On Mon, 5 Sep 2016 11:06:20 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

You still don't get it. The libertarian view is not that these things
are totally unregulated, just that the regulation is not so oppressive
as to shut out competition.

As for the "Taco Truck" reference, it is just silly. The illegal is
already there, cutting the grass.


Oh, your assumption is that if Mexicans are working here, they are
illegals. Right, I get it. I'll be sure to share that with the Mexican
landscaper whose services I use several times a year, along with his
sons and sons-in-law, all legal, and with my Mexican friends who own and
operate a chain of Mexican restaurants, where all the owners and
employees are legal.


You are too short boy, the fast ones go over your head - Foghorn
Leghorn
No, the point is if someone is illegal they will be relegated to the
worst, off the books, cash jobs and they tend to be digging or cutting
grass.


As for the "libertarian view," get back to me when the libertarians win
some federal elections. Until that happens and in significant numbers,
the libertarian view has no more clout than the Rosicrucian view.

They will start winning as soon as people start thinking the Ds and
the Rs are not everything available and this is the cycle to do it.
You are a red dog democrat and you admit Hillary is not the best
candidate they could come up with. Then there is Trump that mainstream
republicans are leaving skid marks trying to get away from. There is a
hole in the middle that someone should fill, even if he doesn't win.
As I said, these are not a couple hippies with their hair on fire. We
are talking about 2 moderate governors from rational states.

What do you have to lose?

On 9/5/16 7:18 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 5 Sep 2016 11:06:20 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

You still don't get it. The libertarian view is not that these things
are totally unregulated, just that the regulation is not so oppressive
as to shut out competition.

As for the "Taco Truck" reference, it is just silly. The illegal is
already there, cutting the grass.


Oh, your assumption is that if Mexicans are working here, they are
illegals. Right, I get it. I'll be sure to share that with the Mexican
landscaper whose services I use several times a year, along with his
sons and sons-in-law, all legal, and with my Mexican friends who own and
operate a chain of Mexican restaurants, where all the owners and
employees are legal.


You are too short boy, the fast ones go over your head - Foghorn
Leghorn
No, the point is if someone is illegal they will be relegated to the
worst, off the books, cash jobs and they tend to be digging or cutting
grass.


Hey, it is tough work. I'm glad there are some people willing to do it.



As for the "libertarian view," get back to me when the libertarians win
some federal elections. Until that happens and in significant numbers,
the libertarian view has no more clout than the Rosicrucian view.

They will start winning as soon as people start thinking the Ds and
the Rs are not everything available and this is the cycle to do it.
You are a red dog democrat and you admit Hillary is not the best
candidate they could come up with. Then there is Trump that mainstream
republicans are leaving skid marks trying to get away from. There is a
hole in the middle that someone should fill, even if he doesn't win.
As I said, these are not a couple hippies with their hair on fire. We
are talking about 2 moderate governors from rational states.

What do you have to lose?


Everything. The Libertarians are nothing more than Republicans who have
less social conscience than the mainstream Republicans of old, but with
less social conscience. I've read Johnson's party platform...it's pretty
much the way it was the last time around, and it is a horror story in
many regards. Your Libertarian candidates are not guys in the middle.

I don't admit that Hillary is not the best candidate the party could
come up with. There were only three candidates from which to choose, and
she is by far the best.

On Mon, 05 Sep 2016 13:44:24 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 05 Sep 2016 11:08:43 -0400, wrote:

We used to have a real Mexican restaurant in Ft Myers
that was great but the owners got too old to run it and they closed.

===

Which restaurant was that?
Casa Lupita

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/5/16 7:18 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 5 Sep 2016 11:06:20 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

You still don't get it. The libertarian view is not that these things
are totally unregulated, just that the regulation is not so oppressive
as to shut out competition.

As for the "Taco Truck" reference, it is just silly. The illegal is
already there, cutting the grass.


