On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 18:24:47 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Sunday, August 14, 2016 at 7:02:04 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote:

Oh, I thought the subject included trustworthiness of data. I have a
feeling the data from the DOL is more trustworthy than what the
perpetrators of religious superstition offer.

Maybe that's what you get for thinking. read it again.


Not at all.You just have to understand democratism is a religion to
Harry and he has blind faith in everything they say.
He even believes the Clintons who are the Jim and Tammy Faye of
politics.

On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 22:03:03 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/14/16 8:20 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 19:57:21 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

You're really overgeneralizing in your first sentence. How many
undergrad, grad, and post-grad stats courses have you taken?

I have a whole lot of training in database analysis along with a few
decades of actual experience running numbers that my company was
betting millions on. Sitting in a room listening to some old fart
telling me how they did things with paper records, pencils and
mechanical calculators does not interest me.

My lovely wife took several stats courses as an undergrad, many more as
a grad student, and even more as a doctoral student. The latter were
taught by university math professors and held at the College of
Engineering. Pretty heavy math and studies in interpretation, database
analysis and more. I don't recall her mentioning paper records, pencils,
and calculators. She did use a couple of computer stats courses, though.
Upon completing her doctoral course work, she had to take and pass a
three day written examination that included doctoral level statistical
work and after that, a day of oral exam by a handful of professors,
including two from another institution and I believe one of those guys
was a math professor.


Now, me, I can do some math, but anything beyond really simple stats is
beyond my knowledge and probably ability.

What does that have to do with cooking the books on the unemployment
rate? Is it just the way they learn how to rationalize a bogus number?

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On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 20:41:02 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 20:02:01 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

Oh, I thought the subject included trustworthiness of data. I have a
feeling the data from the DOL is more trustworthy than what the
perpetrators of religious superstition offer.


You can't really compare the two. The country does not make fiscal
policy based on whether Noah had a boat


Trustworthy data, remember?

The difference is the cost.
I do find it interesting that you will fight over a bible story about
Jesus curing a leper but when it is a Torah story about god promising
Moses Palestine for any Jew who can make it there, forever, you take
it as gospel.
If one is a fairy tale, both are.


I don't remember reading about that Moses story. Can you cite a verse?

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On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 22:24:14 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 20:41:02 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 20:02:01 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

Oh, I thought the subject included trustworthiness of data. I have a
feeling the data from the DOL is more trustworthy than what the
perpetrators of religious superstition offer.


You can't really compare the two. The country does not make fiscal
policy based on whether Noah had a boat


Trustworthy data, remember?

The difference is the cost.
I do find it interesting that you will fight over a bible story about
Jesus curing a leper but when it is a Torah story about god promising
Moses Palestine for any Jew who can make it there, forever, you take
it as gospel.
If one is a fairy tale, both are.


I don't remember reading about that Moses story. Can you cite a verse?

Dunno Ask the eastern Europeans who said they were "promised" that
land in 1946-48. I never believed it and did not try to find a cite.
(probably in Exodus somewhere) Your standing excuse that there have
been Jews there since Moses does not explain why people living in
Europe for the last 1000 years have a claim, simply based on their
"imaginary friend" (your words, not mine). It really gets ridiculous
when Americans or Russians say they have a spot picked out on the West
Bank.

On 8/14/2016 10:03 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/14/16 8:20 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 19:57:21 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

You're really overgeneralizing in your first sentence. How many
undergrad, grad, and post-grad stats courses have you taken?

I have a whole lot of training in database analysis along with a few
decades of actual experience running numbers that my company was
betting millions on. Sitting in a room listening to some old fart
telling me how they did things with paper records, pencils and
mechanical calculators does not interest me.

My lovely wife took several stats courses as an undergrad, many more as
a grad student, and even more as a doctoral student. The latter were
taught by university math professors and held at the College of
Engineering. Pretty heavy math and studies in interpretation, database
analysis and more. I don't recall her mentioning paper records, pencils,
and calculators. She did use a couple of computer stats courses, though.
Upon completing her doctoral course work, she had to take and pass a
three day written examination that included doctoral level statistical
work and after that, a day of oral exam by a handful of professors,
including two from another institution and I believe one of those guys
was a math professor.


Now, me, I can do some math, but anything beyond really simple stats is
beyond my knowledge and probably ability.


Heh. Yet, you are so quick to criticize Greg with regard to his
qualifications to analyze and interpret statistical data.

Maybe someday it will occur to you that the number of college degrees
one holds is *not* the most significant achievement in life.

On 8/14/2016 8:04 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/14/16 8:01 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 19:41:48 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:


Well, Tim, you implied government figures were not trustworthy. I don't
believe much of what churches or corporations tell us is trustworthy.

It really depends on what you are talking about. There are plenty of
government agencies going over corporate books and stockholder reports
with a fine tooth comb, When they misrepresent products, the lawyers
are all over them, along with regulatory agencies. You certainly have
to take some advertising with a grain of salt but you know more about
that than us since you live in the belly of the beast.

