...has a liberal bias...

So, is the mainstream media really left-wing, or even liberal, as those
on the right love to claim?

Tt should be noted that the real world tends to have a liberal bias
— at
least what Ted Cruz considers a liberal bias. Take climate change, for
example. The fact that the climate is warming because of human activity
is a completely uncontroversial notion; it is happening, and the vast
majority of scientists agree that it will be catastrophic for humanity
if nothing is done very soon. That the mainstream media does not
contest
the issue of climate change, or claim that it is some giant left-wing
conspiracy, does not prove it is liberal, but that it is operating in
reality. Cruz does not operate in reality, and believes climate change
(i.e. science) is a “religion.� But just because Cruz believes this, or
his deranged father, Rafael, believes that evolution is a communist
lie,
does not mean that evolutionary biologists are communists or that
climate scientists are religious fanatics — it means that Rafael Cruz
and his son are delusional.

http://tinyurl.com/nmqhdxk

- - -

Yup.



How and from what sources has the "real world" been convinced that
climate change is a result of human activity? Who has declared that
human activity being the cause is an "uncontroversial notion"?

Why, of course. Liberals and the liberal media.


Right, because nearly all the scientists who agree human activity is a
major contributor to global warming/climate chage are card-carrying
liberals, and, of course, nearly all scientists agree.

Gotta love rec.boats, the Ben Carson-approved usenet group.

Sheesh.


Man caused climate change is far from being a "uncontroversial notion".
There are many scientists who disagree or who acknowledge a human
influence but it is in the noise level on a signal to noise ratio when
compared to cyclic, natural causes.

Point is, nobody really knows for sure.



What's the percentage of scientists who believe humans are the cause of
global warming/change to scientists who don't believe humans are the
cause of global warming/change? 99.9% to 00.1%? There aren't many
non-believing scientists compared to believing scientists.

There are certainly not many willing to endanger their tenure and
their grants by saying it publicly. Most are silent on the subject.



Apparently you don't know what academic tenure is...

On 11/4/2015 12:56 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/4/15 12:52 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 4 Nov 2015 11:58:49 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 11/4/15 11:33 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 4 Nov 2015 09:20:02 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/4/2015 8:15 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
...has a liberal bias...

So, is the mainstream media really left-wing, or even liberal, as
those
on the right love to claim?

Tt should be noted that the real world tends to have a liberal
bias — at
least what Ted Cruz considers a liberal bias. Take climate change,
for
example. The fact that the climate is warming because of human
activity
is a completely uncontroversial notion; it is happening, and the vast
majority of scientists agree that it will be catastrophic for
humanity
if nothing is done very soon. That the mainstream media does not
contest
the issue of climate change, or claim that it is some giant left-wing
conspiracy, does not prove it is liberal, but that it is operating in
reality. Cruz does not operate in reality, and believes climate
change
(i.e. science) is a “religion.� But just because Cruz believes
this, or
his deranged father, Rafael, believes that evolution is a
communist lie,
does not mean that evolutionary biologists are communists or that
climate scientists are religious fanatics — it means that Rafael Cruz
and his son are delusional.

http://tinyurl.com/nmqhdxk

- - -

Yup.



How and from what sources has the "real world" been convinced that
climate change is a result of human activity? Who has declared that
human activity being the cause is an "uncontroversial notion"?

Why, of course. Liberals and the liberal media.

There is plenty of science that demonstrates that CO2 levels have
risen because of man but it seems to be the rise of agriculture as
much as anything else they have proven. This is an 8000 year trend and
tracks population as closely as any other metric.

Nuclear war will fix it but that may not be the way we want to go. ;-)



What's the libertarian approach? Do nothing?

Only do things that help. Snake oil like carbon credits and ethanol
don't help anything but the bottom line of the people who sell it.

