Keyser Söze Wrote in message:
On 7/10/16 11:32 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
The NRA is full of ****.

The Dallas shooter was a good guy with a gun until he wasn?t. The guns
and ammo were legally purchased. There were at least 20 ?open carry?
guys present when the shooting started, and they all ran from the scene.
The victims were heavily armed and highly trained.

So much for the concept that there?s a benefit to ?carrying? in an open
venue.

Oh, and did I miss the NRA?s comment on the death of the guy in
Minnesota who apparently was legally carrying and shot to death by the
cops? Or does the NRA only care about white folks who carry?


Another dumb post by a racist and loser.



Bilious, it is fashionable these days for white guys to accuse others of
"racism" when the latter point out the racism or possible racism of
whites or white-dominated groups. But that doesn't make the charge true.
It is simply a way for white guys to try to "transfer" their racism onto
those who accuse them of it.

That's an excellent description of one of your afflictions. You're
not bright enough to come up with it on your own. Did Dr Dr feed
it to you during a therapy session?


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On Sun, 10 Jul 2016 11:19:04 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

There were at least 20 ?open carry?
guys present when the shooting started, and they all ran from the scene.

Are you suggesting that they should have just started firing blindly
at anything that they thought looked threatening?
Perhaps we should be demanding that your CCW be revoked if you have
such a poor understanding about the legal use of force.
At least one of those guys actually turned his gun over to the first
cop he saw because he did not want to be shot by the cops.


You don't want to be anywhere near cops when bullets start flying.
Especially when they have been ambushed and they don't know where
the shooter is.
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Keyser Söze Wrote in message:
On 7/10/16 1:05 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jul 2016 11:19:04 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

There were at least 20 ?open carry?
guys present when the shooting started, and they all ran from the scene.

Are you suggesting that they should have just started firing blindly
at anything that they thought looked threatening?
Perhaps we should be demanding that your CCW be revoked if you have
such a poor understanding about the legal use of force.
At least one of those guys actually turned his gun over to the first
cop he saw because he did not want to be shot by the cops.


Just about everytime there is a mass shooting at a school, a church, a
movie theater, a shopping center, a parking lot or any other place where
folks gather, the NRA or some gun nut says, "If only there was someone
there carrying a firearm, he/she could have shot the shooter and saved X
number of people."

That's nonsense. Maybe an armed citizen might "save the day" in a tiny
number of cases, but it doesn't seem very likely. The open carry guys in
Dallas ran for their lives. Apparently down there, open carry works well
to intimidate shoppers at Target or fast food venues, but not when there
is a bad guy shooting, eh?


Better to limit your open carry to the Shenandoahwoods where your
only enemy are puppy dogs and squirrels. Eh sweet
cheeks?
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Keyser Söze Wrote in message:
On 7/10/16 1:47 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jul 2016 13:40:46 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/10/16 1:05 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jul 2016 11:19:04 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

There were at least 20 ?open carry?
guys present when the shooting started, and they all ran from the scene.

Are you suggesting that they should have just started firing blindly
at anything that they thought looked threatening?
Perhaps we should be demanding that your CCW be revoked if you have
such a poor understanding about the legal use of force.
At least one of those guys actually turned his gun over to the first
cop he saw because he did not want to be shot by the cops.


Just about everytime there is a mass shooting at a school, a church, a
movie theater, a shopping center, a parking lot or any other place where
folks gather, the NRA or some gun nut says, "If only there was someone
there carrying a firearm, he/she could have shot the shooter and saved X
number of people."

That's nonsense. Maybe an armed citizen might "save the day" in a tiny
number of cases, but it doesn't seem very likely. The open carry guys in
Dallas ran for their lives. Apparently down there, open carry works well
to intimidate shoppers at Target or fast food venues, but not when there
is a bad guy shooting, eh?

There are cases of CCW people shooting the bad guy but they are
generally not hyped up like the cases where they don't. In Dallas, the
"open carry" people had more fear of being shot by the cops than the
shooter. The guy I talked about was arrested and held for several
hours, He still had not got his gun back the last time CNN had him on.
That is plenty of reason to get away.


