wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 05:46:25 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Tuesday, July 19, 2016 at 7:46:13 AM UTC-4, True North wrote:

On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 19:56:24 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:
- show quoted text -
"If they eat enough to seriously stress the population, they will
simply stop eating it.


I am running into that problem with ants as we speak. I have "crazy
ants" in the house now and these are crazier than most. I don't ever
see them eating anything so baiting is not an option. Perimeter sprays
really only do so much and I really think they are living under the
slab. I don't see then outside anywhere and I have sprayed the outside
around the house.
These guys are really strange. They actually run and hide from you.
They act more like German roaches than ants. If you turn the lights on
you see some but in a few seconds they all disappear.
I saw them in a doughnut box and I thought I had them but they were
not eating the doughnuts, they were just hiding in the box. I left one
out on the counter all day and they never touched it. If I can find
out what they will eat, I can get them. So far, no joy.
I am working on trying to get every penetration in the slab but that
is tough since some are inside the walls, not really near anything I
can get to. They will just pop up somewhere else if you can't kill the
queen anyway. This is the longest I have ever gone without figuring
out what my ants eat and baiting them.
It has been over 20 years since I found a commercial bait that they
would touch. I also have not seen a sugar eating ant in about that
long. These guys can get very selective. The last time I saw an ant
eating anything, it was a dead bug and I think the poison that killed
the bug, killed them so now they don't eat dead bugs.
I guess that is how they survived a few million years."


Our curse is fire ants. Trouble with living in a major port is that
critters hitch hike here from all over.
These ants only infest certain blocks and mine is one for the last
dozen years where the people across the street don't have them. The
experts claim you can trace their progress from the Northend container
pier to the southern. Very hard to kill off due to multiple queens.

Ortho Orthene is the best stuff I've found for killing fire ants. Don't
know if you can get it up there. Unlike the stuff like Amdro, it
doesn't even warn you to not disturb the mound when you apply. But
we're not infested, just have an occasional mound pop up. I don't think
they like our heavy clay soil.

Orthene was what I used on the fire ants here but the ants I have now
don't have mounds to treat. I think they live under concrete slabs and
just pop up through any available penetration or crack. I never see a
mound and treating the edges and penetrations just moves them around.
I am using bifen now, based on advice from the home repair NG.
Lambda-Cyhalothrin based stuff was pretty good but I guess somebody
decided it was too good because HD/Lowes doesn't sell it anymore here.


Sort of like Clordane. Sprayed the foundation of my first house in 1969
and when we left 10 years later, we still had not had an ant invasion.
Here, we have Argentine ants mostly. Years ago, before them, the ants self
limited somewhat as one ant hill, would attack another colony. They figure
Argentine's are a single colony as the DNA is the same. Terro seems to
work on them.

justan wrote:
Tim Wrote in message:
On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 8:09:35 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 14:46:13 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

Someone else must have gotten the rat...no sign of him for a couple of months.

Trust me, he is still around, with plenty of friends. There is a
formula for rats. If you see one at night, you have a bunch. If you
see one in the daytime, you have a ****load. Rats are tough and it is
real hard to get rid of them.
I haven't seen a Rattus norvegicus here but we have lots of Rattus
rattus (AKA roof rats, tree rats, fruit rats or "palmetto" squirrels).
I know better than to think I can eliminate them but I do keep a bait
station in the boat house. Based on the bait I go through, there must
be a lot of dead ones somewhere ... or they have developed an immunity
to it. I have had them chewing up the boat wiring from time to time.
If one gets into the console, it is a mess. The last time it was my
fault. I did not have the door closed tight and it popped open.
I have also had them hiding on the boat and Mr Ed flushes them out.
That is exciting until they jump in the water. A rat running around
being chased by a 112 pound dog. Auggie Doggie was better at it.
Occasionally he could catch it, kill it and bring it to you. Louie
(the dachshund mix) was deadly on them. If they didn't get overboard
right away they were dead.

On the old farm place I run though a lot of bait too. concerning
immunity yes I suppose it can happen. I switch brands ever so often for that possibility.


There's no immunity from a snap trap.

