On 11/11/2015 10:52 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/11/15 10:47 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/11/2015 10:30 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/11/15 9:25 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/11/2015 7:16 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/10/15 11:48 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 17:24:32 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

- show quoted text -
I watched a bit of the so-called "undercard." Bobby Jindal is an
ass.
.....

I'm watching "Iwo Jima: From Combat to Comrades"

Very fitting for today

We hung out by the pool, with the tunes. If there was anything
interesting, it will be all over the TV for a week.


You didn't miss much. Carson flip-flopped on increasing the minimum
wage. Bush woke up for a few minutes. Cruz said he had five federal
agencies he wanted to close but couldn't name them. Not sure what Paul
said, so it wasn't memorable. Rubio wants more military so we can
fight
more wars. Fiorina's mouth moved. Kasich tried too hard. Trump
wants to
round up 11 million "aliens" and bus them to Auschwitz. That's about
it.
Oh, they all had budget and deficit busting plans to lower taxes for
the
rich.


Trump again proved to be the "alpha" of the group. Bush tried to
interrupt him and Trump shut him down quickly. Trump also played
the role of debate moderator at times, telling the Fox moderators who
they should let talk. Got a kick out of that.

The Fox Business and WSJ moderators did a halfway decent job keeping
the discussions on topic. Kasich made an ass of himself ...
probably in
desperation.

It was worth searching for the channel and watching.



I was only able to watch a few minutes at a time because of channel
flipping to a cable movie I thought more interesting.

None of them impressed me, and it wasn't because we are diametrically
opposed on most, if not all, the issues. I cannot figure out why Carson
is so popular, because he really seems to know next to nothing about
most of the issues. I was hoping for more from Kasich.


I think Kasich knows his days are numbered and he made a last ditch
effort to score some poll points. Instead, he made an obnoxious ass of
himself.

Actually, Chris Cristie did a good job in the kiddy debate earlier.
Mike Barnicle commented on him this morning on "Morning Joe". He
listened to the kiddy debate on the radio while driving to NH and
compared it to the Nixon/Kennedy debates when those who listened on the
radio felt Nixon won whereas those who saw it televised felt Kennedy won.



I don't see how any of them can hold a candle to Hillary, Bernie, or
Martin, in terms of grasp of the issues, ability to explain their
positions, or understanding of how government works. Trump is just too
bombastic, Carson is sleepier than Bush, Cruz and Paul are nuts, I agree
with your comment about Kasich, Rubio is a neo-con war monger, and if
Fiorina is hoping for a VEEP nod, she's the longest of long shots.



Don't fall over but I actually like and respect Bernie. I think he's
the most honest of all who are seeking their respective nominations and
his passion for what he holds as beliefs is evident. Not sure I could
vote for him, but if I *had* to choose between him and Hillary, I'd
seriously consider it.

On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 09:25:48 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 11/11/2015 7:16 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/10/15 11:48 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 17:24:32 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

- show quoted text -
I watched a bit of the so-called "undercard." Bobby Jindal is an ass.
.....

I'm watching "Iwo Jima: From Combat to Comrades"

Very fitting for today

We hung out by the pool, with the tunes. If there was anything
interesting, it will be all over the TV for a week.


You didn't miss much. Carson flip-flopped on increasing the minimum
wage. Bush woke up for a few minutes. Cruz said he had five federal
agencies he wanted to close but couldn't name them. Not sure what Paul
said, so it wasn't memorable. Rubio wants more military so we can fight
more wars. Fiorina's mouth moved. Kasich tried too hard. Trump wants to
round up 11 million "aliens" and bus them to Auschwitz. That's about it.
Oh, they all had budget and deficit busting plans to lower taxes for the
rich.


Trump again proved to be the "alpha" of the group. Bush tried to
interrupt him and Trump shut him down quickly. Trump also played
the role of debate moderator at times, telling the Fox moderators who
they should let talk. Got a kick out of that.

The Fox Business and WSJ moderators did a halfway decent job keeping
the discussions on topic. Kasich made an ass of himself ... probably in
desperation.

It was worth searching for the channel and watching.


Told ya.
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Ban idiots, not guns!