We should be figuring what we are going to do in a warmer world, not
deluding ourselves that we can change it.
That is still far from the biggest danger we face. We have people like
you wringing their hands about global warming that may affect our
great grandchildren and ignoring the debt bubble that could crush the
world economy in a matter of weeks.
It certainly appears that the resulting nuclear war seems to be the
democratic plan for global warming.


Ahh, life in the libertarian bubble...don't do anything.


Greg didn't say that. You either need a refresher course in
understanding what you read ... or a beginner's course in intellectual
honesty.

On 11/4/15 1:11 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/4/2015 12:56 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/4/15 12:52 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 4 Nov 2015 11:58:49 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 11/4/15 11:33 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 4 Nov 2015 09:20:02 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/4/2015 8:15 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
...has a liberal bias...

So, is the mainstream media really left-wing, or even liberal, as
those
on the right love to claim?

Tt should be noted that the real world tends to have a liberal
bias — at
least what Ted Cruz considers a liberal bias. Take climate change,
for
example. The fact that the climate is warming because of human
activity
is a completely uncontroversial notion; it is happening, and the
vast
majority of scientists agree that it will be catastrophic for
humanity
if nothing is done very soon. That the mainstream media does not
contest
the issue of climate change, or claim that it is some giant
left-wing
conspiracy, does not prove it is liberal, but that it is
operating in
reality. Cruz does not operate in reality, and believes climate
change
(i.e. science) is a “religion.� But just because Cruz believes
this, or
his deranged father, Rafael, believes that evolution is a
communist lie,
does not mean that evolutionary biologists are communists or that
climate scientists are religious fanatics — it means that Rafael
Cruz
and his son are delusional.

http://tinyurl.com/nmqhdxk

- - -

Yup.



How and from what sources has the "real world" been convinced that
climate change is a result of human activity? Who has declared that
human activity being the cause is an "uncontroversial notion"?

Why, of course. Liberals and the liberal media.

There is plenty of science that demonstrates that CO2 levels have
risen because of man but it seems to be the rise of agriculture as
much as anything else they have proven. This is an 8000 year trend and
tracks population as closely as any other metric.

Nuclear war will fix it but that may not be the way we want to go. ;-)



What's the libertarian approach? Do nothing?

Only do things that help. Snake oil like carbon credits and ethanol
don't help anything but the bottom line of the people who sell it.

We should be figuring what we are going to do in a warmer world, not
deluding ourselves that we can change it.
That is still far from the biggest danger we face. We have people like
you wringing their hands about global warming that may affect our
great grandchildren and ignoring the debt bubble that could crush the
world economy in a matter of weeks.
It certainly appears that the resulting nuclear war seems to be the
democratic plan for global warming.


Ahh, life in the libertarian bubble...don't do anything.


Greg didn't say that. You either need a refresher course in
understanding what you read ... or a beginner's course in intellectual
honesty.



"Only things that help" is not an answer, and neither is doing nothing
and hoping we can cope.

On Wed, 4 Nov 2015 12:56:40 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 11/4/15 12:52 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 4 Nov 2015 11:58:49 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 11/4/15 11:33 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 4 Nov 2015 09:20:02 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/4/2015 8:15 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
...has a liberal bias...

So, is the mainstream media really left-wing, or even liberal, as those
on the right love to claim?

Tt should be noted that the real world tends to have a liberal bias — at
least what Ted Cruz considers a liberal bias. Take climate change, for
example. The fact that the climate is warming because of human activity
is a completely uncontroversial notion; it is happening, and the vast
majority of scientists agree that it will be catastrophic for humanity
if nothing is done very soon. That the mainstream media does not contest
the issue of climate change, or claim that it is some giant left-wing
conspiracy, does not prove it is liberal, but that it is operating in
reality. Cruz does not operate in reality, and believes climate change
(i.e. science) is a “religion.� But just because Cruz believes this, or
his deranged father, Rafael, believes that evolution is a communist lie,
does not mean that evolutionary biologists are communists or that
climate scientists are religious fanatics — it means that Rafael Cruz
and his son are delusional.

http://tinyurl.com/nmqhdxk

- - -

Yup.



