On 1/3/2016 12:36 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/3/16 10:42 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/3/2016 9:45 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/3/16 1:14 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 7:00 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/2/16 4:26 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 4:13 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/2/16 4:06 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 3:11 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/pfgswc5

The militant group Al-Shabaab -- Al Qaeda's affiliate in
Somalia --
has
released a recruitment video featuring GOP presidential
frontrunner
Donald Trump.

The more-than 51-minute propaganda video comes on the heels of a
war of
words between Trump and Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton
over
her
suggestion that the real estate mogul's controversial remarks
about
Muslims would be used to recruit jihadis.

---

Trump...without question the biggest asshole in the 2016 election
race.


She didn't say "would". She said it *had* been used. At that
time it
had not.



Know that for a fact, do you?

What's funny is that the horse's ass known as Trump was "indignant"
about the claim when it surfaced, and now he is gloating. He is *so*
modern day Republican.


I know this: When she first made the statement that a recruitment
video
*had* been made virtually every media outlet went searching for it.
Obviously the first to find it would have an "exclusive". Problem
was,
no video was found and they acknowledged that.

The fact that one has now been made (after she planted the idea
probably) doesn't change the fact that Hillary has a problem with
blaming things on videos.

But, yes, Trump *is* an ass.

Unless the Repugnants figure out a way to stop him, it is beginning to
look like Trump will be the nominee, and the fall-back guy is Ted
Cruz.
Either of those possibilities strike me as funny


Take a look at the latest polling data averages for the general
election. Hillary still holds a lead over Trump but the gap has
narrowed significantly compared to a month or two ago. A Cruz versus
Clinton matchup is currently a tie. Rubio actually holds a slight lead
over Clinton. Even Carson polls well against her. Might be closer
than
you thought a while back.


I don't think so.

I think what popularity Rubio has is based on the fact that he's neither
Trump nor Cruz. He really seems to be an empty suit and a lousy
campaigner.

Cruz is a nutcase. There are hundreds of videos of him demonstrating
that. They'll get a lot of play. Plus, he is overzealously a religious
fundie, and that is not going to work in a general election.

Carson is on the way out.


So, in other words, the pollsters have it all wrong, eh?

There is a strong anti-Hillary sentiment that exists in the country that
is not exclusive to Republicans. Many Democrats consider her to
be untrustworthy and dishonest but most, like you, will vote the party
line rather than for a Republican. I understand that. But,
there is a widening range of Independents who will most likely determine
who the next POTUS is.



Whatever Mrs. Clinton's shortcomings, real or imagined, there's no
question she would be a better POTUS than any of the Repubs who might
survive the early caucuses and primaries, such as Trump, Cruz, or Rubio.

That's just your personal opinion and not related to this discussion.
The discussion was about the latest poll results and the fact that the
election may be a lot closer than what you have been preaching for many
months.

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/3/16 10:42 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/3/2016 9:45 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/3/16 1:14 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 7:00 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/2/16 4:26 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 4:13 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/2/16 4:06 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 3:11 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/pfgswc5

The militant group Al-Shabaab -- Al Qaeda's affiliate in Somalia --
has
released a recruitment video featuring GOP presidential frontrunner
Donald Trump.

The more-than 51-minute propaganda video comes on the heels of a
war of
words between Trump and Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton over
her
suggestion that the real estate mogul's controversial remarks about
Muslims would be used to recruit jihadis.

---

Trump...without question the biggest asshole in the 2016 election
race.


She didn't say "would". She said it *had* been used. At that
time it
had not.



Know that for a fact, do you?

What's funny is that the horse's ass known as Trump was "indignant"
about the claim when it surfaced, and now he is gloating. He is *so*
modern day Republican.


I know this: When she first made the statement that a recruitment
video
*had* been made virtually every media outlet went searching for it.
Obviously the first to find it would have an "exclusive". Problem
was,
no video was found and they acknowledged that.

The fact that one has now been made (after she planted the idea
probably) doesn't change the fact that Hillary has a problem with
blaming things on videos.

But, yes, Trump *is* an ass.