Churches just preach to the converted so they are not talking to you
in the first place. Why would you care what they say ... unless it
starts middle east wars? You seem to accept those claims as gospel.




If the churches in this country kept their preaching, rule-making,
hate-spewing, and attempted rule-making to themselves and their
followers, I'd ignore them.


I feel the same way about most progressive, liberal Democrats who spew
their "messages" today. Compared to them people like JFK was a
card-carrying Republican.

On 8/14/2016 10:03 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/14/16 8:20 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 19:57:21 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

You're really overgeneralizing in your first sentence. How many
undergrad, grad, and post-grad stats courses have you taken?

I have a whole lot of training in database analysis along with a few
decades of actual experience running numbers that my company was
betting millions on. Sitting in a room listening to some old fart
telling me how they did things with paper records, pencils and
mechanical calculators does not interest me.

My lovely wife took several stats courses as an undergrad, many more as
a grad student, and even more as a doctoral student. The latter were
taught by university math professors and held at the College of
Engineering. Pretty heavy math and studies in interpretation, database
analysis and more. I don't recall her mentioning paper records, pencils,
and calculators. She did use a couple of computer stats courses, though.
Upon completing her doctoral course work, she had to take and pass a
three day written examination that included doctoral level statistical
work and after that, a day of oral exam by a handful of professors,
including two from another institution and I believe one of those guys
was a math professor.


Now, me, I can do some math, but anything beyond really simple stats is
beyond my knowledge and probably ability.


I'm glad you cleared that up.I thought you were bragging on yourself for
taking all those courses. We know that you don't have the math or
analytical skills to manage even the simplest household finances.

On 8/14/2016 9:56 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 20:41:02 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 20:02:01 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

Oh, I thought the subject included trustworthiness of data. I have a
feeling the data from the DOL is more trustworthy than what the
perpetrators of religious superstition offer.


You can't really compare the two. The country does not make fiscal
policy based on whether Noah had a boat


Trustworthy data, remember?

The difference is the cost.
I do find it interesting that you will fight over a bible story about
Jesus curing a leper but when it is a Torah story about god promising
Moses Palestine for any Jew who can make it there, forever, you take
it as gospel.
If one is a fairy tale, both are.

You might be onto something. Do you suppose Krause was brought up Jewish?

On 8/15/2016 7:48 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/14/2016 10:03 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/14/16 8:20 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 19:57:21 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

You're really overgeneralizing in your first sentence. How many
undergrad, grad, and post-grad stats courses have you taken?

I have a whole lot of training in database analysis along with a few
decades of actual experience running numbers that my company was
betting millions on. Sitting in a room listening to some old fart
telling me how they did things with paper records, pencils and
mechanical calculators does not interest me.

My lovely wife took several stats courses as an undergrad, many more as
a grad student, and even more as a doctoral student. The latter were
taught by university math professors and held at the College of
Engineering. Pretty heavy math and studies in interpretation, database
analysis and more. I don't recall her mentioning paper records, pencils,
and calculators. She did use a couple of computer stats courses, though.
Upon completing her doctoral course work, she had to take and pass a
three day written examination that included doctoral level statistical
work and after that, a day of oral exam by a handful of professors,
including two from another institution and I believe one of those guys
was a math professor.


Now, me, I can do some math, but anything beyond really simple stats is
beyond my knowledge and probably ability.


Heh. Yet, you are so quick to criticize Greg with regard to his
qualifications to analyze and interpret statistical data.

Maybe someday it will occur to you that the number of college degrees
one holds is *not* the most significant achievement in life.


If you had to guess, by their postings, between Krause and Greg, which
one is the college graduate, I'd bet you'd guess wrong.

On 8/15/16 7:48 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/14/2016 10:03 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/14/16 8:20 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 19:57:21 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

You're really overgeneralizing in your first sentence. How many
undergrad, grad, and post-grad stats courses have you taken?

I have a whole lot of training in database analysis along with a few
decades of actual experience running numbers that my company was
betting millions on. Sitting in a room listening to some old fart
telling me how they did things with paper records, pencils and
mechanical calculators does not interest me.

My lovely wife took several stats courses as an undergrad, many more as
a grad student, and even more as a doctoral student. The latter were
taught by university math professors and held at the College of
Engineering. Pretty heavy math and studies in interpretation, database
analysis and more. I don't recall her mentioning paper records, pencils,
and calculators. She did use a couple of computer stats courses, though.
Upon completing her doctoral course work, she had to take and pass a
three day written examination that included doctoral level statistical
work and after that, a day of oral exam by a handful of professors,
including two from another institution and I believe one of those guys
was a math professor.


Now, me, I can do some math, but anything beyond really simple stats is
beyond my knowledge and probably ability.


Heh. Yet, you are so quick to criticize Greg with regard to his
qualifications to analyze and interpret statistical data.

Maybe someday it will occur to you that the number of college degrees
one holds is *not* the most significant achievement in life.




I'm impressed by experts who are taught and learn the fundamentals, and
then progressively add more knowledge and experience through disciplined
teaching, study and practice.