How and from what sources has the "real world" been convinced that
climate change is a result of human activity? Who has declared that
human activity being the cause is an "uncontroversial notion"?

Why, of course. Liberals and the liberal media.

There is plenty of science that demonstrates that CO2 levels have
risen because of man but it seems to be the rise of agriculture as
much as anything else they have proven. This is an 8000 year trend and
tracks population as closely as any other metric.

Nuclear war will fix it but that may not be the way we want to go. ;-)



What's the libertarian approach? Do nothing?

Only do things that help. Snake oil like carbon credits and ethanol
don't help anything but the bottom line of the people who sell it.

We should be figuring what we are going to do in a warmer world, not
deluding ourselves that we can change it.
That is still far from the biggest danger we face. We have people like
you wringing their hands about global warming that may affect our
great grandchildren and ignoring the debt bubble that could crush the
world economy in a matter of weeks.
It certainly appears that the resulting nuclear war seems to be the
democratic plan for global warming.


Ahh, life in the libertarian bubble...don't do anything.

Are you just acting like you are obtuse or is it a reading
comprehension problem?
My point is the clear and present danger is not some theory about what
may happen in 100 years but a real debt problem that could affect the
whole world tomorrow.
Just look at how fast the markets crashed over a little dip in housing
prices. Within a couple of months, the banks didn't even think the
houses they were using for collateral were valuable enough to
foreclose on. The government's plan was to simply print more money to
cover the debt the bailout created.
I understand people like you see no problem with that but it is going
to blow up on all of us eventually.
The fact remains that the US is buried in debt and the left's answer
is to simply lift our credit limit without actually showing any
increase in income. That is exactly what caused the housing crash.

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/4/15 12:27 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/4/2015 11:58 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/4/15 9:20 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/4/2015 8:15 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
...has a liberal bias...

So, is the mainstream media really left-wing, or even liberal, as those
on the right love to claim?

Tt should be noted that the real world tends to have a liberal bias
— at
least what Ted Cruz considers a liberal bias. Take climate change, for
example. The fact that the climate is warming because of human activity
is a completely uncontroversial notion; it is happening, and the vast
majority of scientists agree that it will be catastrophic for humanity
if nothing is done very soon. That the mainstream media does not
contest
the issue of climate change, or claim that it is some giant left-wing
conspiracy, does not prove it is liberal, but that it is operating in
reality. Cruz does not operate in reality, and believes climate change
(i.e. science) is a “religion.� But just because Cruz believes this, or
his deranged father, Rafael, believes that evolution is a communist
lie,
does not mean that evolutionary biologists are communists or that
climate scientists are religious fanatics — it means that Rafael Cruz
and his son are delusional.

http://tinyurl.com/nmqhdxk

- - -

Yup.



How and from what sources has the "real world" been convinced that
climate change is a result of human activity? Who has declared that
human activity being the cause is an "uncontroversial notion"?

Why, of course. Liberals and the liberal media.


Right, because nearly all the scientists who agree human activity is a
major contributor to global warming/climate chage are card-carrying
liberals, and, of course, nearly all scientists agree.

Gotta love rec.boats, the Ben Carson-approved usenet group.

Sheesh.


Man caused climate change is far from being a "uncontroversial notion".
There are many scientists who disagree or who acknowledge a human
influence but it is in the noise level on a signal to noise ratio when
compared to cyclic, natural causes.

Point is, nobody really knows for sure.



What's the percentage of scientists who believe humans are the cause of
global warming/change to scientists who don't believe humans are the
cause of global warming/change? 99.9% to 00.1%? There aren't many
non-believing scientists compared to believing scientists.


Lots of non believing scientists. But the money is flowing to those who
say they believe. Follow the money!

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/4/15 12:06 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/4/15 9:20 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/4/2015 8:15 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
...has a liberal bias...

