On Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 5:28:51 PM UTC-6, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/8/2015 5:50 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/8/15 4:55 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/8/2015 4:44 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/8/2015 4:02 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 7 Nov 2015 02:12:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/6/2015 5:40 PM, Califbill wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Fri, 6 Nov 2015 10:45:25 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Friday, November 6, 2015 at 1:18:49 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Outed regarding his claimed appointment to West Point.
That's the end of his political ambitions, assuming he
ever had any.

He's mis-remembering something that happened 46 years ago, and/or
using
sloppy language to describer it. From what I've read, it's likely
that
he did meet General Westmoreland, and they did discuss West Point.

On Sun, 8 Nov 2015 17:50:53 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

This is a fun discussion here, considering that Carson is loonytunes.

That is a more rational thing than this bull**** about whether anyone
ever told him "Hey I bet a bright black kid like you could get into
West Point" in 68-69.
The one that is even sillier is saying they don't think he was
thuggish enough when he was a kid.

On 11/8/2015 10:22 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 8 Nov 2015 17:50:53 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

This is a fun discussion here, considering that Carson is loonytunes.

That is a more rational thing than this bull**** about whether anyone
ever told him "Hey I bet a bright black kid like you could get into
West Point" in 68-69.
The one that is even sillier is saying they don't think he was
thuggish enough when he was a kid.


In 1968-1969 there was an active program to appoint more minorities into
the academies and other officer programs. In fact, there was
a quota that had to be met.

On Sun, 8 Nov 2015 22:30:12 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/8/2015 10:22 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 8 Nov 2015 17:50:53 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

This is a fun discussion here, considering that Carson is loonytunes.

That is a more rational thing than this bull**** about whether anyone
ever told him "Hey I bet a bright black kid like you could get into
West Point" in 68-69.
The one that is even sillier is saying they don't think he was
thuggish enough when he was a kid.


In 1968-1969 there was an active program to appoint more minorities into
the academies and other officer programs. In fact, there was
a quota that had to be met.


That was where I was going but thanks for confirming the dates. IBM
was doing the same thing.
Harry is right that this guy is not really the one we want in the
white house but it is not because of these side show issues.

I still say that when the dust settles, the candidate will be an old
school guy like Jeb or even Kasich. I think the GOP will make Marco
wait his turn. He does seem a bit more polished than that guy stealing
a drink that he thought nobody would notice at the SOU response.

On 11/8/15 8:48 PM, Tim wrote:
On Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 5:28:51 PM UTC-6, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/8/2015 5:50 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/8/15 4:55 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/8/2015 4:44 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/8/2015 4:02 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 7 Nov 2015 02:12:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/6/2015 5:40 PM, Califbill wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Fri, 6 Nov 2015 10:45:25 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Friday, November 6, 2015 at 1:18:49 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Outed regarding his claimed appointment to West Point.
That's the end of his political ambitions, assuming he
ever had any.

He's mis-remembering something that happened 46 years ago, and/or
using
sloppy language to describer it. From what I've read, it's likely
that
he did meet General Westmoreland, and they did discuss West Point.
Carson never applied, so the appointment was never granted.
Perhaps he
had the impression that it was a given?

Almost as bad as claiming to have flown into Bosnia under
heavy sniper fire.

But that didn't end that particular career, did it?

If Westmoreland said he could get Carson into West Point, then
Carson could have
gotten into West Point. Carson probably didn't know at the time
that there is no such
thing as a 'full paid scholarship' to West Point, but I can imagine
Westmoreland
using such a term. Cadets do not pay to attend USMA, but are, in
fact, paid a salary
while there. They do incur a five year obligation to the military
(at least it was
five years when I was in the military).

It's very easy to be confused about entrance requirements to USMA.
As a young PFC, my
lieutenant urged me to apply, which I did. I went before a board of
the company
officers, a board of battalion officers, and then went to the board
at the brigade
level. When I walked in the personnel staff NCO at the brigade HQ
happened to look at
my hand. He then looked up and said, "Are you married?" No one had
asked that
question or noticed the ring. When I told him I was, he was
shocked. Of course he
cancelled that board and let the full colonel presiding know about
the boo-boo.

Was I offered a scholarship? No. But I was told by several officers
that I could get
into the academy.

