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O'Bama's liberals are driving us into the second recession of his ever
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On Fri, 8 Jan 2016 08:22:49 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote: O'Bama's liberals are driving us into the second recession of his ever so tedious reign as president. Join me in prayer for relief from these liberal assholes. I don't think we ever really got out of the last recession. They dumped massive amounts of federal money into the economy and made it look better but there is not really much actual growth. The employment participation rate (the number of actual jobs) is flat since 2007. It is easy to argue that "middle class" jobs have been going down since the GHWB administration. That was when the words "down sized" and "outsourced" entered the lexicon and it was in the Clinton administration when IBM had it's first layoff ... ever. (including the depression) That was when we started hearing "offshoring". That is the elephant in the room nobody will mention. Most of our growth is in construction and we have already seen that we need to limit that to need or we end up in a bubble. China is really looking at that one and their economy is suffering like ours did because they have so much "built and unsold". Everyone thinks computers will be the answer but there were more people making a good living in the computer business in 1980 than there are now. This is a "cut open the box and plug it in" business now and that is not a good living. We hear a lot about the opportunities in software but that is not an opportunity for a lot of people and those people can be in a boiler room in Bangladesh. |
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Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/8/2016 12:13 PM, wrote: On Fri, 8 Jan 2016 08:22:49 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote: O'Bama's liberals are driving us into the second recession of his ever so tedious reign as president. Join me in prayer for relief from these liberal assholes. I don't think we ever really got out of the last recession. They dumped massive amounts of federal money into the economy and made it look better but there is not really much actual growth. The employment participation rate (the number of actual jobs) is flat since 2007. It is easy to argue that "middle class" jobs have been going down since the GHWB administration. That was when the words "down sized" and "outsourced" entered the lexicon and it was in the Clinton administration when IBM had it's first layoff ... ever. (including the depression) That was when we started hearing "offshoring". That is the elephant in the room nobody will mention. Most of our growth is in construction and we have already seen that we need to limit that to need or we end up in a bubble. China is really looking at that one and their economy is suffering like ours did because they have so much "built and unsold". Everyone thinks computers will be the answer but there were more people making a good living in the computer business in 1980 than there are now. This is a "cut open the box and plug it in" business now and that is not a good living. We hear a lot about the opportunities in software but that is not an opportunity for a lot of people and those people can be in a boiler room in Bangladesh. No offense Greg and certainly not an insult but I don't think I have *ever* known anyone with a more depressing and pessimistic outlook than that you often express here. One of the strongest pillars of success is an optimistic approach to a problem or issue, even when the reasons to remain optimistic seem far and few between. I made my living in computers for 40 years. Greg is correct. When I started, we had 36 weeks of school to learn to maintain a mainframe. Plus additional weeks to learn new peripherals. These were discrete transistor systems. The NCR-315 computer I started with filled a room, just like an IBM 1401. 20 years later, the NCR 605 mini controller was released pretty much a 315 on 4 boards. Integrated circuits. Send out an FE with 4 boards and he could swap on the system. Now you had 2 weeks training, and 20% of the manpower requirement. Outsourcing was accelerated by minimum wage / living wages requirements. We priced our uneducated labor out of the market. When I worked for Maxtor in the early 90's, cost us $3.50 an hour fully bundled labor cost to run a headstack assembly factory in Penang, Malaysia. About $35 here. 10x the cost. In the 60's was probably a 3x cost factor. Plus in the 50-60's, US high school graduates could actually read and write and add and subtract. Now we have high wages for minimal jobs and graduates who are uneducated. Next time you go to a fast food place, look at the person making change. If American. They struggle. Here the Mexican worker can even make change if you add a couple cents to round out the amount. We are in deep **** here. Exorbitant debt we are piling on our grandkids. And no smokestack industries to employ the majority of the workers. We pay more to a local bus driver here than to a teacher with a masters. As to Silicon Valley, they bring in India and China workers for less than we pay the bus driver. Hyper loop is hype. Governor Brown has pushed through a high speed rail project for California. Price has. Already tripled and cost to go to Los Angeles on a subsidized train is going to be more than buying an airplane ticket. |
