On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 08:44:11 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

On 2/11/2016 1:03 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 16:59:06 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

On 2/10/2016 4:51 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 16:14:29 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

On 2/10/2016 11:23 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
....not my first choice, and I'm not sure 'Mericans are unbiased enough
to vote a New York Jewish Democratic Socialist into office, but I don't
have any serious policy issues with him, and this issue is certainly one
I favor:

Presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders called for a constitutional
amendment to automatically register all *eligible* voters during a
Democratic candidate forum on Friday night.

He said he wanted to see legislative reform or “maybe even a
constitutional amendment that says that everybody in America who has 18
years of age or older is registered to vote, end of discussion.�

Sanders blasted politicians who pass laws making it harder for people to
register to vote. States across the country have passed new laws—most
pushed by Republicans—that require a photo ID to register to vote or
limit when people can register.

“People who suppress the vote are political cowards and are undermining
democracy,� Sanders told moderator and MSNBC host Rachel Maddow during
the forum at Winthrop University in Rock Hill, South Carolina.

“What the Republicans are doing is so un-American, it’s outrageous, it
is beyond belief,� he said. “If they can’t face a free election, they
should get another job.�

In his many elections, Sanders said, “it has never occurred to me as a
candidate to figure out the way to deny people the right to vote because
they might vote against me.�

- - - - -

Sanders is spot-on...there's very little voter fraud in this country,
and the only reason the Repubs are pushing for tougher laws is to limit
the vote.

I agree. Show your SS card and vote. No problem

Where would I get that. I have not had a SS card since 1964 (when I
lost my wallet in the Potomac). The SS card is not much of an ID
anyway. Any kid with a color printer can make one. There is no
biometric information on it at all.
The last I heard a SS card, a "mica" and a birth certificate was about
$500.

Show up at a SS office and ask for one.

Why? In over 50 years nobody has ever asked me to show it to them.
(Not even when I started drawing my SS/MC)

The one I had said right on it "Not for Identification" or words to
that effect.

Take the "A" off the end of your medicare number and what's left.
Leave your SS number off your tax return and see what happens.
Why won't your doctor treat you if you don't give up your SS number.
Why can't you get credit without a SS number.
Maybe you didn't show a card but you've given your number out countless
times.

What medicare card? I have an advantage plan and my "card" is from
United Health Care. My SS# does not appear on that card anywhere. In
fact there is nothing in my wallet with my SS# on it.

How would you propose potential voters properly identify themselves?

Certified birth certificate and a record of your marriages/divorces if
you changed your name, just like you need for a driver's license since
they came out with "real ID" (post 9-11)

On 2/11/2016 10:54 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 08:44:11 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

On 2/11/2016 1:03 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 16:59:06 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

On 2/10/2016 4:51 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 16:14:29 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

On 2/10/2016 11:23 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
....not my first choice, and I'm not sure 'Mericans are unbiased enough
to vote a New York Jewish Democratic Socialist into office, but I don't
have any serious policy issues with him, and this issue is certainly one
I favor:

Presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders called for a constitutional
amendment to automatically register all *eligible* voters during a
Democratic candidate forum on Friday night.

He said he wanted to see legislative reform or “maybe even a
constitutional amendment that says that everybody in America who has 18
years of age or older is registered to vote, end of discussion.�

Sanders blasted politicians who pass laws making it harder for people to
register to vote. States across the country have passed new laws—most
pushed by Republicans—that require a photo ID to register to vote or
limit when people can register.

“People who suppress the vote are political cowards and are undermining
democracy,� Sanders told moderator and MSNBC host Rachel Maddow during
the forum at Winthrop University in Rock Hill, South Carolina.

“What the Republicans are doing is so un-American, it’s outrageous, it
is beyond belief,� he said. “If they can’t face a free election, they
should get another job.�

In his many elections, Sanders said, “it has never occurred to me as a
candidate to figure out the way to deny people the right to vote because
they might vote against me.�

- - - - -

Sanders is spot-on...there's very little voter fraud in this country,
and the only reason the Repubs are pushing for tougher laws is to limit
the vote.

I agree. Show your SS card and vote. No problem

Where would I get that. I have not had a SS card since 1964 (when I
lost my wallet in the Potomac). The SS card is not much of an ID
anyway. Any kid with a color printer can make one. There is no
biometric information on it at all.
The last I heard a SS card, a "mica" and a birth certificate was about
$500.

Show up at a SS office and ask for one.

Why? In over 50 years nobody has ever asked me to show it to them.
(Not even when I started drawing my SS/MC)

The one I had said right on it "Not for Identification" or words to
that effect.