**** happens.

Now some liberal can make a lot of hay from my story, just as they
are Ben Carson's
story.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

Different ways of getting to military academy. I was a 2nd
alternate for
my congressman. He had come competitive exams for his
appointments. I
would have had to have both the primary and the 1st alternate fail
somehow
to have got the appointment.



The problem with Carson's story is that all references to Westmoreland
being involved have now disappeared from his account of what happened.
In a book he claims it was Westmoreland who said he could get a
"scholarship". His most recent story (last night) was that he can't
remember who the people were who offered him the scholarship.

I was offered a scholarship to the University of Kansas, if I would
major in a
'music' field. I have no idea who the people were who offered me the
scholarship. I
didn't take it because I wasn't interested in a music major. I was 17
at the time.

Maybe he never met Westmoreland. But then again, if he was a 17 year
old whiz kid
ROTC student, I would have no problem believing someone told him he
could get him an
appointment at the academy.

Carson described Westmoreland's offer as a "scholarship". I'll give
him a pass on that and cock it off as semantics ... especially given the
fact that Carson didn't accept the offer ... wherever it came from.




heh. "chock"


This is a fun discussion here, considering that Carson is loonytunes.


In his 1990 autobiography, "Gifted Hands: The Ben Carson Story," he
claims that as a youth he:

He tried to hit his mother with a hammer.
He hit someone with a lock, gashing the person's forehead.
Hit someone with a rock, breaking the person's glasses and causing injury.
Tried to stab "a friend" in the stomach with a knife.

When recently challenged about these accounts, he said they are
absolutely true. He claims he suffered from an uncontrollable
"pathological temper."

So far, nobody has come forward to substantiate his claims.

WTF?

But has anyone stepped up to discount the claims?



Crikey, the fog is . . . thick.

On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 6:44:26 AM UTC-6, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/8/15 8:48 PM, Tim wrote:
On Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 5:28:51 PM UTC-6, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/8/2015 5:50 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/8/15 4:55 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/8/2015 4:44 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/8/2015 4:02 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 7 Nov 2015 02:12:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/6/2015 5:40 PM, Califbill wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Fri, 6 Nov 2015 10:45:25 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Friday, November 6, 2015 at 1:18:49 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Outed regarding his claimed appointment to West Point.
That's the end of his political ambitions, assuming he
ever had any.

He's mis-remembering something that happened 46 years ago, and/or
using
sloppy language to describer it. From what I've read, it's likely
that
he did meet General Westmoreland, and they did discuss West Point.
Carson never applied, so the appointment was never granted.
Perhaps he
had the impression that it was a given?

Almost as bad as claiming to have flown into Bosnia under
heavy sniper fire.

But that didn't end that particular career, did it?

If Westmoreland said he could get Carson into West Point, then
Carson could have
gotten into West Point. Carson probably didn't know at the time
that there is no such
thing as a 'full paid scholarship' to West Point, but I can imagine
Westmoreland
using such a term. Cadets do not pay to attend USMA, but are, in
fact, paid a salary
while there. They do incur a five year obligation to the military
(at least it was
five years when I was in the military).

It's very easy to be confused about entrance requirements to USMA.
As a young PFC, my
lieutenant urged me to apply, which I did. I went before a board of
the company
officers, a board of battalion officers, and then went to the board
at the brigade
level. When I walked in the personnel staff NCO at the brigade HQ
happened to look at
my hand. He then looked up and said, "Are you married?" No one had
asked that
question or noticed the ring. When I told him I was, he was
shocked. Of course he
cancelled that board and let the full colonel presiding know about
the boo-boo.

Was I offered a scholarship? No. But I was told by several officers
that I could get
into the academy.

**** happens.

Now some liberal can make a lot of hay from my story, just as they
are Ben Carson's
story.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

Different ways of getting to military academy. I was a 2nd
alternate for
my congressman. He had come competitive exams for his
appointments. I
would have had to have both the primary and the 1st alternate fail
somehow
to have got the appointment.



The problem with Carson's story is that all references to Westmoreland
being involved have now disappeared from his account of what happened.
In a book he claims it was Westmoreland who said he could get a
"scholarship". His most recent story (last night) was that he can't
remember who the people were who offered him the scholarship.

I was offered a scholarship to the University of Kansas, if I would
major in a
'music' field. I have no idea who the people were who offered me the
scholarship. I
didn't take it because I wasn't interested in a music major. I was 17
at the time.

