On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 13:09:43 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 09:42:53 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/11/2016 9:21 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 2/11/2016 6:01 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2016 2:31 AM, Boating All Out wrote:

You have to let any canine know who's boss.

I chuckled when I read this.

We have a dog named "Fudge". Good sized mutt that my wife
rescued as a 1 year old pup from an abusive owner years ago.

Fudge is an awesome dog and is more affectionate to those he knows than
our other goofy black lab, "Sam Adams".

But God help any stranger who encounters Fudge in the house or outside
in the fenced-in area we made for him. You could throw all the rocks at
him you want, try to kick him, make fists at him and yell at him until
you're hoarse but he's still going to try to get you.
Doesn't like strangers at all, especially guys. I had to rescue a
landscaper who Fudge cornered once. The guy was yelling his head off at
him but the only thing that saved him was a five foot high aluminum pool
fence that was slowing Fudge down. He was trying to bite his way
through the fence to get to the guy.

Fudge would probably be no match for a wild coyote though.



I think I would dispute your last comment.

Ah, you've met Fudge. :-)

I don't know. A dog's instinct is to protect his territory. A coyote's
instinct is to kill to eat. It would be a messy fight though. Fudge is
an incredibly athletic and strong dog.

I doubt a coyote would screw with Ed. He would be giving up 70-80
pounds but the dog I have had that would give him the most trouble
would be Auggie, a bulldog/hound mix. I got him from the pound but the
good old boys around here said he looked like a "hog dog", the dogs
they use to run wild hogs. He was short but 75 pounds of solid muscle.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Auggie%20on%20watch.jpg

Well, if my English Pointer were to ever get threatened by a coyote, she better hope
I'm there to hide behind.
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On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 15:04:30 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote:

But Krause said

There's no shortage of news stories about packs of feral dogs attacking
humans or the pets of humans.


O'course he's not been able to find one.
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On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 13:18:12 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/11/2016 1:09 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 09:42:53 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"

I doubt a coyote would screw with Ed. He would be giving up 70-80
pounds but the dog I have had that would give him the most trouble
would be Auggie, a bulldog/hound mix. I got him from the pound but the
good old boys around here said he looked like a "hog dog", the dogs
they use to run wild hogs. He was short but 75 pounds of solid muscle.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Auggie%20on%20watch.jpg


The big difference is their instincts vs domestication. A dog that has
been domesticated since a puppy basically keeps a "puppy" mentality all
his life. He doesn't have to hunt and kill for food. A wild dog that
has never been in the care of humans will act more like a wolf or coyote
and instincts take over. A coyote knows to go for the throat of
whatever he's trying to kill. A scared dog might just bite you in the ass.


Auggie was definitely more of a country dog than Ed. I was trying to
wrangle a black snake out of the screen cage and Auggie went right
after him. The snake went instantly from threat mode to protect
himself mode. I guess they understand when something presents a real
danger.
I feel the same about a lot of animals. If you just look at them like
a predator, they will leave you alone. That is why when you have a
gun, game runs away. I doubt the animal actually recognizes a gun but
they do sense your attitude and the fact that you are hunting them.

On a smaller scale, try it with a fly and a fly swatter. That fly that
will not leave you alone when you are blindly swatting at him will
disappear when you actually take an aimed shot at him. Same is true of
paper wasps. If you take a well aimed swing at one or just watch them
like you are going to, they will leave you alone. I have knocked down
the nest with my bare hand and not been stung. Just be sure you engage
the "guard" wasp. There will be one. The rest key off him. If he
stings you, plan on being stung by all of them.

On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 10:53:35 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

That's what everyone keeps missing. There's never just *one* coyote, there's at least two and usually more. I have a 70lb black lab. He *might* get lucky in a short fight with one coyote, but there's little doubt he'd fail against two or more.

Ed is more like 120 and he is not afraid of much but I am not sure he
has the aggression to win the fight. Fortunately most other canines
just leave him alone.
Once you have a couple of attackers, all bets are off. Your best hope
is to hurt the first one you can real bad and then try to get another
one. Hope they give up and go for a softer target.

On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 5:26:00 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 10:53:35 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

That's what everyone keeps missing. There's never just *one* coyote, there's at least two and usually more. I have a 70lb black lab. He *might* get lucky in a short fight with one coyote, but there's little doubt he'd fail against two or more.

Ed is more like 120 and he is not afraid of much but I am not sure he
has the aggression to win the fight. Fortunately most other canines
just leave him alone.
Once you have a couple of attackers, all bets are off. Your best hope
is to hurt the first one you can real bad and then try to get another
one. Hope they give up and go for a softer target.

My lab Buddy is a little unique... he has some Rhodesian Ridgeback in him. He's very social and playful, but also very protective of us with other animals and seemingly fearless. There's a 100lb yellow lab mix that visits our yard occasionally. Buddy dominates him, and will run him off if I step out of the house.

On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 15:16:08 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 5:26:00 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 10:53:35 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

That's what everyone keeps missing. There's never just *one* coyote, there's at least two and usually more. I have a 70lb black lab. He *might* get lucky in a short fight with one coyote, but there's little doubt he'd fail against two or more.

Ed is more like 120 and he is not afraid of much but I am not sure he
has the aggression to win the fight. Fortunately most other canines
just leave him alone.
Once you have a couple of attackers, all bets are off. Your best hope
is to hurt the first one you can real bad and then try to get another
one. Hope they give up and go for a softer target.

My lab Buddy is a little unique... he has some Rhodesian Ridgeback in him. He's very social and playful, but also very protective of us with other animals and seemingly fearless. There's a 100lb yellow lab mix that visits our yard occasionally. Buddy dominates him, and will run him off if I step out of the house.

Ed gets along with other dogs pretty well. He ignores little dogs and
plays with dogs his size but for some reason he mounts pit bulls.
It only seems to be that breed. I am waiting for one to bite him but
it hasn't happened so far.