Let me see if I can recall a bit of presidential history.

Ford pardoned Nixon.
Reagan sold arms to Iran and funded a secret war in Central America
without the knowledge of Congress, and then lied to the American people
about it.
George Herbert Walker Bush participated in Reagan’s secret arms deals
and then told us, “No new taxes,� and, of course, there were new taxes.
George W. Bush lied about Iraq’s role in 9/11 and then lied us into the
costliest war in U.S. history. His veep, Dick Cheney, outed a covert CIA
agent as political payback.

But Hillary is being pilloried by the GOP for using a private server?

On Thu, 7 Jul 2016 11:42:32 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

But Hillary is being pilloried by the GOP for using a private server?

No Hillary's qualifications are being questioned because she was
"sloppy", "negligent" and "Very careless" with top secret materials
that "any reasonable person would know were secret at the time".
Some were even marked that way according to Comey.
There is also the question about her lying under oath about it.
It is also interesting that Comey said he will not release the details
of these recovered E-mails until after the election so we do not know
what else may have been discussed.
Bear in mind, the details of Watergate were not released until after
the election too. I remember how that worked out.
I think she is the most likely president to be impeached since her
husband.

On 7/7/16 1:09 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 7 Jul 2016 11:42:32 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

But Hillary is being pilloried by the GOP for using a private server?

No Hillary's qualifications are being questioned because she was
"sloppy", "negligent" and "Very careless" with top secret materials
that "any reasonable person would know were secret at the time".


Yeah, that's what the FBI says, and likely what the FBI told Director
Comey to say. Considering its sleazy reputation over the decades, I'm
not sure I'd believe the FBI on almost any matter of controversy. I'm
not impugning Comey, I don't think he's dishonest. But his agency?

Remember this?

"The Justice Department and FBI have formally acknowledged that nearly
every examiner in an elite FBI forensic unit gave flawed testimony in
almost all trials in which they offered evidence against criminal
defendants over more than a two-decade period before 2000.�

And there are many examples of FBI crookedness.

On Thursday, July 7, 2016 at 1:18:49 PM UTC-4, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/7/16 1:09 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 7 Jul 2016 11:42:32 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

But Hillary is being pilloried by the GOP for using a private server?

No Hillary's qualifications are being questioned because she was
"sloppy", "negligent" and "Very careless" with top secret materials
that "any reasonable person would know were secret at the time".


Yeah, that's what the FBI says, and likely what the FBI told Director
Comey to say. Considering its sleazy reputation over the decades, I'm
not sure I'd believe the FBI on almost any matter of controversy. I'm
not impugning Comey, I don't think he's dishonest. But his agency?

Remember this?

"The Justice Department and FBI have formally acknowledged that nearly
every examiner in an elite FBI forensic unit gave flawed testimony in
almost all trials in which they offered evidence against criminal
defendants over more than a two-decade period before 2000.�

You forgot this part:
"Warnings about the problem have been mounting. In 2002, the FBI reported that its own DNA testing found that examiners reported false hair matches more than 11 percent of the time. In the District, the only jurisdiction where defenders and prosecutors have re-investigated all FBI hair convictions, three of seven defendants whose trials included flawed FBI testimony have been exonerated through DNA testing since 2009, and courts have exonerated two more men. All five served 20 to 30 years in prison for rape or murder.

University of Virginia law professor Brandon L. Garrett said the results reveal a “mass disaster� inside the criminal justice system, one that it has been unable to self-correct because courts rely on outdated precedents admitting scientifically invalid testimony at trial and, under the legal doctrine of finality, make it difficult for convicts to challenge old evidence.

“The tools don’t exist to handle systematic errors in our criminal justice system,� Garrett said. “The FBI deserves every recognition for doing something really remarkable here. The problem is there may be few judges, prosecutors or defense lawyers who are able or willing to do anything about it.�

So, the FBI self-identified it had problems back in 2002. As with all big government agencies, it takes a long time to correct things. And you wonder why many of us don't want the gov running healthcare, etc.

And there are many examples of FBI crookedness.

And there are many examples of Clinton crookedness. The email server fiasco is just the latest.

On Thu, 7 Jul 2016 13:18:45 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 7/7/16 1:09 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 7 Jul 2016 11:42:32 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

But Hillary is being pilloried by the GOP for using a private server?

No Hillary's qualifications are being questioned because she was
"sloppy", "negligent" and "Very careless" with top secret materials
that "any reasonable person would know were secret at the time".


Yeah, that's what the FBI says, and likely what the FBI told Director
Comey to say. Considering its sleazy reputation over the decades, I'm
not sure I'd believe the FBI on almost any matter of controversy. I'm
not impugning Comey, I don't think he's dishonest. But his agency?

Remember this?

"The Justice Department and FBI have formally acknowledged that nearly
every examiner in an elite FBI forensic unit gave flawed testimony in
almost all trials in which they offered evidence against criminal
defendants over more than a two-decade period before 2000.�

And there are many examples of FBI crookedness.

Now you are starting to sound like Trump.
Attack the messenger.
Just the simple fact that they erased everything but did not wipe the
drives, demonstrates that they were sloppy and negligent, even in
their attempt at the coverup. Comey also said their lawyers had wiped
all of the hand held devices. I guess they are easier to sanitize. If
they were so ignorant of how PCs work, how good could their network
security be? I always assumed they had some kind of computer
professional at State setting up this system but it appears not, since
they missed such basic concepts. I wonder if there are any other
drives sitting around in a Chappaqua land fill with secret data on
them?
There was also testimony a while ago that the people at State had
advised her not to set up this server so that may be why she couldn't
get one of their geeks to aid in this debacle.