Well, then, perhaps the lesson is that "open carry" is great for
intimidating shoppers but not so much for taking care of bad guys,
especially when there are cops present.


Is that your take away. It's no wonder so many think you are a
sick ****.
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Keyser Söze Wrote in message:
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On Sun, 10 Jul 2016 14:01:43 -0400, Keyser Söze
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Well, then, perhaps the lesson is that "open carry" is great for
intimidating shoppers but not so much for taking care of bad guys,
especially when there are cops present.

I do not disagree. If this guy is shooting at heavily armed cops, I
doubt a few untrained yahoos are going to scare him much. Of course if
one of them was a trained shootist like you with a rifle that shoots
well within a MOA, he might guess wrong. ;-)


Right, except I am not dumb enough to open carry downtown anywhere. Besides
the only MOA rifle I have is a mere .22. ??

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Mobsters sometimes use a 22 during hits. You'd probably know why
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On 7/10/16 5:38 PM, justan wrote:
Keyser Söze Wrote in message:
wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jul 2016 14:01:43 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:




Well, then, perhaps the lesson is that "open carry" is great for
intimidating shoppers but not so much for taking care of bad guys,
especially when there are cops present.

I do not disagree. If this guy is shooting at heavily armed cops, I
doubt a few untrained yahoos are going to scare him much. Of course if
one of them was a trained shootist like you with a rifle that shoots
well within a MOA, he might guess wrong. ;-)


Right, except I am not dumb enough to open carry downtown anywhere. Besides
the only MOA rifle I have is a mere .22. ??

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Mobsters sometimes use a 22 during hits. You'd probably know why
better than I.
I



I used to wonder if you were as stupid as most of your posts here read.
I don't wonder anymore about that. Do you know the difference between a
..22LR rifle and a .22LR pistol?

It is mind-boggling to reflect upon the fact that you were judged
intellectually capable of being in the U.S. Navy.

On Sunday, July 10, 2016 at 4:47:02 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/10/16 5:38 PM, justan wrote:
Keyser Söze Wrote in message:
wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jul 2016 14:01:43 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:




Well, then, perhaps the lesson is that "open carry" is great for
intimidating shoppers but not so much for taking care of bad guys,
especially when there are cops present.

I do not disagree. If this guy is shooting at heavily armed cops, I
doubt a few untrained yahoos are going to scare him much. Of course if
one of them was a trained shootist like you with a rifle that shoots
well within a MOA, he might guess wrong. ;-)


Right, except I am not dumb enough to open carry downtown anywhere. Besides
the only MOA rifle I have is a mere .22. ??

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Mobsters sometimes use a 22 during hits. You'd probably know why
better than I.
I



I used to wonder if you were as stupid as most of your posts here read.
I don't wonder anymore about that. Do you know the difference between a
.22LR rifle and a .22LR pistol?

It is mind-boggling to reflect upon the fact that you were judged
intellectually capable of being in the U.S. Navy.

Harry, read it again before you start thrashing out in such an aimless fashion. You didn't take the time to notice that his comment had nothing to do with the implement, but the people who used that selected 22 caliber.

On 7/10/16 5:59 PM, Tim wrote:
On Sunday, July 10, 2016 at 4:47:02 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/10/16 5:38 PM, justan wrote:
Keyser Söze Wrote in message:
wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jul 2016 14:01:43 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:




Well, then, perhaps the lesson is that "open carry" is great for
intimidating shoppers but not so much for taking care of bad guys,
especially when there are cops present.

I do not disagree. If this guy is shooting at heavily armed cops, I
doubt a few untrained yahoos are going to scare him much. Of course if
one of them was a trained shootist like you with a rifle that shoots
well within a MOA, he might guess wrong. ;-)


Right, except I am not dumb enough to open carry downtown anywhere. Besides
the only MOA rifle I have is a mere .22. ??

--
Sent from my iPhone 6+


Mobsters sometimes use a 22 during hits. You'd probably know why
better than I.
I



I used to wonder if you were as stupid as most of your posts here read.
I don't wonder anymore about that. Do you know the difference between a
.22LR rifle and a .22LR pistol?