So, is the mainstream media really left-wing, or even liberal, as those
on the right love to claim?

Tt should be noted that the real world tends to have a liberal bias — at
least what Ted Cruz considers a liberal bias. Take climate change, for
example. The fact that the climate is warming because of human activity
is a completely uncontroversial notion; it is happening, and the vast
majority of scientists agree that it will be catastrophic for humanity
if nothing is done very soon. That the mainstream media does not contest
the issue of climate change, or claim that it is some giant left-wing
conspiracy, does not prove it is liberal, but that it is operating in
reality. Cruz does not operate in reality, and believes climate change
(i.e. science) is a “religion.� But just because Cruz believes this, or
his deranged father, Rafael, believes that evolution is a communist lie,
does not mean that evolutionary biologists are communists or that
climate scientists are religious fanatics — it means that Rafael Cruz
and his son are delusional.

http://tinyurl.com/nmqhdxk

- - -

Yup.



How and from what sources has the "real world" been convinced that
climate change is a result of human activity? Who has declared that
human activity being the cause is an "uncontroversial notion"?

Why, of course. Liberals and the liberal media.


Right, because nearly all the scientists who agree human activity is a
major contributor to global warming/climate chage are card-carrying
liberals, and, of course, nearly all scientists agree.

Gotta love rec.boats, the Ben Carson-approved usenet group.

Sheesh.


I guess the rise of man and agriculture stopped the ice age 10,000 years
ago.


How could that be possible when Dr. Ben believes "creation" didn't
happen that far in the past?


More brain farts. Avoid the question and fart. Harry's MO.

On 11/4/2015 1:04 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/4/15 12:58 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/4/2015 12:19 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/4/15 12:06 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/4/15 9:20 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/4/2015 8:15 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
...has a liberal bias...

So, is the mainstream media really left-wing, or even liberal, as
those
on the right love to claim?

Tt should be noted that the real world tends to have a liberal bias
— at
least what Ted Cruz considers a liberal bias. Take climate change,
for
example. The fact that the climate is warming because of human
activity
is a completely uncontroversial notion; it is happening, and the
vast
majority of scientists agree that it will be catastrophic for
humanity
if nothing is done very soon. That the mainstream media does not
contest
the issue of climate change, or claim that it is some giant
left-wing
conspiracy, does not prove it is liberal, but that it is
operating in
reality. Cruz does not operate in reality, and believes climate
change
(i.e. science) is a “religion.� But just because Cruz believes
this, or
his deranged father, Rafael, believes that evolution is a communist
lie,
does not mean that evolutionary biologists are communists or that
climate scientists are religious fanatics — it means that Rafael
Cruz
and his son are delusional.

http://tinyurl.com/nmqhdxk

- - -

Yup.



How and from what sources has the "real world" been convinced that
climate change is a result of human activity? Who has declared that
human activity being the cause is an "uncontroversial notion"?

Why, of course. Liberals and the liberal media.


Right, because nearly all the scientists who agree human activity is a
major contributor to global warming/climate chage are card-carrying
liberals, and, of course, nearly all scientists agree.

Gotta love rec.boats, the Ben Carson-approved usenet group.

Sheesh.


I guess the rise of man and agriculture stopped the ice age 10,000
years
ago.


How could that be possible when Dr. Ben believes "creation" didn't
happen that far in the past?


Let's keep it honest and accurate, shall we?

Carson has never made a claim as to *when" mankind was created.
In fact, here's a direct quote by him:

" -- and I’m not a hard and fast person who says the Earth is only 6,000
years old -- "

and, referencing the Bible:

“It says, in the beginning God created the Heaven and the Earth,� “It
doesn’t say when He created them except for "in the beginning."

BTW, Carson *does* believe in evolution, but not on the grand scale as
proposed by Darwin. He claims that according to the Bible each thing
brought forth was after its own kind. Evolutionary changes *within*
each species has occurred to adapt to changing climates and/or
environments. He has also stated, "But in no way has a species evolved
into another species".

