On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 01:00:58 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 27 Nov 2016 15:18:53 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Sun, 27 Nov 2016 12:30:59 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 27 Nov 2016 08:27:32 -0500, Poquito Loco
wrote:

If you get sand into a mechanism, you have to remove all the grease to clean it. The ultrasonic bath
excels at this task. My guns have thus far been spared, but I've used it to clean bicycle chains and
freewheels, as well as carburetors.

===

In basic training we used to get sand in the M-14 trigger mechanism
all the time. The unauthorized but effective cure was to wash it
under hot soapy water, rinse, dry, and re-oil immediately.

We washed our M-14 under hot (really hot) soapy water in OCS. Then we rinsed them in hot (really
hot) water. Each individual then waved the hot pieces around to air dry them. Worked well.

I think the hot soapy water thing started when they were using
corrosive ammo.

This was in the mid 60's. Don't know if the ammo was corrosive or not. Never heard that term
mentioned in the years I trained with the M-14.

Some of the Russian stuff, like the 7.62x54R for the Mosin Nagant, is very corrosive.

On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 06:18:50 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 01:00:58 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 27 Nov 2016 15:18:53 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Sun, 27 Nov 2016 12:30:59 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 27 Nov 2016 08:27:32 -0500, Poquito Loco
wrote:

If you get sand into a mechanism, you have to remove all the grease to clean it. The ultrasonic bath
excels at this task. My guns have thus far been spared, but I've used it to clean bicycle chains and
freewheels, as well as carburetors.

===

In basic training we used to get sand in the M-14 trigger mechanism
all the time. The unauthorized but effective cure was to wash it
under hot soapy water, rinse, dry, and re-oil immediately.

We washed our M-14 under hot (really hot) soapy water in OCS. Then we rinsed them in hot (really
hot) water. Each individual then waved the hot pieces around to air dry them. Worked well.

I think the hot soapy water thing started when they were using
corrosive ammo.

This was in the mid 60's. Don't know if the ammo was corrosive or not. Never heard that term
mentioned in the years I trained with the M-14.

Some of the Russian stuff, like the 7.62x54R for the Mosin Nagant, is very corrosive.

===

For us it was just a strategy for removing the gritty, sandy dust that
we were training in. Nothing else seemed to be nearly as effective as
hot soapy water.

On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 06:18:50 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 01:00:58 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 27 Nov 2016 15:18:53 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Sun, 27 Nov 2016 12:30:59 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 27 Nov 2016 08:27:32 -0500, Poquito Loco
wrote:

If you get sand into a mechanism, you have to remove all the grease to clean it. The ultrasonic bath
excels at this task. My guns have thus far been spared, but I've used it to clean bicycle chains and
freewheels, as well as carburetors.

===

In basic training we used to get sand in the M-14 trigger mechanism
all the time. The unauthorized but effective cure was to wash it
under hot soapy water, rinse, dry, and re-oil immediately.

We washed our M-14 under hot (really hot) soapy water in OCS. Then we rinsed them in hot (really
hot) water. Each individual then waved the hot pieces around to air dry them. Worked well.

I think the hot soapy water thing started when they were using
corrosive ammo.

This was in the mid 60's. Don't know if the ammo was corrosive or not. Never heard that term
mentioned in the years I trained with the M-14.

Some of the Russian stuff, like the 7.62x54R for the Mosin Nagant, is very corrosive.

I doubt there is any corrosive ammo in the US arsenal now but that
tradition of washing your service rifle in the shower is from at least
as far back as WWII because my father said that was what he did in
boot camp

If you want to dry it good. Hive it a good shot of brake-clean or better yet, starting fluid ( eather) then let it sit. It'll be dry as a desert bone in moments. Then use light gun oil on reassembly.

On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 08:31:33 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

If you want to dry it good. Hive it a good shot of brake-clean or better yet, starting fluid ( eather) then let it sit. It'll be dry as a desert bone in moments. Then use light gun oil on reassembly.