It is mind-boggling to reflect upon the fact that you were judged
intellectually capable of being in the U.S. Navy.

Harry, read it again before you start thrashing out in such an aimless fashion. You didn't take the time to notice that his comment had nothing to do with the implement, but the people who used that selected 22 caliber.


I always get a giggle over how you righties rush to aid your compadres,
no matter how stupid they are. Why would Justan Stupido bring up
"Mobsters sometimes use a 22 during hits," if the reference I offered
was to a .22LR rifle.

BTW, none of the "mobsters" I sorta knew used a .22LR firearm for hits.
Most of them carried a .38 "snubbie."

On 7/10/2016 12:39 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/10/16 11:32 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
The NRA is full of ****.

The Dallas shooter was a good guy with a gun until he wasn’t. The guns
and ammo were legally purchased. There were at least 20 “open carry�
guys present when the shooting started, and they all ran from the scene.
The victims were heavily armed and highly trained.

So much for the concept that there’s a benefit to “carrying� in an open
venue.

Oh, and did I miss the NRA’s comment on the death of the guy in
Minnesota who apparently was legally carrying and shot to death by the
cops? Or does the NRA only care about white folks who carry?


Another dumb post by a racist and loser.



Bilious, it is fashionable these days for white guys to accuse others of
"racism" when the latter point out the racism or possible racism of
whites or white-dominated groups. But that doesn't make the charge true.
It is simply a way for white guys to try to "transfer" their racism onto
those who accuse them of it.

The NRA and other nutcase groups frequently state that "if only more
people carried firearms...blah blah blah." Well, in Dallas there were
plenty of "civilians" open carrying firearms, and they all ran when the
shooting started.

And where is the comment from the NRA on the guy who apparently was
legally carrying and was shot by a cop? If the 2nd Amendment is suppose
to allow you to arm yourself so you can protect yourself from an
"overreaching" government, well, it doesn't seem to work, does it?


I wouldn't attempt a shootout with a guy with a high velocity, military
type rifle using my carry pistol. Would you?

On 7/10/16 6:23 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/10/2016 12:39 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/10/16 11:32 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
The NRA is full of ****.

The Dallas shooter was a good guy with a gun until he wasn’t. The guns
and ammo were legally purchased. There were at least 20 “open carry�
guys present when the shooting started, and they all ran from the
scene.
The victims were heavily armed and highly trained.

So much for the concept that there’s a benefit to “carrying� in an open
venue.

Oh, and did I miss the NRA’s comment on the death of the guy in
Minnesota who apparently was legally carrying and shot to death by the
cops? Or does the NRA only care about white folks who carry?


Another dumb post by a racist and loser.



Bilious, it is fashionable these days for white guys to accuse others of
"racism" when the latter point out the racism or possible racism of
whites or white-dominated groups. But that doesn't make the charge true.
It is simply a way for white guys to try to "transfer" their racism onto
those who accuse them of it.

The NRA and other nutcase groups frequently state that "if only more
people carried firearms...blah blah blah." Well, in Dallas there were
plenty of "civilians" open carrying firearms, and they all ran when the
shooting started.

And where is the comment from the NRA on the guy who apparently was
legally carrying and was shot by a cop? If the 2nd Amendment is suppose
to allow you to arm yourself so you can protect yourself from an
"overreaching" government, well, it doesn't seem to work, does it?


I wouldn't attempt a shootout with a guy with a high velocity, military
type rifle using my carry pistol. Would you?




News photos and reports showed some of the open carry morons carrying
semi-auto rifles. But that's not the point. The point is that the NRA
and other gun nutzies claim a "good citizen" carrying would stop a bad
guy shooting. That didn't happen in Dallas, and it typically doesn't
happen. A carry firearm might help you defend yourself, if you can get
to it in time and if you can shoot and if you get a shot. It's hardly a
weapon to shut down a crazy dude or a terrorist or terrorists who have
you outgunned and who don't care about their personal safety. What the
NRA promotes in carry to protect others is mostly a canard.