Oh, your assumption is that if Mexicans are working here, they are
illegals. Right, I get it. I'll be sure to share that with the Mexican
landscaper whose services I use several times a year, along with his
sons and sons-in-law, all legal, and with my Mexican friends who own and
operate a chain of Mexican restaurants, where all the owners and
employees are legal.


You are too short boy, the fast ones go over your head - Foghorn
Leghorn
No, the point is if someone is illegal they will be relegated to the
worst, off the books, cash jobs and they tend to be digging or cutting
grass.


Hey, it is tough work. I'm glad there are some people willing to do it.



As for the "libertarian view," get back to me when the libertarians win
some federal elections. Until that happens and in significant numbers,
the libertarian view has no more clout than the Rosicrucian view.

They will start winning as soon as people start thinking the Ds and
the Rs are not everything available and this is the cycle to do it.
You are a red dog democrat and you admit Hillary is not the best
candidate they could come up with. Then there is Trump that mainstream
republicans are leaving skid marks trying to get away from. There is a
hole in the middle that someone should fill, even if he doesn't win.
As I said, these are not a couple hippies with their hair on fire. We
are talking about 2 moderate governors from rational states.

What do you have to lose?


Everything. The Libertarians are nothing more than Republicans who have
less social conscience than the mainstream Republicans of old, but with
less social conscience. I've read Johnson's party platform...it's pretty
much the way it was the last time around, and it is a horror story in
many regards. Your Libertarian candidates are not guys in the middle.

I don't admit that Hillary is not the best candidate the party could
come up with. There were only three candidates from which to choose, and
she is by far the best.



Your idea of a guy in the middle is The Berne.

On Mon, 5 Sep 2016 14:43:00 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 9/5/16 12:20 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 5 Sep 2016 10:49:59 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 9/5/16 1:40 AM, wrote:
The Sunday shows had the original comment and a lot of comments but I
am still not sure I get it. What were they trying to say?
If you don't want a taco truck going down your street, vote for the
democrats. They are the ones who would regulate that guy off the
street.
You can bet your ass code enforcement would run any kind of food truck
off the street Hillary lives on in Chappaqua.
OTOH I bet there is a 3d worlder running a hot dog stand in front of
Trump tower.
Gary would make it easier for a Mexican immigrant to set up a taco
truck.


No, you don't get it, The latino Trump supporter was claiming that his
Mexican culture was dominant and that it would take over up here and as
a result, we would have a taco truck on every corner. The taco truck
reference was not literal but figurative. We snarky dems saw his claim
as something at which to giggle, though for the foodies among us, more
taco trucks might be something we'd like. I don't believe the
Libertarian concept of more unlicensed food vendors is part of it.
BTW
"Taco" is far from my favorite Mexican food. I don't really like them
much. A real quesadilla or a good burrito is OK but good enchiladas
are my favorite. We used to have a real Mexican restaurant in Ft Myers
that was great but the owners got too old to run it and they closed.
Now we are left with American restaurants with a Mexican flair. (what
most people call "Mexican")


We have lots of taco trucks around here. Both Latinos and non Latinos
frequent them, also lots of great Mexican restaurants. We also have lots
of illegals and anchor babies in California. Biggest percentage of births
in San Diego are illegal moms who cross the border to have a baby in the
USA. Who pays for those births? Not the Federal Government, who should be
controlling immigration. The answer to illegals is easy. Issue work
permits. Worked from 1942 to 1964 or so. The reason we have so many
illegal workers here, is they work. Why work when as a welfare collector,
you get medical, and the equivalent of about $39,000 a year income, plus
you have time to work under the table. We do not question the status of
most workers who cut lawns, etc. my Mexican mow and blow guys, show up
each Saturday and do a great job. The white guy I had at one time for some
yard cleaning may or may not show up. Mexican tacos are good. Not like
those from Taco Bell. Personally I like Chile Verde, or enchiladas with
Verde sauce.



