On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 10:22:06 -0800, Califbill billnews wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 09 Feb 2016 08:22:56 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 08:17:42 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote:

On 2/9/2016 7:56 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 8 Feb 2016 20:18:17 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:


4th cliff area in Humarock this morning:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P35pFBfA2c&feature=youtu.be

For others, "Humarock" is a section of Situate, MA on a peninsula
with the ocean on one side and the "South River" on the other.
8 miles north from my house.


Damn, not pretty at all.
--

Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns!

It's been worse.

It sure shows the value of building on stilts. In the outer banks of NC,
Nags Head area, I've seen
lots of houses where the stilts are enclosed, making storage area,
garage, etc. It would seem like
this would put an extra burden on the stilts when weather like that hit.

The walls are supposed to be designed so they blow out. There is a lot
of abuse to that FEMA rule about no habitable space below the
"finished floor". I see houses all the time that are using that
utility space as part of the home. The trend these days, as soon as
you get off the beach is to fill the lot up several feet and build on
a stem wall to get to FEMA. The community that Judy built had over 4
feet of fill and they still built on a 5 block stem wall.


If it has to be built on stilts or a stem wall to avoid flooding, there
should be no FEMA involved, or government subsidies.

I would be OK with it if FEMA and the states just followed the
existing rules. Allowing them to rebuild New Orleans without building
14ASL was criminal and will pick the pockets of the tax payer the next
time they have a storm. I certainly will not feel sorry for them.
I feel the same way about all of these people below the FEMA elevation
based on their datum plane.

No I do not have flood nor will I be looking for the government to
help me if I do have trouble. It is unlikely because this place has
not flooded in recorded history ... over 120 years.

Tim wrote:
On Monday, February 8, 2016 at 9:25:32 PM UTC-6, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/8/2016 9:39 PM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 2/8/2016 8:18 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

4th cliff area in Humarock this morning:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P35pFBfA2c&feature=youtu.be

For others, "Humarock" is a section of Situate, MA on a peninsula
with the ocean on one side and the "South River" on the other.
8 miles north from my house.


I hope those houses are unoccupied. Any damage in the area?

Half or more have year round residents. Just saw some other pictures
and videos of the Brant Rock area in Marshfield. Two of the people I
pick up and drop off every day live there. Place was blocked off by
police due to heavy flooding. Waves were smashing over the new sea
walls they built and smacking into the houses.

Funny things happen when the news crew tires to get up colose and
personal with foul nature.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMZWW1qdAWE


Like the news lady in a canoe, and someone walked by in angle deep water.
I think CNN.

wrote:
On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 10:22:06 -0800, Califbill billnews wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 09 Feb 2016 08:22:56 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 08:17:42 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote:

On 2/9/2016 7:56 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 8 Feb 2016 20:18:17 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:


4th cliff area in Humarock this morning:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P35pFBfA2c&feature=youtu.be

For others, "Humarock" is a section of Situate, MA on a peninsula
with the ocean on one side and the "South River" on the other.
8 miles north from my house.


Damn, not pretty at all.
--

Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns!

It's been worse.

It sure shows the value of building on stilts. In the outer banks of NC,
Nags Head area, I've seen
lots of houses where the stilts are enclosed, making storage area,
garage, etc. It would seem like
this would put an extra burden on the stilts when weather like that hit.

The walls are supposed to be designed so they blow out. There is a lot
of abuse to that FEMA rule about no habitable space below the
"finished floor". I see houses all the time that are using that
utility space as part of the home. The trend these days, as soon as
you get off the beach is to fill the lot up several feet and build on
a stem wall to get to FEMA. The community that Judy built had over 4
feet of fill and they still built on a 5 block stem wall.


If it has to be built on stilts or a stem wall to avoid flooding, there
should be no FEMA involved, or government subsidies.

I would be OK with it if FEMA and the states just followed the
existing rules. Allowing them to rebuild New Orleans without building
14ASL was criminal and will pick the pockets of the tax payer the next
time they have a storm. I certainly will not feel sorry for them.
I feel the same way about all of these people below the FEMA elevation
based on their datum plane.

No I do not have flood nor will I be looking for the government to
help me if I do have trouble. It is unlikely because this place has
not flooded in recorded history ... over 120 years.


If my house floods, there will not be enough insurance money to pay off.
Years ago, some insurance company tried to claim we were in a flood zone.
Bah! We are 120' above the valley floor.

