On 2/11/2016 6:51 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
Too bad the GOP hasn't some way to at least steer its nominating
processes, considering the party's likely POTUS candidate will be an
absolutely crazy mutt.

The GOP still believes the peoples vote means something.

On 2/11/2016 8:18 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 08:06:08 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/11/16 8:03 AM, Tim wrote:
Looks like Bernie got a lesson on delegate re-distribution..



I have a strong feeling that the concept of "super delegates" was not
news to Bernie or any other professional politician. Not everyone lives
in the bubble of ignorance.

===

Harry, your own bubble of ignorance is so vast that you can't tell
where it begins or ends.

There is no beginning or end, it's a sphere.
I do hope Bernie gets the word out that the all powerful control the
outcome of democratic voting. The same "all powerful" that Krause CLAIMS
to despise.

On 2/11/2016 6:51 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/11/16 2:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

So, who won the NH Democratic primary? One would think that Bernie won,
having received 60 percent of the vote.

Not so, it seems. The DNC doesn't want Bernie so they have
manipulated the delegate count by apply their "super delegates" votes
in favor of Hillary. Basically, the DNC is saying, "Screw you voters
... *we* will decide who becomes the Democratic nominee."

What is a "superdelegate" you ask?

Superdelegates are political insiders. They consist of state officials,
national officials, Democratic (in this case) Committee members and
others with "special" interests in a specific candidate.
They can cast their vote any way they want to regardless of who wins the
popular vote.

A Democratic candidate needs 2,382 total delegates to win the
nomination. Of those, 712 are superdelegates. Hillary, despite a
virtual tie with Sanders in Iowa and a major popular vote loss in NH,
still is far ahead of Sanders in committed delegates. She currently has
394 delegates compared to 44 for Bernie. 360 of Hillary's delegates are
"superdelegates".

This is a joke and a mockery of what are supposed to be elections
determined by voters. The DNC will decide who their candidate is.



"Superdelegates" have long been a contentious issue within the party,
and came about to help prevent the nomination of a candidate who might
have been popular but believed to be an impending disaster in the
electoral college. I'm not sure how significant superdelegate status is
these days because of changes in the rules, but superdelegates still
have some status.


Actually, the number of superdelegates in the Democratic party have been
increasing since it was first implemented back in the 1980's.
Started as 14% of the required delegate votes for nomination. It's now
20% or more. The original purpose has been lost. It's now a way for
the DNC to influence or control the nomination process. The GOP has it
also but to a far lesser extent.

On 2/11/2016 8:14 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/11/16 8:10 AM, Tim wrote:
On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 7:06:11 AM UTC-6, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/11/16 8:03 AM, Tim wrote:
Looks like Bernie got a lesson on delegate re-distribution..

he gets 15

I have a strong feeling that the concept of "super delegates" was not
news to Bernie or any other professional politician. Not everyone lives
in the bubble of ignorance.

he gets 15 and she gets 17 and she didn't have to work for it. lol



D'uh. Read up on "super delegates" and report back when you break out of
the bubble. Here's a hint: "super delegates" are not chosen on the basis
of popularity with the voters.


That's the point Harry. Bernie clobbered Hillary in NH's primary
setting a record for what, coming in 22 points ahead? Yet, Hillary
walks away with the majority of the NH delegates in her nomination
quest. Talk about the "establishment".

On 2/11/16 9:11 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2016 6:51 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/11/16 2:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

So, who won the NH Democratic primary? One would think that Bernie won,
having received 60 percent of the vote.

Not so, it seems. The DNC doesn't want Bernie so they have
manipulated the delegate count by apply their "super delegates" votes
in favor of Hillary. Basically, the DNC is saying, "Screw you voters
... *we* will decide who becomes the Democratic nominee."

What is a "superdelegate" you ask?

Superdelegates are political insiders. They consist of state officials,
national officials, Democratic (in this case) Committee members and
others with "special" interests in a specific candidate.
They can cast their vote any way they want to regardless of who wins the
popular vote.

A Democratic candidate needs 2,382 total delegates to win the
nomination. Of those, 712 are superdelegates. Hillary, despite a
virtual tie with Sanders in Iowa and a major popular vote loss in NH,
still is far ahead of Sanders in committed delegates. She currently has
394 delegates compared to 44 for Bernie. 360 of Hillary's delegates are
"superdelegates".

This is a joke and a mockery of what are supposed to be elections
determined by voters. The DNC will decide who their candidate is.



"Superdelegates" have long been a contentious issue within the party,
and came about to help prevent the nomination of a candidate who might
have been popular but believed to be an impending disaster in the
electoral college. I'm not sure how significant superdelegate status is
these days because of changes in the rules, but superdelegates still
have some status.


Actually, the number of superdelegates in the Democratic party have been
increasing since it was first implemented back in the 1980's.
Started as 14% of the required delegate votes for nomination. It's now
20% or more. The original purpose has been lost. It's now a way for
the DNC to influence or control the nomination process. The GOP has it
also but to a far lesser extent.




One of my old friends in New England is a "super delegate," but she
always has voted as her delegation wished.

On 2/11/16 9:15 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2016 8:14 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/11/16 8:10 AM, Tim wrote:
On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 7:06:11 AM UTC-6, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/11/16 8:03 AM, Tim wrote:
Looks like Bernie got a lesson on delegate re-distribution..

he gets 15

I have a strong feeling that the concept of "super delegates" was not
news to Bernie or any other professional politician. Not everyone lives
in the bubble of ignorance.

he gets 15 and she gets 17 and she didn't have to work for it. lol



D'uh. Read up on "super delegates" and report back when you break out of
the bubble. Here's a hint: "super delegates" are not chosen on the basis
of popularity with the voters.