The last article I saw on welfare payments in California indicated the
max payment for a family of four was about $800, or about $10,000 a
year. I appreciate there are other benefits, but I don't see how you get
from there to $39,000.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Welfare.JPG

On Mon, 5 Sep 2016 19:24:37 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 9/5/16 7:18 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 5 Sep 2016 11:06:20 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

You still don't get it. The libertarian view is not that these things
are totally unregulated, just that the regulation is not so oppressive
as to shut out competition.

As for the "Taco Truck" reference, it is just silly. The illegal is
already there, cutting the grass.


Oh, your assumption is that if Mexicans are working here, they are
illegals. Right, I get it. I'll be sure to share that with the Mexican
landscaper whose services I use several times a year, along with his
sons and sons-in-law, all legal, and with my Mexican friends who own and
operate a chain of Mexican restaurants, where all the owners and
employees are legal.


You are too short boy, the fast ones go over your head - Foghorn
Leghorn
No, the point is if someone is illegal they will be relegated to the
worst, off the books, cash jobs and they tend to be digging or cutting
grass.


Hey, it is tough work. I'm glad there are some people willing to do it.

I am not the guy to argue this. As long as they want to work, welcome
to America. It is the second generation Bill is talking about that
worries people.

As for the "libertarian view," get back to me when the libertarians win
some federal elections. Until that happens and in significant numbers,
the libertarian view has no more clout than the Rosicrucian view.

They will start winning as soon as people start thinking the Ds and
the Rs are not everything available and this is the cycle to do it.
You are a red dog democrat and you admit Hillary is not the best
candidate they could come up with. Then there is Trump that mainstream
republicans are leaving skid marks trying to get away from. There is a
hole in the middle that someone should fill, even if he doesn't win.
As I said, these are not a couple hippies with their hair on fire. We
are talking about 2 moderate governors from rational states.

What do you have to lose?


Everything. The Libertarians are nothing more than Republicans who have
less social conscience than the mainstream Republicans of old, but with
less social conscience. I've read Johnson's party platform...it's pretty
much the way it was the last time around, and it is a horror story in
many regards. Your Libertarian candidates are not guys in the middle.

I don't admit that Hillary is not the best candidate the party could
come up with. There were only three candidates from which to choose, and
she is by far the best.

We have a congress that will be sure Johnson and Weld don't fire all
the health inspectors and sell Yellowstone to the Koch brothers but
they do have a track record in New Mexico and Massachusetts that we
can look at, They will end up looking better than Trump or Hillary if
you look.

On Mon, 05 Sep 2016 19:35:05 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 05 Sep 2016 13:44:24 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 05 Sep 2016 11:08:43 -0400, wrote:

We used to have a real Mexican restaurant in Ft Myers
that was great but the owners got too old to run it and they closed.

===

Which restaurant was that?
Casa Lupita

===

Didn't know about that one. There used to be a place on College Pkwy
that had decent Fajitas but I don't remember the name.

On Mon, 05 Sep 2016 21:07:44 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 05 Sep 2016 19:35:05 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 05 Sep 2016 13:44:24 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 05 Sep 2016 11:08:43 -0400, wrote:

We used to have a real Mexican restaurant in Ft Myers
that was great but the owners got too old to run it and they closed.

===

Which restaurant was that?
Casa Lupita

===

Didn't know about that one. There used to be a place on College Pkwy
that had decent Fajitas but I don't remember the name.

This was right down town. !st street, around Hendry. It was inside the
"block party" area if you were around for that.

Casa Guerra (not Lupita)

On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 6:24:42 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/5/16 7:18 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 5 Sep 2016 11:06:20 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

You still don't get it. The libertarian view is not that these things
are totally unregulated, just that the regulation is not so oppressive
as to shut out competition.

As for the "Taco Truck" reference, it is just silly. The illegal is
already there, cutting the grass.


Oh, your assumption is that if Mexicans are working here, they are
illegals. Right, I get it. I'll be sure to share that with the Mexican
landscaper whose services I use several times a year, along with his
sons and sons-in-law, all legal, and with my Mexican friends who own and
operate a chain of Mexican restaurants, where all the owners and
employees are legal.