On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 11:05:25 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Don't fall over but I actually like and respect Bernie. I think he's
the most honest of all who are seeking their respective nominations and
his passion for what he holds as beliefs is evident. Not sure I could
vote for him, but if I *had* to choose between him and Hillary, I'd
seriously consider it.


If Bernie could actually explain how he is going to pay for the
programs I could support him. I agree with him on a lot of issues and
he does seem to be his own man.
It is telling that he managed to rack up $65,000 worth of credit card
debt. I am not sure I want him making decisions on my finances as a
tax payer.

On 11/11/15 1:32 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 11:05:25 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Don't fall over but I actually like and respect Bernie. I think he's
the most honest of all who are seeking their respective nominations and
his passion for what he holds as beliefs is evident. Not sure I could
vote for him, but if I *had* to choose between him and Hillary, I'd
seriously consider it.


If Bernie could actually explain how he is going to pay for the
programs I could support him. I agree with him on a lot of issues and
he does seem to be his own man.
It is telling that he managed to rack up $65,000 worth of credit card
debt. I am not sure I want him making decisions on my finances as a
tax payer.



Bernie has a web page with brief but interesting discussion of issues
and his positions...

https://berniesanders.com/issues/


I'm getting to the point that I simply cannot stand to watch Trump. Of
course, I disagree with his positions on many issues, but that's not
*the* issue with me. He's just so completely obnoxious, over the top,
bombastic, detail-less, and hate-filled. I suppose that's what makes him
so popular.

Carson puts me to sleep. Talk about low energy...good grief.

On 11/11/2015 1:43 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/11/15 1:32 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 11:05:25 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Don't fall over but I actually like and respect Bernie. I think he's
the most honest of all who are seeking their respective nominations and
his passion for what he holds as beliefs is evident. Not sure I could
vote for him, but if I *had* to choose between him and Hillary, I'd
seriously consider it.


If Bernie could actually explain how he is going to pay for the
programs I could support him. I agree with him on a lot of issues and
he does seem to be his own man.
It is telling that he managed to rack up $65,000 worth of credit card
debt. I am not sure I want him making decisions on my finances as a
tax payer.



Bernie has a web page with brief but interesting discussion of issues
and his positions...

https://berniesanders.com/issues/


I'm getting to the point that I simply cannot stand to watch Trump. Of
course, I disagree with his positions on many issues, but that's not
*the* issue with me. He's just so completely obnoxious, over the top,
bombastic, detail-less, and hate-filled. I suppose that's what makes him
so popular.

We know exactly how you feel but it's not about Trump.

On 11/11/2015 6:16 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/10/15 11:48 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 17:24:32 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

- show quoted text -
I watched a bit of the so-called "undercard." Bobby Jindal is an ass.
.....

I'm watching "Iwo Jima: From Combat to Comrades"

Very fitting for today

We hung out by the pool, with the tunes. If there was anything
interesting, it will be all over the TV for a week.


You didn't miss much. Carson flip-flopped on increasing the minimum
wage. Bush woke up for a few minutes. Cruz said he had five federal
agencies he wanted to close but couldn't name them. Not sure what Paul
said, so it wasn't memorable. Rubio wants more military so we can fight
more wars. Fiorina's mouth moved. Kasich tried too hard. Trump wants to
round up 11 million "aliens" and bus them to Auschwitz. That's about it.


Gee, what a surprise analysis by Foad.
If I have it right, you think we need more illegal aliens, the economy
is fine, there are plenty of jobs available, spending levels need to be
higher, the $19 trillion dept needs to be bigger, the IRS needs more
pages of regulations, government should take more from the workers in
taxes, we need more regulations on people and businesses, a terrorist
attack here and there is fine, no need to increase military spending,
we don't need to repatriate overseas earnings, we need to tax it, no
need to try and improve our trade, currency manipulation is not real.

Oh, they all had budget and deficit busting plans to lower taxes for the
rich.


