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On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 10:02:19 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote:

On 2/11/2016 9:13 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 08:44:19 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/11/16 8:28 AM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 21:53:48 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 2/10/16 9:09 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 19:23:59 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

Sounds like Harry - who once said he carried because of "dog
packs."
I can't imagine being attacked by a coyote. They are naturally
fearful of me, with good reason. Dogs too.
Excepting Chihuahuas. Tiny dogs are stupid. I have one.
Instead of "booking" it into the garage, you should have just
growled at it as you approached it. Make a fist too.
Would have sent it away with its tail tucked.
Bears are another story.

===

Dog packs are dangerous but they're more interested in deer than
anything else. Dogs, wolves, coyotes, etc., are all dangerous in
packs and capable of taking down some fairly large animals. They are
all natural born stalkers and hunters if given the chance.

Yep.
OTOH, a single coyote - all 35 pounds of him - isn't much.
Especially if you're bundled in winter clothes.
Everyone has their own way of dealing with these kind of
incidents. My inclination would be to scare it off
immediately, since I don't want it attacking my back.
You have to let any canine know who's boss.
What's scarier is being attacked by a skunk. They have poor
eyesight and have come right at me at night time.
That's when I beat feet.


There's no shortage of news stories about packs of feral dogs attacking
humans or the pets of humans.

Gosh, I've not seen these stories. Perhaps you could direct us to some sites? Humans
attacked by feral dog packs along the Shenandoah River? Please?
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Google is your friend. Perhaps you can find some examples of attacks by
black dogs on white peeples. :)



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The following search of Google for feral dog attacks in Virginia
turned up nothing relevant:

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl=us&tbm=nws&authuser=0&q=feral+dog+ attacks+virginia&oq=feral+dog+attacks+virginia&gs_ l=news-cc.12..43j43i53.3904.3904.0.6039.1.1.0.0.0.0.75.75 .1.1.0...0.0...1ac.2.8e6WHAQdXK8

There was an incident in Virginia Beach where a stray dog killed a
family pet, and there was a stray dog attack at a zoo in Jackson,
Mississippi. Other than that, nada. It would appear that big pussy
Harry just likes to open carry.

He's probably afraid one of his good buddies (wink) (wink) will turn on
him out in the woods near his one bed camp site.

It's 24 degrees out there and windy as hell, and my dogs are bugging me to take them
for a walk. I think I'll take them out, let 'em freeze their butts off for a bit, and
then maybe they'll leave me alone.
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On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 08:04:54 -0500, Keyser Söze
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On 2/11/16 2:21 AM, RGrew176 wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/yzjq3u3





I remember reading about Taylor Mitchell shortly after her death. There
are some absolute numbskulls around who think "man" is the dominant
critter in the sorts of encounters being discussed here. Coyotes can run
around 40 pounds and have bodacious teeth, and there are many dogs
running loose who are significantly larger than coyotes and are very
hungry.

So would you shoot the coyote or not?

We know you would mow down the pack of petulant pomeranians but I was
wondering about the "wild" animal.

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On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 08:44:19 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/11/16 8:28 AM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 21:53:48 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 2/10/16 9:09 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 19:23:59 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

Sounds like Harry - who once said he carried because of "dog
packs."
I can't imagine being attacked by a coyote. They are naturally
fearful of me, with good reason. Dogs too.
Excepting Chihuahuas. Tiny dogs are stupid. I have one.
Instead of "booking" it into the garage, you should have just
growled at it as you approached it. Make a fist too.
Would have sent it away with its tail tucked.
Bears are another story.

===

Dog packs are dangerous but they're more interested in deer than
anything else. Dogs, wolves, coyotes, etc., are all dangerous in
packs and capable of taking down some fairly large animals. They are
all natural born stalkers and hunters if given the chance.