We had snap mouse traps and they tripped and no mouse. Went to rat trap
and was a roof rat, that was to big for the mouse trap.

On Tuesday, July 19, 2016 at 12:46:16 PM UTC-4, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 05:46:25 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Tuesday, July 19, 2016 at 7:46:13 AM UTC-4, True North wrote:

On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 19:56:24 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:
- show quoted text -
"If they eat enough to seriously stress the population, they will
simply stop eating it.


I am running into that problem with ants as we speak. I have "crazy
ants" in the house now and these are crazier than most. I don't ever
see them eating anything so baiting is not an option. Perimeter sprays
really only do so much and I really think they are living under the
slab. I don't see then outside anywhere and I have sprayed the outside
around the house.
These guys are really strange. They actually run and hide from you.
They act more like German roaches than ants. If you turn the lights on
you see some but in a few seconds they all disappear.
I saw them in a doughnut box and I thought I had them but they were
not eating the doughnuts, they were just hiding in the box. I left one
out on the counter all day and they never touched it. If I can find
out what they will eat, I can get them. So far, no joy.
I am working on trying to get every penetration in the slab but that
is tough since some are inside the walls, not really near anything I
can get to. They will just pop up somewhere else if you can't kill the
queen anyway. This is the longest I have ever gone without figuring
out what my ants eat and baiting them.
It has been over 20 years since I found a commercial bait that they
would touch. I also have not seen a sugar eating ant in about that
long. These guys can get very selective. The last time I saw an ant
eating anything, it was a dead bug and I think the poison that killed
the bug, killed them so now they don't eat dead bugs.
I guess that is how they survived a few million years."


Our curse is fire ants. Trouble with living in a major port is that
critters hitch hike here from all over.
These ants only infest certain blocks and mine is one for the last
dozen years where the people across the street don't have them. The
experts claim you can trace their progress from the Northend container
pier to the southern. Very hard to kill off due to multiple queens.

Ortho Orthene is the best stuff I've found for killing fire ants. Don't
know if you can get it up there. Unlike the stuff like Amdro, it
doesn't even warn you to not disturb the mound when you apply. But
we're not infested, just have an occasional mound pop up. I don't think
they like our heavy clay soil.

Orthene was what I used on the fire ants here but the ants I have now
don't have mounds to treat. I think they live under concrete slabs and
just pop up through any available penetration or crack. I never see a
mound and treating the edges and penetrations just moves them around.
I am using bifen now, based on advice from the home repair NG.
Lambda-Cyhalothrin based stuff was pretty good but I guess somebody
decided it was too good because HD/Lowes doesn't sell it anymore here.


Sort of like Clordane. Sprayed the foundation of my first house in 1969
and when we left 10 years later, we still had not had an ant invasion.
Here, we have Argentine ants mostly. Years ago, before them, the ants self
limited somewhat as one ant hill, would attack another colony. They figure
Argentine's are a single colony as the DNA is the same. Terro seems to
work on them.

I still have about 1/2 gallon of Clordane. Nasty stuff, but it works.

11:24 AMjustan
Tim Wrote in message:
On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 8:09:35 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 14:46:13 -0700 (PDT), True North
- hide quoted text -
wrote:

Someone else must have gotten the rat...no sign of him for a couple of months.

Trust me, he is still around, with plenty of friends. There is a
formula for rats. If you see one at night, you have a bunch. If you
see one in the daytime, you have a ****load. Rats are tough and it is
real hard to get rid of them.
I haven't seen a Rattus norvegicus here but we have lots of Rattus
rattus (AKA roof rats, tree rats, fruit rats or "palmetto" squirrels).
I know better than to think I can eliminate them but I do keep a bait
station in the boat house. Based on the bait I go through, there must
be a lot of dead ones somewhere ... or they have developed an immunity
to it. I have had them chewing up the boat wiring from time to time.
If one gets into the console, it is a mess. The last time it was my
fault. I did not have the door closed tight and it popped open.
I have also had them hiding on the boat and Mr Ed flushes them out.
That is exciting until they jump in the water. A rat running around
being chased by a 112 pound dog. Auggie Doggie was better at it.
Occasionally he could catch it, kill it and bring it to you. Louie
(the dachshund mix) was deadly on them. If they didn't get overboard
right away they were dead.