Maybe he never met Westmoreland. But then again, if he was a 17 year
old whiz kid
ROTC student, I would have no problem believing someone told him he
could get him an
appointment at the academy.

Carson described Westmoreland's offer as a "scholarship". I'll give
him a pass on that and cock it off as semantics ... especially given the
fact that Carson didn't accept the offer ... wherever it came from.




heh. "chock"


This is a fun discussion here, considering that Carson is loonytunes.


In his 1990 autobiography, "Gifted Hands: The Ben Carson Story," he
claims that as a youth he:

He tried to hit his mother with a hammer.
He hit someone with a lock, gashing the person's forehead.
Hit someone with a rock, breaking the person's glasses and causing injury.
Tried to stab "a friend" in the stomach with a knife.

When recently challenged about these accounts, he said they are
absolutely true. He claims he suffered from an uncontrollable
"pathological temper."

So far, nobody has come forward to substantiate his claims.

WTF?

But has anyone stepped up to discount the claims?



Crikey, the fog is . . . thick.

Well, stay inside. You dont have anywhere to go anyhow....

On Mon, 9 Nov 2015 06:10:12 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 6:44:26 AM UTC-6, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/8/15 8:48 PM, Tim wrote:
On Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 5:28:51 PM UTC-6, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/8/2015 5:50 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/8/15 4:55 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/8/2015 4:44 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/8/2015 4:02 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 7 Nov 2015 02:12:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/6/2015 5:40 PM, Califbill wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Fri, 6 Nov 2015 10:45:25 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Friday, November 6, 2015 at 1:18:49 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Outed regarding his claimed appointment to West Point.
That's the end of his political ambitions, assuming he
ever had any.

He's mis-remembering something that happened 46 years ago, and/or
using
sloppy language to describer it. From what I've read, it's likely
that
he did meet General Westmoreland, and they did discuss West Point.
Carson never applied, so the appointment was never granted.
Perhaps he
had the impression that it was a given?

Almost as bad as claiming to have flown into Bosnia under
heavy sniper fire.

But that didn't end that particular career, did it?

If Westmoreland said he could get Carson into West Point, then
Carson could have
gotten into West Point. Carson probably didn't know at the time
that there is no such
thing as a 'full paid scholarship' to West Point, but I can imagine
Westmoreland
using such a term. Cadets do not pay to attend USMA, but are, in
fact, paid a salary
while there. They do incur a five year obligation to the military
(at least it was
five years when I was in the military).

It's very easy to be confused about entrance requirements to USMA.
As a young PFC, my
lieutenant urged me to apply, which I did. I went before a board of
the company
officers, a board of battalion officers, and then went to the board
at the brigade
level. When I walked in the personnel staff NCO at the brigade HQ
happened to look at
my hand. He then looked up and said, "Are you married?" No one had
asked that
question or noticed the ring. When I told him I was, he was
shocked. Of course he
cancelled that board and let the full colonel presiding know about
the boo-boo.

Was I offered a scholarship? No. But I was told by several officers
that I could get
into the academy.

**** happens.

Now some liberal can make a lot of hay from my story, just as they
are Ben Carson's
story.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

Different ways of getting to military academy. I was a 2nd
alternate for
my congressman. He had come competitive exams for his
appointments. I
would have had to have both the primary and the 1st alternate fail
somehow
to have got the appointment.



The problem with Carson's story is that all references to Westmoreland
being involved have now disappeared from his account of what happened.
In a book he claims it was Westmoreland who said he could get a
"scholarship". His most recent story (last night) was that he can't
remember who the people were who offered him the scholarship.

I was offered a scholarship to the University of Kansas, if I would
major in a
'music' field. I have no idea who the people were who offered me the
scholarship. I
didn't take it because I wasn't interested in a music major. I was 17
at the time.

Maybe he never met Westmoreland. But then again, if he was a 17 year
old whiz kid
ROTC student, I would have no problem believing someone told him he
could get him an
appointment at the academy.

Carson described Westmoreland's offer as a "scholarship". I'll give
him a pass on that and cock it off as semantics ... especially given the
fact that Carson didn't accept the offer ... wherever it came from.




heh. "chock"


This is a fun discussion here, considering that Carson is loonytunes.