Yep.
OTOH, a single coyote - all 35 pounds of him - isn't much.
Especially if you're bundled in winter clothes.
Everyone has their own way of dealing with these kind of
incidents. My inclination would be to scare it off
immediately, since I don't want it attacking my back.
You have to let any canine know who's boss.
What's scarier is being attacked by a skunk. They have poor
eyesight and have come right at me at night time.
That's when I beat feet.


There's no shortage of news stories about packs of feral dogs attacking
humans or the pets of humans.

Gosh, I've not seen these stories. Perhaps you could direct us to some sites? Humans
attacked by feral dog packs along the Shenandoah River? Please?
--

Google is your friend. Perhaps you can find some examples of attacks by
black dogs on white peeples. :)



I was able to find a handful, going back 10 years or so, less than one
a year tho. It is far less than bee sting deaths and most of the
people attacked by dog packs survived.
It is also unclear how many of these "dogs" might have been coyotes or
even wolves since some happened out west.
Your chances of being killed by a feral dog pack is certainly less
than a random crime by a human and that is still very rare.
Bear in mind, most dog attacks are from "pets" not feral packs.

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On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 09:42:53 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/11/2016 9:21 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 2/11/2016 6:01 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2016 2:31 AM, Boating All Out wrote:

You have to let any canine know who's boss.

I chuckled when I read this.

We have a dog named "Fudge". Good sized mutt that my wife
rescued as a 1 year old pup from an abusive owner years ago.

Fudge is an awesome dog and is more affectionate to those he knows than
our other goofy black lab, "Sam Adams".

But God help any stranger who encounters Fudge in the house or outside
in the fenced-in area we made for him. You could throw all the rocks at
him you want, try to kick him, make fists at him and yell at him until
you're hoarse but he's still going to try to get you.
Doesn't like strangers at all, especially guys. I had to rescue a
landscaper who Fudge cornered once. The guy was yelling his head off at
him but the only thing that saved him was a five foot high aluminum pool
fence that was slowing Fudge down. He was trying to bite his way
through the fence to get to the guy.

Fudge would probably be no match for a wild coyote though.



I think I would dispute your last comment.

Ah, you've met Fudge. :-)

I don't know. A dog's instinct is to protect his territory. A coyote's
instinct is to kill to eat. It would be a messy fight though. Fudge is
an incredibly athletic and strong dog.

I doubt a coyote would screw with Ed. He would be giving up 70-80
pounds but the dog I have had that would give him the most trouble
would be Auggie, a bulldog/hound mix. I got him from the pound but the
good old boys around here said he looked like a "hog dog", the dogs
they use to run wild hogs. He was short but 75 pounds of solid muscle.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Auggie%20on%20watch.jpg

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On 2/11/2016 1:09 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 09:42:53 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/11/2016 9:21 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 2/11/2016 6:01 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2016 2:31 AM, Boating All Out wrote:

You have to let any canine know who's boss.

I chuckled when I read this.

We have a dog named "Fudge". Good sized mutt that my wife
rescued as a 1 year old pup from an abusive owner years ago.

Fudge is an awesome dog and is more affectionate to those he knows than
our other goofy black lab, "Sam Adams".

But God help any stranger who encounters Fudge in the house or outside
in the fenced-in area we made for him. You could throw all the rocks at
him you want, try to kick him, make fists at him and yell at him until
you're hoarse but he's still going to try to get you.
Doesn't like strangers at all, especially guys. I had to rescue a
landscaper who Fudge cornered once. The guy was yelling his head off at
him but the only thing that saved him was a five foot high aluminum pool
fence that was slowing Fudge down. He was trying to bite his way
through the fence to get to the guy.

Fudge would probably be no match for a wild coyote though.



I think I would dispute your last comment.

Ah, you've met Fudge. :-)

I don't know. A dog's instinct is to protect his territory. A coyote's
instinct is to kill to eat. It would be a messy fight though. Fudge is
an incredibly athletic and strong dog.