This certainly isn't the view of someone who thinks life on earth is
only 6 or 10 thousand years old.

Gotta keep the liberal smear machine honest once in a while.....


Gosh...you've evolved into the defender of Obnoxious Trump and Know
Nothing Carson. Congrats.

Oh, and the Carson quote on evolutionary change demonstrates his belief
in the bible over his belief in evolution and evolutionary theory.
Carson is a "creationist," ergo, a believer in superstitious bull****.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyHDJgTYi1k



Carson has a right to believe in anything he wants to believe in.
He doesn't have a right to force his beliefs upon others due to a
political position he may or may not hold. He has stated this
on numerous occasions.

Oh, and I am not "defending" anyone. I was simply correcting your
implied reference to Carson believing that life on earth began within
the last 10k years.

Yet another "liberal" response trying to change the facts.

On Wed, 4 Nov 2015 13:04:05 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:


Gosh...you've evolved into the defender of Obnoxious Trump and Know
Nothing Carson. Congrats.

Oh, and the Carson quote on evolutionary change demonstrates his belief
in the bible over his belief in evolution and evolutionary theory.
Carson is a "creationist," ergo, a believer in superstitious bull****.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyHDJgTYi1k

You have to be into irrational beliefs in the unprovable if you
believe Hillary on anything.
If she had not married Bill, she might be the GOP candidate.
She certainly fits the mold, Corporate lawyer, Walmart and Tyson foods
board member, self made millionaire by doing basically nothing. She
is just trump with tits.

On 11/4/2015 1:06 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 4 Nov 2015 12:31:17 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 11/4/15 12:27 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/4/2015 11:58 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/4/15 9:20 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/4/2015 8:15 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
...has a liberal bias...

So, is the mainstream media really left-wing, or even liberal, as those
on the right love to claim?

Tt should be noted that the real world tends to have a liberal bias
— at
least what Ted Cruz considers a liberal bias. Take climate change, for
example. The fact that the climate is warming because of human activity
is a completely uncontroversial notion; it is happening, and the vast
majority of scientists agree that it will be catastrophic for humanity
if nothing is done very soon. That the mainstream media does not
contest
the issue of climate change, or claim that it is some giant left-wing
conspiracy, does not prove it is liberal, but that it is operating in
reality. Cruz does not operate in reality, and believes climate change
(i.e. science) is a “religion.� But just because Cruz believes this, or
his deranged father, Rafael, believes that evolution is a communist
lie,
does not mean that evolutionary biologists are communists or that
climate scientists are religious fanatics — it means that Rafael Cruz
and his son are delusional.

http://tinyurl.com/nmqhdxk

- - -

Yup.



How and from what sources has the "real world" been convinced that
climate change is a result of human activity? Who has declared that
human activity being the cause is an "uncontroversial notion"?

Why, of course. Liberals and the liberal media.


Right, because nearly all the scientists who agree human activity is a
major contributor to global warming/climate chage are card-carrying
liberals, and, of course, nearly all scientists agree.

Gotta love rec.boats, the Ben Carson-approved usenet group.

Sheesh.


Man caused climate change is far from being a "uncontroversial notion".
There are many scientists who disagree or who acknowledge a human
influence but it is in the noise level on a signal to noise ratio when
compared to cyclic, natural causes.

Point is, nobody really knows for sure.



What's the percentage of scientists who believe humans are the cause of
global warming/change to scientists who don't believe humans are the
cause of global warming/change? 99.9% to 00.1%? There aren't many
non-believing scientists compared to believing scientists.

There are certainly not many willing to endanger their tenure and
their grants by saying it publicly. Most are silent on the subject.


Any honest scientist will admit that "proof" just doesn't exist ... at
least not yet. Lot's of compelling theories and statistics exist that
can support human caused global warming but there is still no definitive
proof that can be supported. That's how a otherwise uninfluenced
scientist approaches these issues.