On 11/4/15 1:11 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/4/2015 12:56 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/4/15 12:52 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 4 Nov 2015 11:58:49 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 11/4/15 11:33 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 4 Nov 2015 09:20:02 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/4/2015 8:15 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
...has a liberal bias...

So, is the mainstream media really left-wing, or even liberal, as
those
on the right love to claim?

Tt should be noted that the real world tends to have a liberal
bias — at
least what Ted Cruz considers a liberal bias. Take climate change,
for
example. The fact that the climate is warming because of human
activity
is a completely uncontroversial notion; it is happening, and the
vast
majority of scientists agree that it will be catastrophic for
humanity
if nothing is done very soon. That the mainstream media does not
contest
the issue of climate change, or claim that it is some giant
left-wing
conspiracy, does not prove it is liberal, but that it is
operating in
reality. Cruz does not operate in reality, and believes climate
change
(i.e. science) is a “religion.� But just because Cruz believes
this, or
his deranged father, Rafael, believes that evolution is a
communist lie,
does not mean that evolutionary biologists are communists or that
climate scientists are religious fanatics — it means that Rafael
Cruz
and his son are delusional.

http://tinyurl.com/nmqhdxk

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Yup.



How and from what sources has the "real world" been convinced that
climate change is a result of human activity? Who has declared that
human activity being the cause is an "uncontroversial notion"?

Why, of course. Liberals and the liberal media.

There is plenty of science that demonstrates that CO2 levels have
risen because of man but it seems to be the rise of agriculture as
much as anything else they have proven. This is an 8000 year trend and
tracks population as closely as any other metric.

Nuclear war will fix it but that may not be the way we want to go. ;-)



What's the libertarian approach? Do nothing?

Only do things that help. Snake oil like carbon credits and ethanol
don't help anything but the bottom line of the people who sell it.

We should be figuring what we are going to do in a warmer world, not
deluding ourselves that we can change it.
That is still far from the biggest danger we face. We have people like
you wringing their hands about global warming that may affect our
great grandchildren and ignoring the debt bubble that could crush the
world economy in a matter of weeks.
It certainly appears that the resulting nuclear war seems to be the
democratic plan for global warming.


Ahh, life in the libertarian bubble...don't do anything.


Greg didn't say that. You either need a refresher course in
understanding what you read ... or a beginner's course in intellectual
honesty.



"Only things that help" is not an answer, and neither is doing nothing
and hoping we can cope.

On 11/4/2015 1:16 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/4/15 1:11 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/4/2015 12:56 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/4/15 12:52 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 4 Nov 2015 11:58:49 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 11/4/15 11:33 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 4 Nov 2015 09:20:02 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/4/2015 8:15 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
...has a liberal bias...

So, is the mainstream media really left-wing, or even liberal, as
those
on the right love to claim?

Tt should be noted that the real world tends to have a liberal
bias — at
least what Ted Cruz considers a liberal bias. Take climate change,
for
example. The fact that the climate is warming because of human
activity
is a completely uncontroversial notion; it is happening, and the
vast
majority of scientists agree that it will be catastrophic for
humanity
if nothing is done very soon. That the mainstream media does not
contest
the issue of climate change, or claim that it is some giant
left-wing
conspiracy, does not prove it is liberal, but that it is
operating in
reality. Cruz does not operate in reality, and believes climate
change
(i.e. science) is a “religion.� But just because Cruz believes
this, or
his deranged father, Rafael, believes that evolution is a
communist lie,
does not mean that evolutionary biologists are communists or that
climate scientists are religious fanatics — it means that Rafael
Cruz
and his son are delusional.

http://tinyurl.com/nmqhdxk

- - -

Yup.



How and from what sources has the "real world" been convinced that
climate change is a result of human activity? Who has declared that
human activity being the cause is an "uncontroversial notion"?

Why, of course. Liberals and the liberal media.

There is plenty of science that demonstrates that CO2 levels have
risen because of man but it seems to be the rise of agriculture as
much as anything else they have proven. This is an 8000 year trend
and
tracks population as closely as any other metric.

Nuclear war will fix it but that may not be the way we want to go.
;-)



What's the libertarian approach? Do nothing?

Only do things that help. Snake oil like carbon credits and ethanol
don't help anything but the bottom line of the people who sell it.

We should be figuring what we are going to do in a warmer world, not
deluding ourselves that we can change it.
That is still far from the biggest danger we face. We have people like
you wringing their hands about global warming that may affect our
great grandchildren and ignoring the debt bubble that could crush the
world economy in a matter of weeks.
It certainly appears that the resulting nuclear war seems to be the
democratic plan for global warming.


Ahh, life in the libertarian bubble...don't do anything.


Greg didn't say that. You either need a refresher course in
understanding what you read ... or a beginner's course in intellectual
honesty.



"Only things that help" is not an answer, and neither is doing nothing
and hoping we can cope.





You ignored:

"We should be figuring what we are going to do in a warmer world, not
deluding ourselves that we can change it."

On Wed, 4 Nov 2015 13:16:19 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:


"Only things that help" is not an answer, and neither is doing nothing
and hoping we can cope.


So you are saying that doing feel good things that don't help, no
matter at what expense, is the answer?

An excellent example is the alternate energy scams. There are valid
reasons to use solar energy I have some collectors here but it should
not simply be because you can extract generous payments from unwilling
tax payers. No I did not take a dime from the government.
I still doubt it will make a damned bit of difference in climate
change.