In his 1990 autobiography, "Gifted Hands: The Ben Carson Story," he
claims that as a youth he:

He tried to hit his mother with a hammer.
He hit someone with a lock, gashing the person's forehead.
Hit someone with a rock, breaking the person's glasses and causing injury.
Tried to stab "a friend" in the stomach with a knife.

When recently challenged about these accounts, he said they are
absolutely true. He claims he suffered from an uncontrollable
"pathological temper."

So far, nobody has come forward to substantiate his claims.

WTF?

But has anyone stepped up to discount the claims?



Crikey, the fog is . . . thick.

Well, stay inside. You dont have anywhere to go anyhow....

Hee, hee!
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 9 Nov 2015 06:10:12 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 6:44:26 AM UTC-6, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/8/15 8:48 PM, Tim wrote:
On Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 5:28:51 PM UTC-6, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/8/2015 5:50 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/8/15 4:55 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/8/2015 4:44 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/8/2015 4:02 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 7 Nov 2015 02:12:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/6/2015 5:40 PM, Califbill wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Fri, 6 Nov 2015 10:45:25 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Friday, November 6, 2015 at 1:18:49 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Outed regarding his claimed appointment to West Point.
That's the end of his political ambitions, assuming he
ever had any.

He's mis-remembering something that happened 46 years ago, and/or
using
sloppy language to describer it. From what I've read, it's likely
that
he did meet General Westmoreland, and they did discuss West Point.
Carson never applied, so the appointment was never granted.
Perhaps he
had the impression that it was a given?

Almost as bad as claiming to have flown into Bosnia under
heavy sniper fire.

But that didn't end that particular career, did it?

If Westmoreland said he could get Carson into West Point, then
Carson could have
gotten into West Point. Carson probably didn't know at the time
that there is no such
thing as a 'full paid scholarship' to West Point, but I can imagine
Westmoreland
using such a term. Cadets do not pay to attend USMA, but are, in
fact, paid a salary
while there. They do incur a five year obligation to the military
(at least it was
five years when I was in the military).

It's very easy to be confused about entrance requirements to USMA.
As a young PFC, my
lieutenant urged me to apply, which I did. I went before a board of
the company
officers, a board of battalion officers, and then went to the board
at the brigade
level. When I walked in the personnel staff NCO at the brigade HQ
happened to look at
my hand. He then looked up and said, "Are you married?" No one had
asked that
question or noticed the ring. When I told him I was, he was
shocked. Of course he
cancelled that board and let the full colonel presiding know about
the boo-boo.

Was I offered a scholarship? No. But I was told by several officers
that I could get
into the academy.

**** happens.

Now some liberal can make a lot of hay from my story, just as they
are Ben Carson's
story.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

Different ways of getting to military academy. I was a 2nd
alternate for
my congressman. He had come competitive exams for his
appointments. I
would have had to have both the primary and the 1st alternate fail
somehow
to have got the appointment.



The problem with Carson's story is that all references to Westmoreland
being involved have now disappeared from his account of what happened.
In a book he claims it was Westmoreland who said he could get a
"scholarship". His most recent story (last night) was that he can't
remember who the people were who offered him the scholarship.

I was offered a scholarship to the University of Kansas, if I would
major in a
'music' field. I have no idea who the people were who offered me the
scholarship. I
didn't take it because I wasn't interested in a music major. I was 17
at the time.

Maybe he never met Westmoreland. But then again, if he was a 17 year
old whiz kid
ROTC student, I would have no problem believing someone told him he
could get him an
appointment at the academy.

Carson described Westmoreland's offer as a "scholarship". I'll give
him a pass on that and cock it off as semantics ... especially given the
fact that Carson didn't accept the offer ... wherever it came from.




heh. "chock"


This is a fun discussion here, considering that Carson is loonytunes.


In his 1990 autobiography, "Gifted Hands: The Ben Carson Story," he
claims that as a youth he:

He tried to hit his mother with a hammer.
He hit someone with a lock, gashing the person's forehead.
Hit someone with a rock, breaking the person's glasses and causing injury.
Tried to stab "a friend" in the stomach with a knife.

When recently challenged about these accounts, he said they are
absolutely true. He claims he suffered from an uncontrollable
"pathological temper."

So far, nobody has come forward to substantiate his claims.

WTF?