On Tue, 09 Feb 2016 15:46:04 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 10:22:06 -0800, Califbill billnews wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 09 Feb 2016 08:22:56 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 08:17:42 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote:

On 2/9/2016 7:56 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 8 Feb 2016 20:18:17 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:


4th cliff area in Humarock this morning:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P35pFBfA2c&feature=youtu.be

For others, "Humarock" is a section of Situate, MA on a peninsula
with the ocean on one side and the "South River" on the other.
8 miles north from my house.


Damn, not pretty at all.
--

Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns!

It's been worse.

It sure shows the value of building on stilts. In the outer banks of NC,
Nags Head area, I've seen
lots of houses where the stilts are enclosed, making storage area,
garage, etc. It would seem like
this would put an extra burden on the stilts when weather like that hit.

The walls are supposed to be designed so they blow out. There is a lot
of abuse to that FEMA rule about no habitable space below the
"finished floor". I see houses all the time that are using that
utility space as part of the home. The trend these days, as soon as
you get off the beach is to fill the lot up several feet and build on
a stem wall to get to FEMA. The community that Judy built had over 4
feet of fill and they still built on a 5 block stem wall.


If it has to be built on stilts or a stem wall to avoid flooding, there
should be no FEMA involved, or government subsidies.

I would be OK with it if FEMA and the states just followed the
existing rules. Allowing them to rebuild New Orleans without building
14ASL was criminal and will pick the pockets of the tax payer the next
time they have a storm. I certainly will not feel sorry for them.
I feel the same way about all of these people below the FEMA elevation
based on their datum plane.

No I do not have flood nor will I be looking for the government to
help me if I do have trouble. It is unlikely because this place has
not flooded in recorded history ... over 120 years.

===

The flood water would get lost just trying to find its way up the
Estero River. :-)

On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 12:57:37 -0800, Califbill billnews wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 10:22:06 -0800, Califbill billnews wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 09 Feb 2016 08:22:56 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 08:17:42 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote:

On 2/9/2016 7:56 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 8 Feb 2016 20:18:17 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:


4th cliff area in Humarock this morning:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P35pFBfA2c&feature=youtu.be

For others, "Humarock" is a section of Situate, MA on a peninsula
with the ocean on one side and the "South River" on the other.
8 miles north from my house.


Damn, not pretty at all.
--

Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns!

It's been worse.

It sure shows the value of building on stilts. In the outer banks of NC,
Nags Head area, I've seen
lots of houses where the stilts are enclosed, making storage area,
garage, etc. It would seem like
this would put an extra burden on the stilts when weather like that hit.

The walls are supposed to be designed so they blow out. There is a lot
of abuse to that FEMA rule about no habitable space below the
"finished floor". I see houses all the time that are using that
utility space as part of the home. The trend these days, as soon as
you get off the beach is to fill the lot up several feet and build on
a stem wall to get to FEMA. The community that Judy built had over 4
feet of fill and they still built on a 5 block stem wall.


If it has to be built on stilts or a stem wall to avoid flooding, there
should be no FEMA involved, or government subsidies.

I would be OK with it if FEMA and the states just followed the
existing rules. Allowing them to rebuild New Orleans without building
14ASL was criminal and will pick the pockets of the tax payer the next
time they have a storm. I certainly will not feel sorry for them.
I feel the same way about all of these people below the FEMA elevation
based on their datum plane.

No I do not have flood nor will I be looking for the government to
help me if I do have trouble. It is unlikely because this place has
not flooded in recorded history ... over 120 years.


If my house floods, there will not be enough insurance money to pay off.
Years ago, some insurance company tried to claim we were in a flood zone.
Bah! We are 120' above the valley floor.
You can be tricked. When I was in Maryland we were on the top of a
hill but there were 2 houses in a little dip in the road. When Agnes
dumped about a foot of rain in a couple hours that little dip was
running about 2' deep. Both had indoor pools where their basement used
to be.
My sister's house was nowhere near any water you could see, pretty
much high and dry but the water table was about a foot higher than
their basement in a rain event after they built the running track at
the high school behind them.

It certainly made me a lot more careful selecting my lot and when they
built the house, it had a walk out basement with the door at grade and
it fell off in every direction from the house.