Unless the Repugnants figure out a way to stop him, it is beginning to
look like Trump will be the nominee, and the fall-back guy is Ted Cruz.
Either of those possibilities strike me as funny


Take a look at the latest polling data averages for the general
election. Hillary still holds a lead over Trump but the gap has
narrowed significantly compared to a month or two ago. A Cruz versus
Clinton matchup is currently a tie. Rubio actually holds a slight lead
over Clinton. Even Carson polls well against her. Might be closer than
you thought a while back.


I don't think so.

I think what popularity Rubio has is based on the fact that he's neither
Trump nor Cruz. He really seems to be an empty suit and a lousy
campaigner.

Cruz is a nutcase. There are hundreds of videos of him demonstrating
that. They'll get a lot of play. Plus, he is overzealously a religious
fundie, and that is not going to work in a general election.

Carson is on the way out.


So, in other words, the pollsters have it all wrong, eh?

There is a strong anti-Hillary sentiment that exists in the country that
is not exclusive to Republicans. Many Democrats consider her to
be untrustworthy and dishonest but most, like you, will vote the party
line rather than for a Republican. I understand that. But,
there is a widening range of Independents who will most likely determine
who the next POTUS is.



Whatever Mrs. Clinton's shortcomings, real or imagined, there's no
question she would be a better POTUS than any of the Repubs who might
survive the early caucuses and primaries, such as Trump, Cruz, or Rubio.


Explain why a liar and incompetent lawyer would make a better POTUS.

On 1/3/16 1:51 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/3/16 10:42 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/3/2016 9:45 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/3/16 1:14 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 7:00 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/2/16 4:26 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 4:13 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/2/16 4:06 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 3:11 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/pfgswc5

The militant group Al-Shabaab -- Al Qaeda's affiliate in Somalia --
has
released a recruitment video featuring GOP presidential frontrunner
Donald Trump.

The more-than 51-minute propaganda video comes on the heels of a
war of
words between Trump and Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton over
her
suggestion that the real estate mogul's controversial remarks about
Muslims would be used to recruit jihadis.

---

Trump...without question the biggest asshole in the 2016 election
race.


She didn't say "would". She said it *had* been used. At that
time it
had not.



Know that for a fact, do you?

What's funny is that the horse's ass known as Trump was "indignant"
about the claim when it surfaced, and now he is gloating. He is *so*
modern day Republican.


I know this: When she first made the statement that a recruitment
video
*had* been made virtually every media outlet went searching for it.
Obviously the first to find it would have an "exclusive". Problem
was,
no video was found and they acknowledged that.

The fact that one has now been made (after she planted the idea
probably) doesn't change the fact that Hillary has a problem with
blaming things on videos.

But, yes, Trump *is* an ass.

Unless the Repugnants figure out a way to stop him, it is beginning to
look like Trump will be the nominee, and the fall-back guy is Ted Cruz.
Either of those possibilities strike me as funny


Take a look at the latest polling data averages for the general
election. Hillary still holds a lead over Trump but the gap has
narrowed significantly compared to a month or two ago. A Cruz versus
Clinton matchup is currently a tie. Rubio actually holds a slight lead
over Clinton. Even Carson polls well against her. Might be closer than
you thought a while back.


I don't think so.

I think what popularity Rubio has is based on the fact that he's neither
Trump nor Cruz. He really seems to be an empty suit and a lousy
campaigner.

Cruz is a nutcase. There are hundreds of videos of him demonstrating
that. They'll get a lot of play. Plus, he is overzealously a religious
fundie, and that is not going to work in a general election.

Carson is on the way out.


So, in other words, the pollsters have it all wrong, eh?

There is a strong anti-Hillary sentiment that exists in the country that
is not exclusive to Republicans. Many Democrats consider her to
be untrustworthy and dishonest but most, like you, will vote the party
line rather than for a Republican. I understand that. But,
there is a widening range of Independents who will most likely determine
who the next POTUS is.



Whatever Mrs. Clinton's shortcomings, real or imagined, there's no
question she would be a better POTUS than any of the Repubs who might
survive the early caucuses and primaries, such as Trump, Cruz, or Rubio.