Take the "A" off the end of your medicare number and what's left.
Leave your SS number off your tax return and see what happens.
Why won't your doctor treat you if you don't give up your SS number.
Why can't you get credit without a SS number.
Maybe you didn't show a card but you've given your number out countless
times.

What medicare card? I have an advantage plan and my "card" is from
United Health Care. My SS# does not appear on that card anywhere. In
fact there is nothing in my wallet with my SS# on it.

How would you propose potential voters properly identify themselves?

Certified birth certificate and a record of your marriages/divorces if
you changed your name, just like you need for a driver's license since
they came out with "real ID" (post 9-11)



Assuming you are not illegal, your SS number is easily obtainable by
just about anyone looking at your credit history, medical records,
Medicare part A, B, D or Advantage.
Even your dentist could recite it to you if you forget it.
I hope you don't think your SS number is safe.

wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 08:44:11 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

On 2/11/2016 1:03 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 16:59:06 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

On 2/10/2016 4:51 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 16:14:29 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

On 2/10/2016 11:23 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
....not my first choice, and I'm not sure 'Mericans are unbiased enough
to vote a New York Jewish Democratic Socialist into office, but I don't
have any serious policy issues with him, and this issue is certainly one
I favor:

Presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders called for a constitutional
amendment to automatically register all *eligible* voters during a
Democratic candidate forum on Friday night.

He said he wanted to see legislative reform or “maybe even a
constitutional amendment that says that everybody in America who has 18
years of age or older is registered to vote, end of discussion.�

Sanders blasted politicians who pass laws making it harder for people to
register to vote. States across the country have passed new laws—most
pushed by Republicans—that require a photo ID to register to vote or
limit when people can register.

“People who suppress the vote are political cowards and are undermining
democracy,� Sanders told moderator and MSNBC host Rachel Maddow during
the forum at Winthrop University in Rock Hill, South Carolina.

“What the Republicans are doing is so un-American, it’s outrageous, it
is beyond belief,� he said. “If they can’t face a free election, they
should get another job.�

In his many elections, Sanders said, “it has never occurred to me as a
candidate to figure out the way to deny people the right to vote because
they might vote against me.�

- - - - -

Sanders is spot-on...there's very little voter fraud in this country,
and the only reason the Repubs are pushing for tougher laws is to limit
the vote.

I agree. Show your SS card and vote. No problem

Where would I get that. I have not had a SS card since 1964 (when I
lost my wallet in the Potomac). The SS card is not much of an ID
anyway. Any kid with a color printer can make one. There is no
biometric information on it at all.
The last I heard a SS card, a "mica" and a birth certificate was about
$500.

Show up at a SS office and ask for one.

Why? In over 50 years nobody has ever asked me to show it to them.
(Not even when I started drawing my SS/MC)

The one I had said right on it "Not for Identification" or words to
that effect.

Take the "A" off the end of your medicare number and what's left.
Leave your SS number off your tax return and see what happens.
Why won't your doctor treat you if you don't give up your SS number.
Why can't you get credit without a SS number.
Maybe you didn't show a card but you've given your number out countless
times.

What medicare card? I have an advantage plan and my "card" is from
United Health Care. My SS# does not appear on that card anywhere. In
fact there is nothing in my wallet with my SS# on it.

How would you propose potential voters properly identify themselves?

Certified birth certificate and a record of your marriages/divorces if
you changed your name, just like you need for a driver's license since
they came out with "real ID" (post 9-11)





You should have got a Medicare card when you turned 65. I have both the
Medicare and the Unit d Healthcare card. And a drug card.

On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 11:11:09 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

On 2/11/2016 10:54 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 08:44:11 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

On 2/11/2016 1:03 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 16:59:06 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

On 2/10/2016 4:51 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 16:14:29 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

On 2/10/2016 11:23 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
....not my first choice, and I'm not sure 'Mericans are unbiased enough
to vote a New York Jewish Democratic Socialist into office, but I don't
have any serious policy issues with him, and this issue is certainly one
I favor:

Presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders called for a constitutional
amendment to automatically register all *eligible* voters during a
Democratic candidate forum on Friday night.

He said he wanted to see legislative reform or “maybe even a
constitutional amendment that says that everybody in America who has 18
years of age or older is registered to vote, end of discussion.�

Sanders blasted politicians who pass laws making it harder for people to
register to vote. States across the country have passed new laws—most
pushed by Republicans—that require a photo ID to register to vote or
limit when people can register.

“People who suppress the vote are political cowards and are undermining
democracy,� Sanders told moderator and MSNBC host Rachel Maddow during
the forum at Winthrop University in Rock Hill, South Carolina.