I doubt a coyote would screw with Ed. He would be giving up 70-80
pounds but the dog I have had that would give him the most trouble
would be Auggie, a bulldog/hound mix. I got him from the pound but the
good old boys around here said he looked like a "hog dog", the dogs
they use to run wild hogs. He was short but 75 pounds of solid muscle.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Auggie%20on%20watch.jpg


The big difference is their instincts vs domestication. A dog that has
been domesticated since a puppy basically keeps a "puppy" mentality all
his life. He doesn't have to hunt and kill for food. A wild dog that
has never been in the care of humans will act more like a wolf or coyote
and instincts take over. A coyote knows to go for the throat of
whatever he's trying to kill. A scared dog might just bite you in the ass.

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Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2016 9:21 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 2/11/2016 6:01 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2016 2:31 AM, Boating All Out wrote:

You have to let any canine know who's boss.

I chuckled when I read this.

We have a dog named "Fudge". Good sized mutt that my wife
rescued as a 1 year old pup from an abusive owner years ago.

Fudge is an awesome dog and is more affectionate to those he knows than
our other goofy black lab, "Sam Adams".

But God help any stranger who encounters Fudge in the house or outside
in the fenced-in area we made for him. You could throw all the rocks at
him you want, try to kick him, make fists at him and yell at him until
you're hoarse but he's still going to try to get you.
Doesn't like strangers at all, especially guys. I had to rescue a
landscaper who Fudge cornered once. The guy was yelling his head off at
him but the only thing that saved him was a five foot high aluminum pool
fence that was slowing Fudge down. He was trying to bite his way
through the fence to get to the guy.

Fudge would probably be no match for a wild coyote though.



I think I would dispute your last comment.

Ah, you've met Fudge. :-)

I don't know. A dog's instinct is to protect his territory. A coyote's
instinct is to kill to eat. It would be a messy fight though. Fudge is
an incredibly athletic and strong dog.


At least here in California the coyotes seem to attack dogs in packs.
Friends in San Marcos did not leave the dog out at night because of
coyotes. They were in a rural,area and the coyotes took a lot of outdoor
pets.

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On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 1:31:59 PM UTC-5, Califbill wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2016 9:21 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 2/11/2016 6:01 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2016 2:31 AM, Boating All Out wrote:

You have to let any canine know who's boss.

I chuckled when I read this.

We have a dog named "Fudge". Good sized mutt that my wife
rescued as a 1 year old pup from an abusive owner years ago.

Fudge is an awesome dog and is more affectionate to those he knows than
our other goofy black lab, "Sam Adams".

But God help any stranger who encounters Fudge in the house or outside
in the fenced-in area we made for him. You could throw all the rocks at
him you want, try to kick him, make fists at him and yell at him until
you're hoarse but he's still going to try to get you.
Doesn't like strangers at all, especially guys. I had to rescue a
landscaper who Fudge cornered once. The guy was yelling his head off at
him but the only thing that saved him was a five foot high aluminum pool
fence that was slowing Fudge down. He was trying to bite his way
through the fence to get to the guy.

Fudge would probably be no match for a wild coyote though.



I think I would dispute your last comment.

Ah, you've met Fudge. :-)

I don't know. A dog's instinct is to protect his territory. A coyote's
instinct is to kill to eat. It would be a messy fight though. Fudge is
an incredibly athletic and strong dog.


At least here in California the coyotes seem to attack dogs in packs.
Friends in San Marcos did not leave the dog out at night because of
coyotes. They were in a rural,area and the coyotes took a lot of outdoor
pets.

That's what everyone keeps missing. There's never just *one* coyote, there's at least two and usually more. I have a 70lb black lab. He *might* get lucky in a short fight with one coyote, but there's little doubt he'd fail against two or more.

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But Krause said

There's no shortage of news stories about packs of feral dogs attacking
humans or the pets of humans.