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On 1/8/2016 1:15 PM, Califbill wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote: On 1/8/2016 12:13 PM, wrote: On Fri, 8 Jan 2016 08:22:49 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote: O'Bama's liberals are driving us into the second recession of his ever so tedious reign as president. Join me in prayer for relief from these liberal assholes. I don't think we ever really got out of the last recession. They dumped massive amounts of federal money into the economy and made it look better but there is not really much actual growth. The employment participation rate (the number of actual jobs) is flat since 2007. It is easy to argue that "middle class" jobs have been going down since the GHWB administration. That was when the words "down sized" and "outsourced" entered the lexicon and it was in the Clinton administration when IBM had it's first layoff ... ever. (including the depression) That was when we started hearing "offshoring". That is the elephant in the room nobody will mention. Most of our growth is in construction and we have already seen that we need to limit that to need or we end up in a bubble. China is really looking at that one and their economy is suffering like ours did because they have so much "built and unsold". Everyone thinks computers will be the answer but there were more people making a good living in the computer business in 1980 than there are now. This is a "cut open the box and plug it in" business now and that is not a good living. We hear a lot about the opportunities in software but that is not an opportunity for a lot of people and those people can be in a boiler room in Bangladesh. No offense Greg and certainly not an insult but I don't think I have *ever* known anyone with a more depressing and pessimistic outlook than that you often express here. One of the strongest pillars of success is an optimistic approach to a problem or issue, even when the reasons to remain optimistic seem far and few between. I made my living in computers for 40 years. Greg is correct. When I started, we had 36 weeks of school to learn to maintain a mainframe. Plus additional weeks to learn new peripherals. These were discrete transistor systems. The NCR-315 computer I started with filled a room, just like an IBM 1401. 20 years later, the NCR 605 mini controller was released pretty much a 315 on 4 boards. Integrated circuits. Send out an FE with 4 boards and he could swap on the system. Now you had 2 weeks training, and 20% of the manpower requirement. Outsourcing was accelerated by minimum wage / living wages requirements. We priced our uneducated labor out of the market. When I worked for Maxtor in the early 90's, cost us $3.50 an hour fully bundled labor cost to run a headstack assembly factory in Penang, Malaysia. About $35 here. 10x the cost. In the 60's was probably a 3x cost factor. Plus in the 50-60's, US high school graduates could actually read and write and add and subtract. Now we have high wages for minimal jobs and graduates who are uneducated. Next time you go to a fast food place, look at the person making change. If American. They struggle. Here the Mexican worker can even make change if you add a couple cents to round out the amount. We are in deep **** here. Exorbitant debt we are piling on our grandkids. And no smokestack industries to employ the majority of the workers. We pay more to a local bus driver here than to a teacher with a masters. As to Silicon Valley, they bring in India and China workers for less than we pay the bus driver. Hyper loop is hype. Governor Brown has pushed through a high speed rail project for California. Price has. Already tripled and cost to go to Los Angeles on a subsidized train is going to be more than buying an airplane ticket. 40 years ago I made a living fixing devices that operated with vacuum tubes. Not much call for it now other than the occasional guitar amp. :-) |
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On Fri, 8 Jan 2016 10:15:27 -0800, Califbill billnews wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote: On 1/8/2016 12:13 PM, wrote: On Fri, 8 Jan 2016 08:22:49 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote: O'Bama's liberals are driving us into the second recession of his ever so tedious reign as president. Join me in prayer for relief from these liberal assholes. I don't think we ever really got out of the last recession. They dumped massive amounts of federal money into the economy and made it look better but there is not really much actual growth. The employment participation rate (the number of actual jobs) is flat since 2007. It is easy to argue that "middle class" jobs have been going down since the GHWB administration. That was when the words "down sized" and "outsourced" entered the lexicon and it was in the Clinton administration when IBM had it's first layoff ... ever. (including the depression) That was when we started hearing "offshoring". That is the elephant in the room nobody will mention. Most of our growth is in construction and we have already seen that we need to limit that to need or we end up in a bubble. China is really looking at that one and their economy is suffering like ours did because they have so much "built and unsold". Everyone thinks computers will be the answer but there were more people making a good living in the computer business in 1980 than there are now. This is a "cut open the box and plug it in" business now and that is not a good living. We hear a lot about the opportunities in software but that is not an opportunity for a lot of people and those people can be in a boiler room in Bangladesh. No offense Greg and certainly not an insult but I don't think I have *ever* known anyone with a more depressing and pessimistic outlook than that you often express here. One of the strongest pillars of success is an optimistic approach to a problem or issue, even when the reasons to remain optimistic seem far and few between. I made my living in computers for 40 years. Greg is correct. When I started, we had 36 weeks of school to learn to maintain a mainframe. Plus additional weeks to learn new peripherals. These were discrete transistor systems. The NCR-315 computer I started with filled a room, just like an IBM 1401. 