On Thu, 7 Jul 2016 10:44:20 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

"The Justice Department and FBI have formally acknowledged that nearly
every examiner in an elite FBI forensic unit gave flawed testimony in
almost all trials in which they offered evidence against criminal
defendants over more than a two-decade period before 2000.�

You forgot this part:
"Warnings about the problem have been mounting. In 2002, the FBI reported that its own DNA testing found that examiners reported false hair matches more than 11 percent of the time. In the District, the only jurisdiction where defenders and prosecutors have re-investigated all FBI hair convictions, three of seven defendants whose
trials included flawed FBI testimony have been exonerated through DNA testing since 2009, and courts have exonerated two more men. All five served 20 to 30 years in prison for rape or murder.

I find it amusing that this is the same government that Harry wants to
have total control over every aspect of our lives.

On 7/7/2016 1:09 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 7 Jul 2016 11:42:32 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

But Hillary is being pilloried by the GOP for using a private server?

No Hillary's qualifications are being questioned because she was
"sloppy", "negligent" and "Very careless" with top secret materials
that "any reasonable person would know were secret at the time".
Some were even marked that way according to Comey.
There is also the question about her lying under oath about it.
It is also interesting that Comey said he will not release the details
of these recovered E-mails until after the election so we do not know
what else may have been discussed.
Bear in mind, the details of Watergate were not released until after
the election too. I remember how that worked out.
I think she is the most likely president to be impeached since her
husband.



It also appears that she has lied (again) to the public and in
congressional hearings while under oath.

I feel for Harry. It must be tough to mindlessly support his party's
choice in their candidate when it is obvious to the most oblivious
observer that her reputation for lying and deceitfulness is so well
deserved (and confirmed).

This isn't about Trump. It's about Hillary.

On Thu, 7 Jul 2016 15:12:38 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 7/7/2016 1:09 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 7 Jul 2016 11:42:32 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

But Hillary is being pilloried by the GOP for using a private server?

No Hillary's qualifications are being questioned because she was
"sloppy", "negligent" and "Very careless" with top secret materials
that "any reasonable person would know were secret at the time".
Some were even marked that way according to Comey.
There is also the question about her lying under oath about it.
It is also interesting that Comey said he will not release the details
of these recovered E-mails until after the election so we do not know
what else may have been discussed.
Bear in mind, the details of Watergate were not released until after
the election too. I remember how that worked out.
I think she is the most likely president to be impeached since her
husband.



It also appears that she has lied (again) to the public and in
congressional hearings while under oath.

I feel for Harry. It must be tough to mindlessly support his party's
choice in their candidate when it is obvious to the most oblivious
observer that her reputation for lying and deceitfulness is so well
deserved (and confirmed).

This isn't about Trump. It's about Hillary.

It is really about both of them. Maybe we should have a do over on the
candidate selections. The GOP knows Trump is a losing proposition and
Hillary is not much better.
It really means the parties will need to get out the vote for their
down ticket because there is not much reason to get excited by the
presidential candidates from either party. This could really be a
"stay at home" election.

On 7/7/16 2:42 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 7 Jul 2016 10:44:20 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

"The Justice Department and FBI have formally acknowledged that nearly
every examiner in an elite FBI forensic unit gave flawed testimony in
almost all trials in which they offered evidence against criminal
defendants over more than a two-decade period before 2000.�

You forgot this part:
"Warnings about the problem have been mounting. In 2002, the FBI reported that its own DNA testing found that examiners reported false hair matches more than 11 percent of the time. In the District, the only jurisdiction where defenders and prosecutors have re-investigated all FBI hair convictions, three of seven defendants whose
trials included flawed FBI testimony have been exonerated through DNA testing since 2009, and courts have exonerated two more men. All five served 20 to 30 years in prison for rape or murder.

I find it amusing that this is the same government that Harry wants to
have total control over every aspect of our lives.


You are projecting again. I've never said or intimated that I wanted
"government...to have total control over every aspect of our lives."

On 7/7/16 3:12 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/7/2016 1:09 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 7 Jul 2016 11:42:32 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

But Hillary is being pilloried by the GOP for using a private server?

No Hillary's qualifications are being questioned because she was
"sloppy", "negligent" and "Very careless" with top secret materials
that "any reasonable person would know were secret at the time".
Some were even marked that way according to Comey.
There is also the question about her lying under oath about it.
It is also interesting that Comey said he will not release the details
of these recovered E-mails until after the election so we do not know
what else may have been discussed.
Bear in mind, the details of Watergate were not released until after
the election too. I remember how that worked out.
I think she is the most likely president to be impeached since her
husband.



It also appears that she has lied (again) to the public and in
congressional hearings while under oath.

I feel for Harry. It must be tough to mindlessly support his party's
choice in their candidate when it is obvious to the most oblivious
observer that her reputation for lying and deceitfulness is so well
deserved (and confirmed).

This isn't about Trump. It's about Hillary.

I don't have any problems voting for Hillary. There isn't a Republican
on that list of 17 I would have voted for, under any circumstances, for
many reasons.