Explain why a liar and incompetent lawyer would make a better POTUS.


Oh, *you* think Trump, Cruz and Rubio are...truthful.
That's a joke, right?

On 1/3/2016 1:53 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/3/16 1:51 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/3/16 10:42 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/3/2016 9:45 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/3/16 1:14 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 7:00 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/2/16 4:26 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 4:13 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/2/16 4:06 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 3:11 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/pfgswc5

The militant group Al-Shabaab -- Al Qaeda's affiliate in
Somalia --
has
released a recruitment video featuring GOP presidential
frontrunner
Donald Trump.

The more-than 51-minute propaganda video comes on the heels of a
war of
words between Trump and Democratic frontrunner Hillary
Clinton over
her
suggestion that the real estate mogul's controversial remarks
about
Muslims would be used to recruit jihadis.

---

Trump...without question the biggest asshole in the 2016
election
race.


She didn't say "would". She said it *had* been used. At that
time it
had not.



Know that for a fact, do you?

What's funny is that the horse's ass known as Trump was
"indignant"
about the claim when it surfaced, and now he is gloating. He is
*so*
modern day Republican.


I know this: When she first made the statement that a recruitment
video
*had* been made virtually every media outlet went searching for it.
Obviously the first to find it would have an "exclusive". Problem
was,
no video was found and they acknowledged that.

The fact that one has now been made (after she planted the idea
probably) doesn't change the fact that Hillary has a problem with
blaming things on videos.

But, yes, Trump *is* an ass.

Unless the Repugnants figure out a way to stop him, it is
beginning to
look like Trump will be the nominee, and the fall-back guy is Ted
Cruz.
Either of those possibilities strike me as funny


Take a look at the latest polling data averages for the general
election. Hillary still holds a lead over Trump but the gap has
narrowed significantly compared to a month or two ago. A Cruz versus
Clinton matchup is currently a tie. Rubio actually holds a slight
lead
over Clinton. Even Carson polls well against her. Might be
closer than
you thought a while back.


I don't think so.

I think what popularity Rubio has is based on the fact that he's
neither
Trump nor Cruz. He really seems to be an empty suit and a lousy
campaigner.

Cruz is a nutcase. There are hundreds of videos of him demonstrating
that. They'll get a lot of play. Plus, he is overzealously a religious
fundie, and that is not going to work in a general election.

Carson is on the way out.


So, in other words, the pollsters have it all wrong, eh?

There is a strong anti-Hillary sentiment that exists in the country
that
is not exclusive to Republicans. Many Democrats consider her to
be untrustworthy and dishonest but most, like you, will vote the party
line rather than for a Republican. I understand that. But,
there is a widening range of Independents who will most likely
determine
who the next POTUS is.



Whatever Mrs. Clinton's shortcomings, real or imagined, there's no
question she would be a better POTUS than any of the Repubs who might
survive the early caucuses and primaries, such as Trump, Cruz, or Rubio.


Explain why a liar and incompetent lawyer would make a better POTUS.


Oh, *you* think Trump, Cruz and Rubio are...truthful.
That's a joke, right?


Interesting question. Let's ask it another way. Are they more *honest*
(regardless of whether you, I or anyone else agrees with them) than Hillary?

On 1/3/16 2:19 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/3/2016 1:53 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/3/16 1:51 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/3/16 10:42 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/3/2016 9:45 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/3/16 1:14 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 7:00 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/2/16 4:26 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 4:13 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/2/16 4:06 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 3:11 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/pfgswc5

The militant group Al-Shabaab -- Al Qaeda's affiliate in
Somalia --
has
released a recruitment video featuring GOP presidential
frontrunner
Donald Trump.

The more-than 51-minute propaganda video comes on the heels
of a
war of
words between Trump and Democratic frontrunner Hillary
Clinton over
her
suggestion that the real estate mogul's controversial remarks
about
Muslims would be used to recruit jihadis.

---

Trump...without question the biggest asshole in the 2016
election
race.


She didn't say "would". She said it *had* been used. At that
time it
had not.