The rich are who pay the taxes, the top 10% pay almost 68% of taxes, the
bottom 50% only paid 3% of the taxes. (2011)
Have you analyzed your federal tax bill?
I only pay 2% to 3% in federal taxes.
Figure $80K of income, two SEP's $7,500, an HSA $7,650, $12,400 standard
deduction, deduction for 1/2 of FICA paid, about $6,000,
3 dependent deductions at $3,900 ea. this totals $52,750.
If you subtract $52750 from $80,000 you have $27,250 of taxable
income. Tax table says tax due of $3181, however with a college tuition
tax credit of $1,351, that leaves $1,830 of federal taxes due.
1830 / 80,000 = 2.3% tax rate on $80,000.
I probably missed some deductions, this was off the top of my head.
I don't feel I need a lower tax rate, give it to the guy paying $100,000
tax bill.
What is your Federal tax percentage? Do you really need a tax cut?
Mikek

Mikek

On 11/11/2015 8:25 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/11/2015 7:16 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/10/15 11:48 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 17:24:32 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

- show quoted text -
I watched a bit of the so-called "undercard." Bobby Jindal is an ass.
.....

I'm watching "Iwo Jima: From Combat to Comrades"

Very fitting for today

We hung out by the pool, with the tunes. If there was anything
interesting, it will be all over the TV for a week.


You didn't miss much. Carson flip-flopped on increasing the minimum
wage. Bush woke up for a few minutes. Cruz said he had five federal
agencies he wanted to close but couldn't name them. Not sure what Paul
said, so it wasn't memorable. Rubio wants more military so we can fight
more wars. Fiorina's mouth moved. Kasich tried too hard. Trump wants to
round up 11 million "aliens" and bus them to Auschwitz. That's about it.
Oh, they all had budget and deficit busting plans to lower taxes for the
rich.


Trump again proved to be the "alpha" of the group. Bush tried to
interrupt him and Trump shut him down quickly. Trump also played
the role of debate moderator at times, telling the Fox moderators who
they should let talk. Got a kick out of that.

The Fox Business and WSJ moderators did a halfway decent job keeping
the discussions on topic. Kasich made an ass of himself ... probably in
desperation.

It was worth searching for the channel and watching.


I don't have Fox Business on my cable tier,
I had to stream it from my computer to my TV.
I wonder what percentage of the US, had cable access?
I thought it would have been simulcast on Fox or Foxnews.
Mikek

On Tuesday, November 10, 2015 at 8:00:21 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote:

I watched a bit of the so-called "undercard." Bobby Jindal is an ass.

So are you, krause.

On 11/11/15 2:41 PM, amdx wrote:
On 11/11/2015 6:16 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/10/15 11:48 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 17:24:32 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

- show quoted text -
I watched a bit of the so-called "undercard." Bobby Jindal is an ass.
.....

I'm watching "Iwo Jima: From Combat to Comrades"

Very fitting for today

We hung out by the pool, with the tunes. If there was anything
interesting, it will be all over the TV for a week.


You didn't miss much. Carson flip-flopped on increasing the minimum
wage. Bush woke up for a few minutes. Cruz said he had five federal
agencies he wanted to close but couldn't name them. Not sure what Paul
said, so it wasn't memorable. Rubio wants more military so we can fight
more wars. Fiorina's mouth moved. Kasich tried too hard. Trump wants to
round up 11 million "aliens" and bus them to Auschwitz. That's about it.


Gee, what a surprise analysis by Foad.
If I have it right, you think we need more illegal aliens, the economy
is fine, there are plenty of jobs available, spending levels need to be
higher, the $19 trillion dept needs to be bigger, the IRS needs more
pages of regulations, government should take more from the workers in
taxes, we need more regulations on people and businesses, a terrorist
attack here and there is fine, no need to increase military spending,
we don't need to repatriate overseas earnings, we need to tax it, no
need to try and improve our trade, currency manipulation is not real.

Whatever *you* think the issues are, the GOPer candidates don't have the
answers/solutions. What they have are little chunks of red meat they
toss out to their base voters who, like you, think they've heard
something to make them start to salivate.

On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 16:27:05 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

If I have it right, you think we need more illegal aliens, the economy
is fine, there are plenty of jobs available, spending levels need to be
higher, the $19 trillion dept needs to be bigger, the IRS needs more
pages of regulations, government should take more from the workers in
taxes, we need more regulations on people and businesses, a terrorist
attack here and there is fine, no need to increase military spending,
we don't need to repatriate overseas earnings, we need to tax it, no
need to try and improve our trade, currency manipulation is not real.

It would be interesting to hear from you what part of the above he got wrong.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!