On the old farm place I run though a lot of bait too. concerning immunity yes I suppose it can happen. I switch brands ever so often for that possibility.


There's no immunity from a snap trap.
--
very true, but that's one at a time . I want murder by the masses.

Besides, the old saying is true. " the early bird may get the worm, but it's the second mouse that gets the cheese..."

On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 12:27:14 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

Wrote in message:
On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 19:56:24 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 8:09:35 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 14:46:13 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

Someone else must have gotten the rat...no sign of him for a couple of months.

Trust me, he is still around, with plenty of friends. There is a
formula for rats. If you see one at night, you have a bunch. If you
see one in the daytime, you have a ****load. Rats are tough and it is
real hard to get rid of them.
I haven't seen a Rattus norvegicus here but we have lots of Rattus
rattus (AKA roof rats, tree rats, fruit rats or "palmetto" squirrels).
I know better than to think I can eliminate them but I do keep a bait
station in the boat house. Based on the bait I go through, there must
be a lot of dead ones somewhere ... or they have developed an immunity
to it. I have had them chewing up the boat wiring from time to time.
If one gets into the console, it is a mess. The last time it was my
fault. I did not have the door closed tight and it popped open.
I have also had them hiding on the boat and Mr Ed flushes them out.
That is exciting until they jump in the water. A rat running around
being chased by a 112 pound dog. Auggie Doggie was better at it.
Occasionally he could catch it, kill it and bring it to you. Louie
(the dachshund mix) was deadly on them. If they didn't get overboard
right away they were dead.

On the old farm place I run though a lot of bait too. concerning immunity yes I suppose it can happen. I switch brands ever so often for that possibility.

If they eat enough to seriously stress the population, they will
simply stop eating it.


I am running into that problem with ants as we speak. I have "crazy
ants" in the house now and these are crazier than most. I don't ever
see them eating anything so baiting is not an option. Perimeter sprays
really only do so much and I really think they are living under the
slab. I don't see then outside anywhere and I have sprayed the outside
around the house.
These guys are really strange. They actually run and hide from you.
They act more like German roaches than ants. If you turn the lights on
you see some but in a few seconds they all disappear.
I saw them in a doughnut box and I thought I had them but they were
not eating the doughnuts, they were just hiding in the box. I left one
out on the counter all day and they never touched it. If I can find
out what they will eat, I can get them. So far, no joy.
I am working on trying to get every penetration in the slab but that
is tough since some are inside the walls, not really near anything I
can get to. They will just pop up somewhere else if you can't kill the
queen anyway. This is the longest I have ever gone without figuring
out what my ants eat and baiting them.
It has been over 20 years since I found a commercial bait that they
would touch. I also have not seen a sugar eating ant in about that
long. These guys can get very selective. The last time I saw an ant
eating anything, it was a dead bug and I think the poison that killed
the bug, killed them so now they don't eat dead bugs.
I guess that is how they survived a few million years.


Terro borax drops for the tiny ants. One or two drops in their
pathway and they are gone.

That only works if they eat it and these guys do not eat sugar

On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 12:30:02 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

Florida fire ants in Kanada? They must have lost their way.

They just hitch hiked home with the millions of Canadians who come
here every winter, probably on the pads of their Winnebago

On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 16:18:08 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 12:30:02 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

Florida fire ants in Kanada? They must have lost their way.

They just hitch hiked home with the millions of Canadians who come
here every winter, probably on the pads of their Winnebago

We spray our pads and tires whenever camping or storing.

On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 11:46:10 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

Terro seems to
work on them.

Any bait, will only work as long as they eat it. These guys are so far
past anything in a commercial bait, it is totally useless.
I can kill them if I can just figure out what they will eat.
They got so selective that they would only eat dog food that the dog
had chewed on. I baited with that and now those ants are gone. More
came back and they won't eat that.
I did find them feeding on a dirty dinner plate but I could not figure
out what they liked. I tried to duplicate it and ... nothing.
We are finding out here in Florida that most things people "know"
about ants, may not be true. Other colonies will take in "orphan"
ants. Some colonies have multiple queens and they have multiple,
different, food streams. If one group dies, the others will not eat
that food. This place is the perfect laboratory for ants. It is a 12
month season, the ground is perfect for tunneling and we have a big
influx of exotic species.