On 2/9/2016 3:46 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 10:22:06 -0800, Califbill billnews wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 09 Feb 2016 08:22:56 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 08:17:42 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote:

On 2/9/2016 7:56 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 8 Feb 2016 20:18:17 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:


4th cliff area in Humarock this morning:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P35pFBfA2c&feature=youtu.be

For others, "Humarock" is a section of Situate, MA on a peninsula
with the ocean on one side and the "South River" on the other.
8 miles north from my house.


Damn, not pretty at all.
--

Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns!

It's been worse.

It sure shows the value of building on stilts. In the outer banks of NC,
Nags Head area, I've seen
lots of houses where the stilts are enclosed, making storage area,
garage, etc. It would seem like
this would put an extra burden on the stilts when weather like that hit.

The walls are supposed to be designed so they blow out. There is a lot
of abuse to that FEMA rule about no habitable space below the
"finished floor". I see houses all the time that are using that
utility space as part of the home. The trend these days, as soon as
you get off the beach is to fill the lot up several feet and build on
a stem wall to get to FEMA. The community that Judy built had over 4
feet of fill and they still built on a 5 block stem wall.


If it has to be built on stilts or a stem wall to avoid flooding, there
should be no FEMA involved, or government subsidies.

I would be OK with it if FEMA and the states just followed the
existing rules. Allowing them to rebuild New Orleans without building
14ASL was criminal and will pick the pockets of the tax payer the next
time they have a storm. I certainly will not feel sorry for them.
I feel the same way about all of these people below the FEMA elevation
based on their datum plane.

No I do not have flood nor will I be looking for the government to
help me if I do have trouble. It is unlikely because this place has
not flooded in recorded history ... over 120 years.


You sound like me back in 2001 when we bought two places in Florida. I
did some research first and discovered that Jupiter, FL
had not had a direct hurricane hit in 100 years. Realizing how large
the coastline of Florida is, and the remote chances of a direct or even
close hit, I felt pretty safe.

Bought the houses and got wacked with three hurricanes in a little over
one year. Charlie, Francis and Wilma. :-)

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/9/2016 3:46 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 10:22:06 -0800, Califbill billnews wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 09 Feb 2016 08:22:56 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 08:17:42 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote:

On 2/9/2016 7:56 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 8 Feb 2016 20:18:17 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:


4th cliff area in Humarock this morning:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P35pFBfA2c&feature=youtu.be

For others, "Humarock" is a section of Situate, MA on a peninsula
with the ocean on one side and the "South River" on the other.
8 miles north from my house.


Damn, not pretty at all.
--

Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns!

It's been worse.

It sure shows the value of building on stilts. In the outer banks of NC,
Nags Head area, I've seen
lots of houses where the stilts are enclosed, making storage area,
garage, etc. It would seem like
this would put an extra burden on the stilts when weather like that hit.

The walls are supposed to be designed so they blow out. There is a lot
of abuse to that FEMA rule about no habitable space below the
"finished floor". I see houses all the time that are using that
utility space as part of the home. The trend these days, as soon as
you get off the beach is to fill the lot up several feet and build on
a stem wall to get to FEMA. The community that Judy built had over 4
feet of fill and they still built on a 5 block stem wall.


If it has to be built on stilts or a stem wall to avoid flooding, there
should be no FEMA involved, or government subsidies.

I would be OK with it if FEMA and the states just followed the
existing rules. Allowing them to rebuild New Orleans without building
14ASL was criminal and will pick the pockets of the tax payer the next
time they have a storm. I certainly will not feel sorry for them.
I feel the same way about all of these people below the FEMA elevation
based on their datum plane.

No I do not have flood nor will I be looking for the government to
help me if I do have trouble. It is unlikely because this place has
not flooded in recorded history ... over 120 years.


You sound like me back in 2001 when we bought two places in Florida. I
did some research first and discovered that Jupiter, FL
had not had a direct hurricane hit in 100 years. Realizing how large
the coastline of Florida is, and the remote chances of a direct or even
close hit, I felt pretty safe.

Bought the houses and got wacked with three hurricanes in a little over
one year. Charlie, Francis and Wilma. :-)





California, no basement, and we do have water springs, but my back neighbor
is a 7' retaining wall below me. Closest we had to a flood, other than a
defective toilet, was when they built the subdivision up the hill from us
30 years ago. Big rains, and the gutters were overflowing. Did flood the
senior housing at the bottom of the hills.