20 years later, the NCR 605 mini controller was released pretty much a 315 on 4 boards. Integrated circuits. Send out an FE with 4 boards and he could swap on the system. Now you had 2 weeks training, and 20% of the manpower requirement. Outsourcing was accelerated by minimum wage / living wages requirements. We priced our uneducated labor out of the market. When I worked for Maxtor in the early 90's, cost us $3.50 an hour fully bundled labor cost to run a headstack assembly factory in Penang, Malaysia. About $35 here. 10x the cost. In the 60's was probably a 3x cost factor. Plus in the 50-60's, US high school graduates could actually read and write and add and subtract. Now we have high wages for minimal jobs and graduates who are uneducated. Next time you go to a fast food place, look at the person making change. If American. They struggle. Here the Mexican worker can even make change if you add a couple cents to round out the amount. We are in deep **** here. Exorbitant debt we are piling on our grandkids. And no smokestack industries to employ the majority of the workers. We pay more to a local bus driver here than to a teacher with a masters. As to Silicon Valley, they bring in India and China workers for less than we pay the bus driver. Hyper loop is hype. Governor Brown has pushed through a high speed rail project for California. Price has. Already tripled and cost to go to Los Angeles on a subsidized train is going to be more than buying an airplane ticket. Well by golly, that's a lot of *good* news! -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
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Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/8/2016 1:15 PM, Califbill wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 1/8/2016 12:13 PM, wrote: On Fri, 8 Jan 2016 08:22:49 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote: O'Bama's liberals are driving us into the second recession of his ever so tedious reign as president. Join me in prayer for relief from these liberal assholes. I don't think we ever really got out of the last recession. They dumped massive amounts of federal money into the economy and made it look better but there is not really much actual growth. The employment participation rate (the number of actual jobs) is flat since 2007. It is easy to argue that "middle class" jobs have been going down since the GHWB administration. That was when the words "down sized" and "outsourced" entered the lexicon and it was in the Clinton administration when IBM had it's first layoff ... ever. (including the depression) That was when we started hearing "offshoring". That is the elephant in the room nobody will mention. Most of our growth is in construction and we have already seen that we need to limit that to need or we end up in a bubble. China is really looking at that one and their economy is suffering like ours did because they have so much "built and unsold". Everyone thinks computers will be the answer but there were more people making a good living in the computer business in 1980 than there are now. This is a "cut open the box and plug it in" business now and that is not a good living. We hear a lot about the opportunities in software but that is not an opportunity for a lot of people and those people can be in a boiler room in Bangladesh. No offense Greg and certainly not an insult but I don't think I have *ever* known anyone with a more depressing and pessimistic outlook than that you often express here. One of the strongest pillars of success is an optimistic approach to a problem or issue, even when the reasons to remain optimistic seem far and few between. I made my living in computers for 40 years. Greg is correct. When I started, we had 36 weeks of school to learn to maintain a mainframe. Plus additional weeks to learn new peripherals. These were discrete transistor systems. The NCR-315 computer I started with filled a room, just like an IBM 1401. 20 years later, the NCR 605 mini controller was released pretty much a 315 on 4 boards. Integrated circuits. Send out an FE with 4 boards and he could swap on the system. Now you had 2 weeks training, and 20% of the manpower requirement. Outsourcing was accelerated by minimum wage / living wages requirements. We priced our uneducated labor out of the market. When I worked for Maxtor in the early 90's, cost us $3.50 an hour fully bundled labor cost to run a headstack assembly factory in Penang, Malaysia. About $35 here. 10x the cost. In the 60's was probably a 3x cost factor. Plus in the 50-60's, US high school graduates could actually read and write and add and subtract. Now we have high wages for minimal jobs and graduates who are uneducated. Next time you go to a fast food place, look at the person making change. If American. They struggle. Here the Mexican worker can even make change if you add a couple cents to round out the amount. We are in deep **** here. Exorbitant debt we are piling on our grandkids. And no smokestack industries to employ the majority of the workers. We pay more to a local bus driver here than to a teacher with a masters. As to Silicon Valley, they bring in India and China workers for less than we pay the bus driver. Hyper loop is hype. Governor Brown has pushed through a high speed rail project for California. Price has. Already tripled and cost to go to Los Angeles on a subsidized train is going to be more than buying an airplane ticket. 