Know that for a fact, do you?

What's funny is that the horse's ass known as Trump was
"indignant"
about the claim when it surfaced, and now he is gloating. He is
*so*
modern day Republican.


I know this: When she first made the statement that a recruitment
video
*had* been made virtually every media outlet went searching for
it.
Obviously the first to find it would have an "exclusive". Problem
was,
no video was found and they acknowledged that.

The fact that one has now been made (after she planted the idea
probably) doesn't change the fact that Hillary has a problem with
blaming things on videos.

But, yes, Trump *is* an ass.

Unless the Repugnants figure out a way to stop him, it is
beginning to
look like Trump will be the nominee, and the fall-back guy is Ted
Cruz.
Either of those possibilities strike me as funny


Take a look at the latest polling data averages for the general
election. Hillary still holds a lead over Trump but the gap has
narrowed significantly compared to a month or two ago. A Cruz
versus
Clinton matchup is currently a tie. Rubio actually holds a slight
lead
over Clinton. Even Carson polls well against her. Might be
closer than
you thought a while back.


I don't think so.

I think what popularity Rubio has is based on the fact that he's
neither
Trump nor Cruz. He really seems to be an empty suit and a lousy
campaigner.

Cruz is a nutcase. There are hundreds of videos of him demonstrating
that. They'll get a lot of play. Plus, he is overzealously a
religious
fundie, and that is not going to work in a general election.

Carson is on the way out.


So, in other words, the pollsters have it all wrong, eh?

There is a strong anti-Hillary sentiment that exists in the country
that
is not exclusive to Republicans. Many Democrats consider her to
be untrustworthy and dishonest but most, like you, will vote the party
line rather than for a Republican. I understand that. But,
there is a widening range of Independents who will most likely
determine
who the next POTUS is.



Whatever Mrs. Clinton's shortcomings, real or imagined, there's no
question she would be a better POTUS than any of the Repubs who might
survive the early caucuses and primaries, such as Trump, Cruz, or
Rubio.


Explain why a liar and incompetent lawyer would make a better POTUS.


Oh, *you* think Trump, Cruz and Rubio are...truthful.
That's a joke, right?


Interesting question. Let's ask it another way. Are they more *honest*
(regardless of whether you, I or anyone else agrees with them) than
Hillary?



Trump lies about just about everything. He's been fact-checked. Cruz
tells one *crazy* whopper after another. Rubio has told a number of
tales, but he's not really out there...he's sort of a mystery candidate.

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/3/16 1:51 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/3/16 10:42 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/3/2016 9:45 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/3/16 1:14 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 7:00 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/2/16 4:26 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 4:13 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/2/16 4:06 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/2/2016 3:11 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/pfgswc5

The militant group Al-Shabaab -- Al Qaeda's affiliate in Somalia --
has
released a recruitment video featuring GOP presidential frontrunner
Donald Trump.

The more-than 51-minute propaganda video comes on the heels of a
war of
words between Trump and Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton over
her
suggestion that the real estate mogul's controversial remarks about
Muslims would be used to recruit jihadis.

---

Trump...without question the biggest asshole in the 2016 election
race.


She didn't say "would". She said it *had* been used. At that
time it
had not.



Know that for a fact, do you?

What's funny is that the horse's ass known as Trump was "indignant"
about the claim when it surfaced, and now he is gloating. He is *so*
modern day Republican.


I know this: When she first made the statement that a recruitment
video
*had* been made virtually every media outlet went searching for it.
Obviously the first to find it would have an "exclusive". Problem
was,
no video was found and they acknowledged that.

The fact that one has now been made (after she planted the idea
probably) doesn't change the fact that Hillary has a problem with
blaming things on videos.

But, yes, Trump *is* an ass.

Unless the Repugnants figure out a way to stop him, it is beginning to
look like Trump will be the nominee, and the fall-back guy is Ted Cruz.
Either of those possibilities strike me as funny


Take a look at the latest polling data averages for the general
election. Hillary still holds a lead over Trump but the gap has
narrowed significantly compared to a month or two ago. A Cruz versus
Clinton matchup is currently a tie. Rubio actually holds a slight lead
over Clinton. Even Carson polls well against her. Might be closer than
you thought a while back.