On Tuesday, February 9, 2016 at 2:57:38 PM UTC-6, Califbill wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Monday, February 8, 2016 at 9:25:32 PM UTC-6, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/8/2016 9:39 PM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 2/8/2016 8:18 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

4th cliff area in Humarock this morning:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P35pFBfA2c&feature=youtu.be

For others, "Humarock" is a section of Situate, MA on a peninsula
with the ocean on one side and the "South River" on the other.
8 miles north from my house.


I hope those houses are unoccupied. Any damage in the area?

Half or more have year round residents. Just saw some other pictures
and videos of the Brant Rock area in Marshfield. Two of the people I
pick up and drop off every day live there. Place was blocked off by
police due to heavy flooding. Waves were smashing over the new sea
walls they built and smacking into the houses.

Funny things happen when the news crew tires to get up colose and
personal with foul nature.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMZWW1qdAWE


Like the news lady in a canoe, and someone walked by in angle deep water.
I think CNN.

Yup! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgm3_jzcNm4

On 2/9/2016 5:11 PM, Califbill wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/9/2016 3:46 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 10:22:06 -0800, Califbill billnews wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 09 Feb 2016 08:22:56 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 08:17:42 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote:

On 2/9/2016 7:56 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 8 Feb 2016 20:18:17 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:


4th cliff area in Humarock this morning:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P35pFBfA2c&feature=youtu.be

For others, "Humarock" is a section of Situate, MA on a peninsula
with the ocean on one side and the "South River" on the other.
8 miles north from my house.


Damn, not pretty at all.
--

Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns!

It's been worse.

It sure shows the value of building on stilts. In the outer banks of NC,
Nags Head area, I've seen
lots of houses where the stilts are enclosed, making storage area,
garage, etc. It would seem like
this would put an extra burden on the stilts when weather like that hit.

The walls are supposed to be designed so they blow out. There is a lot
of abuse to that FEMA rule about no habitable space below the
"finished floor". I see houses all the time that are using that
utility space as part of the home. The trend these days, as soon as
you get off the beach is to fill the lot up several feet and build on
a stem wall to get to FEMA. The community that Judy built had over 4
feet of fill and they still built on a 5 block stem wall.


If it has to be built on stilts or a stem wall to avoid flooding, there
should be no FEMA involved, or government subsidies.

I would be OK with it if FEMA and the states just followed the
existing rules. Allowing them to rebuild New Orleans without building
14ASL was criminal and will pick the pockets of the tax payer the next
time they have a storm. I certainly will not feel sorry for them.
I feel the same way about all of these people below the FEMA elevation
based on their datum plane.

No I do not have flood nor will I be looking for the government to
help me if I do have trouble. It is unlikely because this place has
not flooded in recorded history ... over 120 years.


You sound like me back in 2001 when we bought two places in Florida. I
did some research first and discovered that Jupiter, FL
had not had a direct hurricane hit in 100 years. Realizing how large
the coastline of Florida is, and the remote chances of a direct or even
close hit, I felt pretty safe.

Bought the houses and got wacked with three hurricanes in a little over
one year. Charlie, Francis and Wilma. :-)





California, no basement, and we do have water springs, but my back neighbor
is a 7' retaining wall below me. Closest we had to a flood, other than a
defective toilet, was when they built the subdivision up the hill from us
30 years ago. Big rains, and the gutters were overflowing. Did flood the
senior housing at the bottom of the hills.



This morning I picked up an 89 year old "client" who lives right next to
the ocean in Brant Rock ... a section of Marshfield, MA. No problems
picking him up but this afternoon when I went to bring him home high
tide had recently passed and the ocean is still churned up from the
passing storm. The roadways leading to his house were completely
flooded. Couldn't pass. I thought I was going to have to take him home
with me. A public works truck was nearby and he called on his radio and
got directions to a back way that I was not aware of.
Good to know.

On Tue, 09 Feb 2016 16:31:48 -0500,
wrote:


The flood water would get lost just trying to find its way up the
Estero River. :-)

Yup and the water coming from the east is stopped by US41 and I-75.
Those people out east will be living in a lake if we have a real rain
event. Just the rains of last summer flooded some of them.
That is also what happened to North Ft Myers. I-75 interrupted the
sheet flow and a lot of places that were dry 40 years ago are under
water when it rains now.