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On 2/11/2016 1:18 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2016 1:09 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 09:42:53 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/11/2016 9:21 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 2/11/2016 6:01 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2016 2:31 AM, Boating All Out wrote:

You have to let any canine know who's boss.

I chuckled when I read this.

We have a dog named "Fudge". Good sized mutt that my wife
rescued as a 1 year old pup from an abusive owner years ago.

Fudge is an awesome dog and is more affectionate to those he knows
than
our other goofy black lab, "Sam Adams".

But God help any stranger who encounters Fudge in the house or outside
in the fenced-in area we made for him. You could throw all the
rocks at
him you want, try to kick him, make fists at him and yell at him until
you're hoarse but he's still going to try to get you.
Doesn't like strangers at all, especially guys. I had to rescue a
landscaper who Fudge cornered once. The guy was yelling his head
off at
him but the only thing that saved him was a five foot high aluminum
pool
fence that was slowing Fudge down. He was trying to bite his way
through the fence to get to the guy.

Fudge would probably be no match for a wild coyote though.



I think I would dispute your last comment.

Ah, you've met Fudge. :-)

I don't know. A dog's instinct is to protect his territory. A coyote's
instinct is to kill to eat. It would be a messy fight though. Fudge is
an incredibly athletic and strong dog.

I doubt a coyote would screw with Ed. He would be giving up 70-80
pounds but the dog I have had that would give him the most trouble
would be Auggie, a bulldog/hound mix. I got him from the pound but the
good old boys around here said he looked like a "hog dog", the dogs
they use to run wild hogs. He was short but 75 pounds of solid muscle.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Auggie%20on%20watch.jpg


The big difference is their instincts vs domestication. A dog that has
been domesticated since a puppy basically keeps a "puppy" mentality all
his life. He doesn't have to hunt and kill for food. A wild dog that
has never been in the care of humans will act more like a wolf or coyote
and instincts take over. A coyote knows to go for the throat of
whatever he's trying to kill. A scared dog might just bite you in the ass.


Show us a picturer of that mean hombre of yours.

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On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 13:02:01 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 08:44:19 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/11/16 8:28 AM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 21:53:48 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 2/10/16 9:09 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 19:23:59 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

Sounds like Harry - who once said he carried because of "dog
packs."
I can't imagine being attacked by a coyote. They are naturally
fearful of me, with good reason. Dogs too.
Excepting Chihuahuas. Tiny dogs are stupid. I have one.
Instead of "booking" it into the garage, you should have just
growled at it as you approached it. Make a fist too.
Would have sent it away with its tail tucked.
Bears are another story.

===

Dog packs are dangerous but they're more interested in deer than
anything else. Dogs, wolves, coyotes, etc., are all dangerous in
packs and capable of taking down some fairly large animals. They are
all natural born stalkers and hunters if given the chance.

Yep.
OTOH, a single coyote - all 35 pounds of him - isn't much.
Especially if you're bundled in winter clothes.
Everyone has their own way of dealing with these kind of
incidents. My inclination would be to scare it off
immediately, since I don't want it attacking my back.
You have to let any canine know who's boss.
What's scarier is being attacked by a skunk. They have poor
eyesight and have come right at me at night time.
That's when I beat feet.


There's no shortage of news stories about packs of feral dogs attacking
humans or the pets of humans.

Gosh, I've not seen these stories. Perhaps you could direct us to some sites? Humans
attacked by feral dog packs along the Shenandoah River? Please?
--

Google is your friend. Perhaps you can find some examples of attacks by
black dogs on white peeples. :)



I was able to find a handful, going back 10 years or so, less than one
a year tho. It is far less than bee sting deaths and most of the
people attacked by dog packs survived.
It is also unclear how many of these "dogs" might have been coyotes or
even wolves since some happened out west.
Your chances of being killed by a feral dog pack is certainly less
than a random crime by a human and that is still very rare.
Bear in mind, most dog attacks are from "pets" not feral packs.

And these were along the Shenandoah River?
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