But has anyone stepped up to discount the claims?



Crikey, the fog is . . . thick.

Well, stay inside. You dont have anywhere to go anyhow....

Hee, hee!
--

Ban idiots, not guns!


Wow. The dim and wit brothers.

--
Sent from my iPhone 6+

On 11/9/15 9:10 AM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 6:44:26 AM UTC-6, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/8/15 8:48 PM, Tim wrote:
On Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 5:28:51 PM UTC-6, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/8/2015 5:50 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/8/15 4:55 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/8/2015 4:44 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/8/2015 4:02 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 7 Nov 2015 02:12:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/6/2015 5:40 PM, Califbill wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Fri, 6 Nov 2015 10:45:25 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Friday, November 6, 2015 at 1:18:49 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Outed regarding his claimed appointment to West Point.
That's the end of his political ambitions, assuming he
ever had any.

He's mis-remembering something that happened 46 years ago, and/or
using
sloppy language to describer it. From what I've read, it's likely
that
he did meet General Westmoreland, and they did discuss West Point.
Carson never applied, so the appointment was never granted.
Perhaps he
had the impression that it was a given?

Almost as bad as claiming to have flown into Bosnia under
heavy sniper fire.

But that didn't end that particular career, did it?

If Westmoreland said he could get Carson into West Point, then
Carson could have
gotten into West Point. Carson probably didn't know at the time
that there is no such
thing as a 'full paid scholarship' to West Point, but I can imagine
Westmoreland
using such a term. Cadets do not pay to attend USMA, but are, in
fact, paid a salary
while there. They do incur a five year obligation to the military
(at least it was
five years when I was in the military).

It's very easy to be confused about entrance requirements to USMA.
As a young PFC, my
lieutenant urged me to apply, which I did. I went before a board of
the company
officers, a board of battalion officers, and then went to the board
at the brigade
level. When I walked in the personnel staff NCO at the brigade HQ
happened to look at
my hand. He then looked up and said, "Are you married?" No one had
asked that
question or noticed the ring. When I told him I was, he was
shocked. Of course he
cancelled that board and let the full colonel presiding know about
the boo-boo.

Was I offered a scholarship? No. But I was told by several officers
that I could get
into the academy.

**** happens.

Now some liberal can make a lot of hay from my story, just as they
are Ben Carson's
story.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

Different ways of getting to military academy. I was a 2nd
alternate for
my congressman. He had come competitive exams for his
appointments. I
would have had to have both the primary and the 1st alternate fail
somehow
to have got the appointment.



The problem with Carson's story is that all references to Westmoreland
being involved have now disappeared from his account of what happened.
In a book he claims it was Westmoreland who said he could get a
"scholarship". His most recent story (last night) was that he can't
remember who the people were who offered him the scholarship.

I was offered a scholarship to the University of Kansas, if I would
major in a
'music' field. I have no idea who the people were who offered me the
scholarship. I
didn't take it because I wasn't interested in a music major. I was 17
at the time.

Maybe he never met Westmoreland. But then again, if he was a 17 year
old whiz kid
ROTC student, I would have no problem believing someone told him he
could get him an
appointment at the academy.

Carson described Westmoreland's offer as a "scholarship". I'll give
him a pass on that and cock it off as semantics ... especially given the
fact that Carson didn't accept the offer ... wherever it came from.




heh. "chock"


This is a fun discussion here, considering that Carson is loonytunes.


In his 1990 autobiography, "Gifted Hands: The Ben Carson Story," he
claims that as a youth he:

He tried to hit his mother with a hammer.
He hit someone with a lock, gashing the person's forehead.
Hit someone with a rock, breaking the person's glasses and causing injury.
Tried to stab "a friend" in the stomach with a knife.

When recently challenged about these accounts, he said they are
absolutely true. He claims he suffered from an uncontrollable
"pathological temper."

So far, nobody has come forward to substantiate his claims.

WTF?

But has anyone stepped up to discount the claims?



Crikey, the fog is . . . thick.

Well, stay inside. You dont have anywhere to go anyhow....



D'oh. I was referring to the fog between your ears. But, to your
strained point, we don't live in ****ville, Illinois, and don't have to
travel far to be somewhere.