That's the point Harry. Bernie clobbered Hillary in NH's primary
setting a record for what, coming in 22 points ahead? Yet, Hillary
walks away with the majority of the NH delegates in her nomination
quest. Talk about the "establishment".




That's the whole point. Super Delegates were established to promote the
establishment candidate in order to prevent an outlier from getting the
nomination and losing the general. The majority of those running the
Democratic Party still believe Hillary is the best bet for winning the
election. Winning in 2016 is everything. I;d love to see Donald insult
Hillary face to face on the debate stage and watch her walk over and
slap his face...hard. Or kick him in the nuts...even better.

On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 09:08:53 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote:

On 2/11/2016 8:18 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 08:06:08 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/11/16 8:03 AM, Tim wrote:
Looks like Bernie got a lesson on delegate re-distribution..



I have a strong feeling that the concept of "super delegates" was not
news to Bernie or any other professional politician. Not everyone lives
in the bubble of ignorance.

===

Harry, your own bubble of ignorance is so vast that you can't tell
where it begins or ends.

There is no beginning or end, it's a sphere.
I do hope Bernie gets the word out that the all powerful control the
outcome of democratic voting. The same "all powerful" that Krause CLAIMS
to despise.

Funny how that seems to fall by the wayside when his sweetie is the beneficiary.
--

Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns!

On 2/11/2016 9:24 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/11/16 9:15 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2016 8:14 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/11/16 8:10 AM, Tim wrote:
On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 7:06:11 AM UTC-6, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/11/16 8:03 AM, Tim wrote:
Looks like Bernie got a lesson on delegate re-distribution..

he gets 15

I have a strong feeling that the concept of "super delegates" was not
news to Bernie or any other professional politician. Not everyone
lives
in the bubble of ignorance.

he gets 15 and she gets 17 and she didn't have to work for it. lol



D'uh. Read up on "super delegates" and report back when you break out of
the bubble. Here's a hint: "super delegates" are not chosen on the basis
of popularity with the voters.


That's the point Harry. Bernie clobbered Hillary in NH's primary
setting a record for what, coming in 22 points ahead? Yet, Hillary
walks away with the majority of the NH delegates in her nomination
quest. Talk about the "establishment".




That's the whole point. Super Delegates were established to promote the
establishment candidate in order to prevent an outlier from getting the
nomination and losing the general. The majority of those running the
Democratic Party still believe Hillary is the best bet for winning the
election. Winning in 2016 is everything. I;d love to see Donald insult
Hillary face to face on the debate stage and watch her walk over and
slap his face...hard. Or kick him in the nuts...even better.

I would have loved to see her show some emotion and do all of those
things to Billy when he got caught getting blow jobs from the chubby
little intern.

On 2/11/2016 9:15 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2016 8:14 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/11/16 8:10 AM, Tim wrote:
On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 7:06:11 AM UTC-6, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/11/16 8:03 AM, Tim wrote:
Looks like Bernie got a lesson on delegate re-distribution..

he gets 15

I have a strong feeling that the concept of "super delegates" was not
news to Bernie or any other professional politician. Not everyone lives
in the bubble of ignorance.

he gets 15 and she gets 17 and she didn't have to work for it. lol



D'uh. Read up on "super delegates" and report back when you break out of
the bubble. Here's a hint: "super delegates" are not chosen on the basis
of popularity with the voters.


That's the point Harry. Bernie clobbered Hillary in NH's primary
setting a record for what, coming in 22 points ahead? Yet, Hillary
walks away with the majority of the NH delegates in her nomination
quest. Talk about the "establishment".



The all powerful overriding the will of the people. We already have
O'Bama doing it. Do we really want more of the same?

On 2/11/2016 9:24 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/11/16 9:15 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2016 8:14 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/11/16 8:10 AM, Tim wrote:
On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 7:06:11 AM UTC-6, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/11/16 8:03 AM, Tim wrote:
Looks like Bernie got a lesson on delegate re-distribution..

he gets 15

I have a strong feeling that the concept of "super delegates" was not
news to Bernie or any other professional politician. Not everyone
lives
in the bubble of ignorance.

he gets 15 and she gets 17 and she didn't have to work for it. lol



D'uh. Read up on "super delegates" and report back when you break out of
the bubble. Here's a hint: "super delegates" are not chosen on the basis
of popularity with the voters.


That's the point Harry. Bernie clobbered Hillary in NH's primary
setting a record for what, coming in 22 points ahead? Yet, Hillary
walks away with the majority of the NH delegates in her nomination
quest. Talk about the "establishment".




That's the whole point. Super Delegates were established to promote the
establishment candidate in order to prevent an outlier from getting the
nomination and losing the general. The majority of those running the
Democratic Party still believe Hillary is the best bet for winning the
election. Winning in 2016 is everything. I;d love to see Donald insult
Hillary face to face on the debate stage and watch her walk over and
slap his face...hard. Or kick him in the nuts...even better.


What you just posted is really the "whole point". "The majority of
those *running* the Democratic Party still believe Hillary is the best
bet for winning the election." So, screw what the Democratic *voters*
think or want, eh?

I think there's a genuine movement going on to terminate business as
usual in our political process and our elected officials. I think the
feeling is shared by both Democrats, Independents and Republicans, ergo
the popularity of Bernie and Trump. Hillary represents the old
political establishment as does Jeb and a few other Republicans. They
can't generate much interest in their candidacy either.

The people should decide, not a bunch of insiders led by Debby Wasserman
Schultz.