40 years ago I made a living fixing devices that operated with vacuum tubes. Not much call for it now other than the occasional guitar amp. :-) What replaced those jobs? Even a lot of of those Vacuum tubes devices were repaired via taking the tubes down to local multipurpose store with a tube tester. We are probably going to,see a massive depression, even without a religious war being expanded, because we overspend. 40% of our government spending is borrowed or printed money. We have promised huge pension dollars to government employees without funding them now like a private pension would be. Where are the jobs to support this debt we will need to service? I Think this debt service will be more akin to a bull servicing a cow, to the public having to pay. |
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On 1/8/2016 1:44 PM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 8 Jan 2016 10:15:27 -0800, Califbill billnews wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 1/8/2016 12:13 PM, wrote: On Fri, 8 Jan 2016 08:22:49 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote: O'Bama's liberals are driving us into the second recession of his ever so tedious reign as president. Join me in prayer for relief from these liberal assholes. I don't think we ever really got out of the last recession. They dumped massive amounts of federal money into the economy and made it look better but there is not really much actual growth. The employment participation rate (the number of actual jobs) is flat since 2007. It is easy to argue that "middle class" jobs have been going down since the GHWB administration. That was when the words "down sized" and "outsourced" entered the lexicon and it was in the Clinton administration when IBM had it's first layoff ... ever. (including the depression) That was when we started hearing "offshoring". That is the elephant in the room nobody will mention. Most of our growth is in construction and we have already seen that we need to limit that to need or we end up in a bubble. China is really looking at that one and their economy is suffering like ours did because they have so much "built and unsold". Everyone thinks computers will be the answer but there were more people making a good living in the computer business in 1980 than there are now. This is a "cut open the box and plug it in" business now and that is not a good living. We hear a lot about the opportunities in software but that is not an opportunity for a lot of people and those people can be in a boiler room in Bangladesh. No offense Greg and certainly not an insult but I don't think I have *ever* known anyone with a more depressing and pessimistic outlook than that you often express here. One of the strongest pillars of success is an optimistic approach to a problem or issue, even when the reasons to remain optimistic seem far and few between. I made my living in computers for 40 years. Greg is correct. When I started, we had 36 weeks of school to learn to maintain a mainframe. Plus additional weeks to learn new peripherals. These were discrete transistor systems. The NCR-315 computer I started with filled a room, just like an IBM 1401. 20 years later, the NCR 605 mini controller was released pretty much a 315 on 4 boards. Integrated circuits. Send out an FE with 4 boards and he could swap on the system. Now you had 2 weeks training, and 20% of the manpower requirement. Outsourcing was accelerated by minimum wage / living wages requirements. We priced our uneducated labor out of the market. When I worked for Maxtor in the early 90's, cost us $3.50 an hour fully bundled labor cost to run a headstack assembly factory in Penang, Malaysia. About $35 here. 10x the cost. In the 60's was probably a 3x cost factor. Plus in the 50-60's, US high school graduates could actually read and write and add and subtract. Now we have high wages for minimal jobs and graduates who are uneducated. Next time you go to a fast food place, look at the person making change. If American. They struggle. Here the Mexican worker can even make change if you add a couple cents to round out the amount. We are in deep **** here. Exorbitant debt we are piling on our grandkids. And no smokestack industries to employ the majority of the workers. We pay more to a local bus driver here than to a teacher with a masters. As to Silicon Valley, they bring in India and China workers for less than we pay the bus driver. Hyper loop is hype. Governor Brown has pushed through a high speed rail project for California. Price has. Already tripled and cost to go to Los Angeles on a subsidized train is going to be more than buying an airplane ticket. Well by golly, that's a lot of *good* news! -- Ban idiots, not guns! I hope California rail will be safer than The new Sun Rail project in Florida. Sun Rail is killing drivers at about one crash per week. And that's not even a high speed system. |
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