On 11/9/2015 10:50 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/9/15 9:10 AM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 6:44:26 AM UTC-6, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/8/15 8:48 PM, Tim wrote:
On Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 5:28:51 PM UTC-6, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/8/2015 5:50 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/8/15 4:55 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/8/2015 4:44 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/8/2015 4:02 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 7 Nov 2015 02:12:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"

wrote:

On 11/6/2015 5:40 PM, Califbill wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Fri, 6 Nov 2015 10:45:25 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Friday, November 6, 2015 at 1:18:49 PM UTC-5, Mr.
Luddite wrote:
Outed regarding his claimed appointment to West Point.
That's the end of his political ambitions, assuming he
ever had any.

He's mis-remembering something that happened 46 years ago,
and/or
using
sloppy language to describer it. From what I've read, it's
likely
that
he did meet General Westmoreland, and they did discuss West
Point.
Carson never applied, so the appointment was never granted.
Perhaps he
had the impression that it was a given?

Almost as bad as claiming to have flown into Bosnia under
heavy sniper fire.

But that didn't end that particular career, did it?

If Westmoreland said he could get Carson into West Point, then
Carson could have
gotten into West Point. Carson probably didn't know at the time
that there is no such
thing as a 'full paid scholarship' to West Point, but I can
imagine
Westmoreland
using such a term. Cadets do not pay to attend USMA, but
are, in
fact, paid a salary
while there. They do incur a five year obligation to the
military
(at least it was
five years when I was in the military).

It's very easy to be confused about entrance requirements to
USMA.
As a young PFC, my
lieutenant urged me to apply, which I did. I went before a
board of
the company
officers, a board of battalion officers, and then went to
the board
at the brigade
level. When I walked in the personnel staff NCO at the
brigade HQ
happened to look at
my hand. He then looked up and said, "Are you married?" No
one had
asked that
question or noticed the ring. When I told him I was, he was
shocked. Of course he
cancelled that board and let the full colonel presiding know
about
the boo-boo.

Was I offered a scholarship? No. But I was told by several
officers
that I could get
into the academy.

**** happens.

Now some liberal can make a lot of hay from my story, just
as they
are Ben Carson's
story.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

Different ways of getting to military academy. I was a 2nd
alternate for
my congressman. He had come competitive exams for his
appointments. I
would have had to have both the primary and the 1st alternate
fail
somehow
to have got the appointment.



The problem with Carson's story is that all references to
Westmoreland
being involved have now disappeared from his account of what
happened.
In a book he claims it was Westmoreland who said he could get a
"scholarship". His most recent story (last night) was that
he can't
remember who the people were who offered him the scholarship.

I was offered a scholarship to the University of Kansas, if I
would
major in a
'music' field. I have no idea who the people were who offered
me the
scholarship. I
didn't take it because I wasn't interested in a music major. I
was 17
at the time.

Maybe he never met Westmoreland. But then again, if he was a 17
year
old whiz kid
ROTC student, I would have no problem believing someone told
him he
could get him an
appointment at the academy.

Carson described Westmoreland's offer as a "scholarship". I'll
give
him a pass on that and cock it off as semantics ... especially
given the
fact that Carson didn't accept the offer ... wherever it came from.




heh. "chock"


This is a fun discussion here, considering that Carson is loonytunes.


In his 1990 autobiography, "Gifted Hands: The Ben Carson Story," he
claims that as a youth he:

He tried to hit his mother with a hammer.
He hit someone with a lock, gashing the person's forehead.
Hit someone with a rock, breaking the person's glasses and causing
injury.
Tried to stab "a friend" in the stomach with a knife.

When recently challenged about these accounts, he said they are
absolutely true. He claims he suffered from an uncontrollable
"pathological temper."

So far, nobody has come forward to substantiate his claims.

WTF?

But has anyone stepped up to discount the claims?



Crikey, the fog is . . . thick.

Well, stay inside. You dont have anywhere to go anyhow....



D'oh. I was referring to the fog between your ears. But, to your
strained point, we don't live in ****ville, Illinois, and don't have to
travel far to be somewhere.

So you admit you have to travel some to be somewhere.

Here's a dressing down you've been needing for some time now.

Tim is one of the nicest most reasonable folks here. Your assholeish
remark to him was unwarrented but oh so typical of your best behavior.
Go **** yourself Harry Krause residing in the ******** of Rosedale
Lane. As evidenced by some of the photos you posted of your residence.