“What the Republicans are doing is so un-American, it’s outrageous, it
is beyond belief,� he said. “If they can’t face a free election, they
should get another job.�

In his many elections, Sanders said, “it has never occurred to me as a
candidate to figure out the way to deny people the right to vote because
they might vote against me.�

- - - - -

Sanders is spot-on...there's very little voter fraud in this country,
and the only reason the Repubs are pushing for tougher laws is to limit
the vote.

I agree. Show your SS card and vote. No problem

Where would I get that. I have not had a SS card since 1964 (when I
lost my wallet in the Potomac). The SS card is not much of an ID
anyway. Any kid with a color printer can make one. There is no
biometric information on it at all.
The last I heard a SS card, a "mica" and a birth certificate was about
$500.

Show up at a SS office and ask for one.

Why? In over 50 years nobody has ever asked me to show it to them.
(Not even when I started drawing my SS/MC)

The one I had said right on it "Not for Identification" or words to
that effect.

Take the "A" off the end of your medicare number and what's left.
Leave your SS number off your tax return and see what happens.
Why won't your doctor treat you if you don't give up your SS number.
Why can't you get credit without a SS number.
Maybe you didn't show a card but you've given your number out countless
times.

What medicare card? I have an advantage plan and my "card" is from
United Health Care. My SS# does not appear on that card anywhere. In
fact there is nothing in my wallet with my SS# on it.

How would you propose potential voters properly identify themselves?

Certified birth certificate and a record of your marriages/divorces if
you changed your name, just like you need for a driver's license since
they came out with "real ID" (post 9-11)



Assuming you are not illegal, your SS number is easily obtainable by
just about anyone looking at your credit history, medical records,
Medicare part A, B, D or Advantage.
Even your dentist could recite it to you if you forget it.
I hope you don't think your SS number is safe.

I never said it was. I was simply pointing out the SS CARD is
meaningless.

On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 09:36:55 -0800, Califbill billnews wrote:

wrote:

What medicare card? I have an advantage plan and my "card" is from
United Health Care. My SS# does not appear on that card anywhere. In
fact there is nothing in my wallet with my SS# on it.

How would you propose potential voters properly identify themselves?

Certified birth certificate and a record of your marriages/divorces if
you changed your name, just like you need for a driver's license since
they came out with "real ID" (post 9-11)





You should have got a Medicare card when you turned 65. I have both the
Medicare and the Unit d Healthcare card. And a drug card.

I have the card but it is filed away somewhere because nobody ever
asks to see it. It is with my IBM retiree card and other useless bits
of paper.

On 2/11/16 2:02 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 09:36:55 -0800, Califbill billnews wrote:

wrote:

What medicare card? I have an advantage plan and my "card" is from
United Health Care. My SS# does not appear on that card anywhere. In
fact there is nothing in my wallet with my SS# on it.

How would you propose potential voters properly identify themselves?

Certified birth certificate and a record of your marriages/divorces if
you changed your name, just like you need for a driver's license since
they came out with "real ID" (post 9-11)





You should have got a Medicare card when you turned 65. I have both the
Medicare and the Unit d Healthcare card. And a drug card.

I have the card but it is filed away somewhere because nobody ever
asks to see it. It is with my IBM retiree card and other useless bits
of paper.


My SS card and my MD Voter Registration card, both paper cards and both
falling apart, are in my wallet. No one has asked to see either, ever.

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/11/16 2:02 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 09:36:55 -0800, Califbill billnews wrote:

wrote:

What medicare card? I have an advantage plan and my "card" is from
United Health Care. My SS# does not appear on that card anywhere. In
fact there is nothing in my wallet with my SS# on it.

How would you propose potential voters properly identify themselves?

Certified birth certificate and a record of your marriages/divorces if
you changed your name, just like you need for a driver's license since
they came out with "real ID" (post 9-11)





You should have got a Medicare card when you turned 65. I have both the
Medicare and the Unit d Healthcare card. And a drug card.

I have the card but it is filed away somewhere because nobody ever
asks to see it. It is with my IBM retiree card and other useless bits
of paper.


My SS card and my MD Voter Registration card, both paper cards and both
falling apart, are in my wallet. No one has asked to see either, ever.


I have been asked for the Medicare card at the hospital in Hawaii.