On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 12:11:53 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 05:46:25 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Tuesday, July 19, 2016 at 7:46:13 AM UTC-4, True North wrote:

On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 19:56:24 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:
- show quoted text -
"If they eat enough to seriously stress the population, they will
simply stop eating it.


I am running into that problem with ants as we speak. I have "crazy
ants" in the house now and these are crazier than most. I don't ever
see them eating anything so baiting is not an option. Perimeter sprays
really only do so much and I really think they are living under the
slab. I don't see then outside anywhere and I have sprayed the outside
around the house.
These guys are really strange. They actually run and hide from you.
They act more like German roaches than ants. If you turn the lights on
you see some but in a few seconds they all disappear.
I saw them in a doughnut box and I thought I had them but they were
not eating the doughnuts, they were just hiding in the box. I left one
out on the counter all day and they never touched it. If I can find
out what they will eat, I can get them. So far, no joy.
I am working on trying to get every penetration in the slab but that
is tough since some are inside the walls, not really near anything I
can get to. They will just pop up somewhere else if you can't kill the
queen anyway. This is the longest I have ever gone without figuring
out what my ants eat and baiting them.
It has been over 20 years since I found a commercial bait that they
would touch. I also have not seen a sugar eating ant in about that
long. These guys can get very selective. The last time I saw an ant
eating anything, it was a dead bug and I think the poison that killed
the bug, killed them so now they don't eat dead bugs.
I guess that is how they survived a few million years."


Our curse is fire ants. Trouble with living in a major port is that critters hitch hike here from all over.
These ants only infest certain blocks and mine is one for the last dozen years where the people across the street don't have them. The experts claim you can trace their progress from the Northend container pier to the southern. Very hard to kill off due to multiple queens.

Ortho Orthene is the best stuff I've found for killing fire ants. Don't know if you can get it up there. Unlike the stuff like Amdro, it doesn't even warn you to not disturb the mound when you apply. But we're not infested, just have an occasional mound pop up. I don't think they like our heavy clay soil.

Orthene was what I used on the fire ants here but the ants I have now
don't have mounds to treat. I think they live under concrete slabs and
just pop up through any available penetration or crack. I never see a
mound and treating the edges and penetrations just moves them around.
I am using bifen now, based on advice from the home repair NG.
Lambda-Cyhalothrin based stuff was pretty good but I guess somebody
decided it was too good because HD/Lowes doesn't sell it anymore here.

Amazon does.

https://smile.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb...da-Cyhalothrin

On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 12:24:10 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

Tim Wrote in message:
On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 8:09:35 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 14:46:13 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

Someone else must have gotten the rat...no sign of him for a couple of months.

Trust me, he is still around, with plenty of friends. There is a
formula for rats. If you see one at night, you have a bunch. If you
see one in the daytime, you have a ****load. Rats are tough and it is
real hard to get rid of them.
I haven't seen a Rattus norvegicus here but we have lots of Rattus
rattus (AKA roof rats, tree rats, fruit rats or "palmetto" squirrels).
I know better than to think I can eliminate them but I do keep a bait
station in the boat house. Based on the bait I go through, there must
be a lot of dead ones somewhere ... or they have developed an immunity
to it. I have had them chewing up the boat wiring from time to time.
If one gets into the console, it is a mess. The last time it was my
fault. I did not have the door closed tight and it popped open.
I have also had them hiding on the boat and Mr Ed flushes them out.
That is exciting until they jump in the water. A rat running around
being chased by a 112 pound dog. Auggie Doggie was better at it.
Occasionally he could catch it, kill it and bring it to you. Louie
(the dachshund mix) was deadly on them. If they didn't get overboard
right away they were dead.

On the old farm place I run though a lot of bait too. concerning immunity yes I suppose it can happen. I switch brands ever so often for that possibility.


There's no immunity from a snap trap.

I haven't tried those for the chipmunks yet. Might give it a shot. Probably do a job on squirrels
though...and the damn cowbirds.