You are too short boy, the fast ones go over your head - Foghorn
Leghorn
No, the point is if someone is illegal they will be relegated to the
worst, off the books, cash jobs and they tend to be digging or cutting
grass.


Hey, it is tough work. I'm glad there are some people willing to do it.



As for the "libertarian view," get back to me when the libertarians win
some federal elections. Until that happens and in significant numbers,
the libertarian view has no more clout than the Rosicrucian view.

They will start winning as soon as people start thinking the Ds and
the Rs are not everything available and this is the cycle to do it.
You are a red dog democrat and you admit Hillary is not the best
candidate they could come up with. Then there is Trump that mainstream
republicans are leaving skid marks trying to get away from. There is a
hole in the middle that someone should fill, even if he doesn't win.
As I said, these are not a couple hippies with their hair on fire. We
are talking about 2 moderate governors from rational states.

What do you have to lose?


Everything. The Libertarians are nothing more than Republicans who have
less social conscience than the mainstream Republicans of old, but with
less social conscience. I've read Johnson's party platform...it's pretty
much the way it was the last time around, and it is a horror story in
many regards. Your Libertarian candidates are not guys in the middle.

I don't admit that Hillary is not the best candidate the party could
come up with. There were only three candidates from which to choose, and
she is by far the best.

She is the best of the three? That's a sorry-ass state of affairs if there ever was one Krause.

Know wonder you up-skirt her every chance you get.

On 9/5/2016 10:49 PM, Tom Nofinger wrote:
On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 6:24:42 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/5/16 7:18 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 5 Sep 2016 11:06:20 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

You still don't get it. The libertarian view is not that these things
are totally unregulated, just that the regulation is not so oppressive
as to shut out competition.

As for the "Taco Truck" reference, it is just silly. The illegal is
already there, cutting the grass.


Oh, your assumption is that if Mexicans are working here, they are
illegals. Right, I get it. I'll be sure to share that with the Mexican
landscaper whose services I use several times a year, along with his
sons and sons-in-law, all legal, and with my Mexican friends who own and
operate a chain of Mexican restaurants, where all the owners and
employees are legal.


You are too short boy, the fast ones go over your head - Foghorn
Leghorn
No, the point is if someone is illegal they will be relegated to the
worst, off the books, cash jobs and they tend to be digging or cutting
grass.


Hey, it is tough work. I'm glad there are some people willing to do it.



As for the "libertarian view," get back to me when the libertarians win
some federal elections. Until that happens and in significant numbers,
the libertarian view has no more clout than the Rosicrucian view.

They will start winning as soon as people start thinking the Ds and
the Rs are not everything available and this is the cycle to do it.
You are a red dog democrat and you admit Hillary is not the best
candidate they could come up with. Then there is Trump that mainstream
republicans are leaving skid marks trying to get away from. There is a
hole in the middle that someone should fill, even if he doesn't win.
As I said, these are not a couple hippies with their hair on fire. We
are talking about 2 moderate governors from rational states.

What do you have to lose?


Everything. The Libertarians are nothing more than Republicans who have
less social conscience than the mainstream Republicans of old, but with
less social conscience. I've read Johnson's party platform...it's pretty
much the way it was the last time around, and it is a horror story in
many regards. Your Libertarian candidates are not guys in the middle.

I don't admit that Hillary is not the best candidate the party could
come up with. There were only three candidates from which to choose, and
she is by far the best.

She is the best of the three? That's a sorry-ass state of affairs if there ever was one Krause.

Know wonder you up-skirt her every chance you get.

Whoever the other two were, they must be really, really, really bad
scumbags if they made Hillery look attractive. It's too bad we have to
elect by process of elimination. Candidates should be touting their
merits and accomplishments instead of playing the blame game and
bragging that they are less awful than the other guy.