On 2/11/2016 2:00 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 11:11:09 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

On 2/11/2016 10:54 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 08:44:11 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

On 2/11/2016 1:03 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 16:59:06 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

On 2/10/2016 4:51 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 16:14:29 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

On 2/10/2016 11:23 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
....not my first choice, and I'm not sure 'Mericans are unbiased enough
to vote a New York Jewish Democratic Socialist into office, but I don't
have any serious policy issues with him, and this issue is certainly one
I favor:

Presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders called for a constitutional
amendment to automatically register all *eligible* voters during a
Democratic candidate forum on Friday night.

He said he wanted to see legislative reform or “maybe even a
constitutional amendment that says that everybody in America who has 18
years of age or older is registered to vote, end of discussion.�

Sanders blasted politicians who pass laws making it harder for people to
register to vote. States across the country have passed new laws—most
pushed by Republicans—that require a photo ID to register to vote or
limit when people can register.

“People who suppress the vote are political cowards and are undermining
democracy,� Sanders told moderator and MSNBC host Rachel Maddow during
the forum at Winthrop University in Rock Hill, South Carolina.

“What the Republicans are doing is so un-American, it’s outrageous, it
is beyond belief,� he said. “If they can’t face a free election, they
should get another job.�

In his many elections, Sanders said, “it has never occurred to me as a
candidate to figure out the way to deny people the right to vote because
they might vote against me.�

- - - - -

Sanders is spot-on...there's very little voter fraud in this country,
and the only reason the Repubs are pushing for tougher laws is to limit
the vote.

I agree. Show your SS card and vote. No problem

Where would I get that. I have not had a SS card since 1964 (when I
lost my wallet in the Potomac). The SS card is not much of an ID
anyway. Any kid with a color printer can make one. There is no
biometric information on it at all.
The last I heard a SS card, a "mica" and a birth certificate was about
$500.

Show up at a SS office and ask for one.

Why? In over 50 years nobody has ever asked me to show it to them.
(Not even when I started drawing my SS/MC)

The one I had said right on it "Not for Identification" or words to
that effect.

Take the "A" off the end of your medicare number and what's left.
Leave your SS number off your tax return and see what happens.
Why won't your doctor treat you if you don't give up your SS number.
Why can't you get credit without a SS number.
Maybe you didn't show a card but you've given your number out countless
times.

What medicare card? I have an advantage plan and my "card" is from
United Health Care. My SS# does not appear on that card anywhere. In
fact there is nothing in my wallet with my SS# on it.

How would you propose potential voters properly identify themselves?

Certified birth certificate and a record of your marriages/divorces if
you changed your name, just like you need for a driver's license since
they came out with "real ID" (post 9-11)



Assuming you are not illegal, your SS number is easily obtainable by
just about anyone looking at your credit history, medical records,
Medicare part A, B, D or Advantage.
Even your dentist could recite it to you if you forget it.
I hope you don't think your SS number is safe.

I never said it was. I was simply pointing out the SS CARD is
meaningless.

So is a birth certificate. Look at the trouble BHO had convincing folks
that his was legit.

On 2/11/2016 2:09 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/11/16 2:02 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 09:36:55 -0800, Califbill billnews wrote:

wrote:

What medicare card? I have an advantage plan and my "card" is from
United Health Care. My SS# does not appear on that card anywhere. In
fact there is nothing in my wallet with my SS# on it.

How would you propose potential voters properly identify themselves?

Certified birth certificate and a record of your marriages/divorces if
you changed your name, just like you need for a driver's license since
they came out with "real ID" (post 9-11)





You should have got a Medicare card when you turned 65. I have both the
Medicare and the Unit d Healthcare card. And a drug card.

I have the card but it is filed away somewhere because nobody ever
asks to see it. It is with my IBM retiree card and other useless bits
of paper.


My SS card and my MD Voter Registration card, both paper cards and both
falling apart, are in my wallet. No one has asked to see either, ever.

How about your draft card?

Justan Olphart wrote:
On 2/11/2016 2:09 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/11/16 2:02 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 09:36:55 -0800, Califbill billnews wrote:

wrote:

What medicare card? I have an advantage plan and my "card" is from
United Health Care. My SS# does not appear on that card anywhere. In
fact there is nothing in my wallet with my SS# on it.

How would you propose potential voters properly identify themselves?

Certified birth certificate and a record of your marriages/divorces if
you changed your name, just like you need for a driver's license since
they came out with "real ID" (post 9-11)





You should have got a Medicare card when you turned 65. I have both the
Medicare and the Unit d Healthcare card. And a drug card.

I have the card but it is filed away somewhere because nobody ever
asks to see it. It is with my IBM retiree card and other useless bits
of paper.


My SS card and my MD Voter Registration card, both paper cards and both
falling apart, are in my wallet. No one has asked to see either, ever.

How about your draft card?


I did find my draft notice a couple years ago.