I don't think so.

I think what popularity Rubio has is based on the fact that he's neither
Trump nor Cruz. He really seems to be an empty suit and a lousy
campaigner.

Cruz is a nutcase. There are hundreds of videos of him demonstrating
that. They'll get a lot of play. Plus, he is overzealously a religious
fundie, and that is not going to work in a general election.

Carson is on the way out.


So, in other words, the pollsters have it all wrong, eh?

There is a strong anti-Hillary sentiment that exists in the country that
is not exclusive to Republicans. Many Democrats consider her to
be untrustworthy and dishonest but most, like you, will vote the party
line rather than for a Republican. I understand that. But,
there is a widening range of Independents who will most likely determine
who the next POTUS is.



Whatever Mrs. Clinton's shortcomings, real or imagined, there's no
question she would be a better POTUS than any of the Repubs who might
survive the early caucuses and primaries, such as Trump, Cruz, or Rubio.


Explain why a liar and incompetent lawyer would make a better POTUS.


Oh, *you* think Trump, Cruz and Rubio are...truthful.
That's a joke, right?


Not even close to what I stated.

In article ,
says...


Which brings us back to a often forgotten fact. The "great recession"
that began on Sept 15th, 2008 was not the result of GWB economic
policies or even his spending on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The
gunpowder that ignited the recession and near collapse of the economy
was the real estate bubble burst that left banks holding worthless
loans. This was a direct result of Clinton era economic policies with
help from people like Barney Frank. He's smart. He exited stage left
when the heat started getting too hot.

You're insulting the facts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwPG-7FTkyM

I can't even count the times I heard GWB crowing about
"home ownership".

On 1/3/2016 9:14 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...


Which brings us back to a often forgotten fact. The "great recession"
that began on Sept 15th, 2008 was not the result of GWB economic
policies or even his spending on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The
gunpowder that ignited the recession and near collapse of the economy
was the real estate bubble burst that left banks holding worthless
loans. This was a direct result of Clinton era economic policies with
help from people like Barney Frank. He's smart. He exited stage left
when the heat started getting too hot.

You're insulting the facts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwPG-7FTkyM

I can't even count the times I heard GWB crowing about
"home ownership".


On who's watch did the sub-prime loan fiasco start?

It's true GBW didn't recognize the impending problem it caused
and didn't stop it but it originated with Clinton, lead in good
part by Barney Frank. Frank later denied ownership of the concept
when the **** hit the fan of course.

On Sun, 3 Jan 2016 20:14:07 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article ,
says...


Which brings us back to a often forgotten fact. The "great recession"
that began on Sept 15th, 2008 was not the result of GWB economic
policies or even his spending on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The
gunpowder that ignited the recession and near collapse of the economy
was the real estate bubble burst that left banks holding worthless
loans. This was a direct result of Clinton era economic policies with
help from people like Barney Frank. He's smart. He exited stage left
when the heat started getting too hot.

You're insulting the facts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwPG-7FTkyM

I can't even count the times I heard GWB crowing about
"home ownership".

So?

On Sun, 3 Jan 2016 21:32:45 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 1/3/2016 9:14 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...


Which brings us back to a often forgotten fact. The "great recession"
that began on Sept 15th, 2008 was not the result of GWB economic
policies or even his spending on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The
gunpowder that ignited the recession and near collapse of the economy
was the real estate bubble burst that left banks holding worthless
loans. This was a direct result of Clinton era economic policies with
help from people like Barney Frank. He's smart. He exited stage left
when the heat started getting too hot.

You're insulting the facts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwPG-7FTkyM

I can't even count the times I heard GWB crowing about
"home ownership".


On who's watch did the sub-prime loan fiasco start?

It's true GBW didn't recognize the impending problem it caused
and didn't stop it but it originated with Clinton, lead in good
part by Barney Frank. Frank later denied ownership of the concept
when the **** hit the fan of course.


I don't really draw that much of a distinction between any of the Bush
brothers, including the tan one.