The mineral spirits and machine oil thing cuts out most of this drama.
The solvent does a good job of cleaning things and the oil remains
after you wipe or evaporate off the spirits.
In an ultrasonic cleaner you just start it up and go get a cup of
coffee.
IBM used to have a couple of big sprayer type cleaners at 1801 K to
clean typewriters and that was the mix they used (mineral spirits and
IBM #6 oil) ... until the fire marshal found out. I ended up with one
of them after that. You could get a whole VW or Harley engine in one.
Run it about an hour and they came out looking brand new.
They did smoke a might after you put them back together, indicating
how much oil did penetrate the pores of the metal.

wrote:
On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 06:18:50 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 01:00:58 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 27 Nov 2016 15:18:53 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Sun, 27 Nov 2016 12:30:59 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 27 Nov 2016 08:27:32 -0500, Poquito Loco
wrote:

If you get sand into a mechanism, you have to remove all the grease
to clean it. The ultrasonic bath
excels at this task. My guns have thus far been spared, but I've
used it to clean bicycle chains and
freewheels, as well as carburetors.

===

In basic training we used to get sand in the M-14 trigger mechanism
all the time. The unauthorized but effective cure was to wash it
under hot soapy water, rinse, dry, and re-oil immediately.

We washed our M-14 under hot (really hot) soapy water in OCS. Then we
rinsed them in hot (really
hot) water. Each individual then waved the hot pieces around to air
dry them. Worked well.

I think the hot soapy water thing started when they were using
corrosive ammo.

This was in the mid 60's. Don't know if the ammo was corrosive or not.
Never heard that term
mentioned in the years I trained with the M-14.

Some of the Russian stuff, like the 7.62x54R for the Mosin Nagant, is very corrosive.

===

For us it was just a strategy for removing the gritty, sandy dust that
we were training in. Nothing else seemed to be nearly as effective as
hot soapy water.


We trained in wet Texas mud. Feb. March.

wrote:
On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 06:18:50 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 01:00:58 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 27 Nov 2016 15:18:53 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Sun, 27 Nov 2016 12:30:59 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 27 Nov 2016 08:27:32 -0500, Poquito Loco
wrote:

If you get sand into a mechanism, you have to remove all the grease
to clean it. The ultrasonic bath
excels at this task. My guns have thus far been spared, but I've
used it to clean bicycle chains and
freewheels, as well as carburetors.

===

In basic training we used to get sand in the M-14 trigger mechanism
all the time. The unauthorized but effective cure was to wash it
under hot soapy water, rinse, dry, and re-oil immediately.

We washed our M-14 under hot (really hot) soapy water in OCS. Then we
rinsed them in hot (really
hot) water. Each individual then waved the hot pieces around to air
dry them. Worked well.

I think the hot soapy water thing started when they were using
corrosive ammo.

This was in the mid 60's. Don't know if the ammo was corrosive or not.
Never heard that term
mentioned in the years I trained with the M-14.

Some of the Russian stuff, like the 7.62x54R for the Mosin Nagant, is very corrosive.

I doubt there is any corrosive ammo in the US arsenal now but that
tradition of washing your service rifle in the shower is from at least
as far back as WWII because my father said that was what he did in
boot camp


Maybe a holdover from black powder days.

wrote:
On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 08:31:33 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

If you want to dry it good. Hive it a good shot of brake-clean or better
yet, starting fluid ( eather) then let it sit. It'll be dry as a desert
bone in moments. Then use light gun oil on reassembly.

The mineral spirits and machine oil thing cuts out most of this drama.
The solvent does a good job of cleaning things and the oil remains
after you wipe or evaporate off the spirits.
In an ultrasonic cleaner you just start it up and go get a cup of
coffee.
IBM used to have a couple of big sprayer type cleaners at 1801 K to
clean typewriters and that was the mix they used (mineral spirits and
IBM #6 oil) ... until the fire marshal found out. I ended up with one
of them after that. You could get a whole VW or Harley engine in one.
Run it about an hour and they came out looking brand new.
They did smoke a might after you put them back together, indicating
how much oil did penetrate the pores of the metal.


We had spray booths, where you had a pressure wand like the car wash. Had
dirty solvent and clean solvent wands. Wash out the mechanical register or
accounting machine with dirty first and then clean solvent. Worked great
on camp stoves after we went abalone diving and fried the dinner.

On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 12:58:19 PM UTC-5, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 08:31:33 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

If you want to dry it good. Hive it a good shot of brake-clean or better
yet, starting fluid ( eather) then let it sit. It'll be dry as a desert
bone in moments. Then use light gun oil on reassembly.

The mineral spirits and machine oil thing cuts out most of this drama.
The solvent does a good job of cleaning things and the oil remains
after you wipe or evaporate off the spirits.
In an ultrasonic cleaner you just start it up and go get a cup of
coffee.
IBM used to have a couple of big sprayer type cleaners at 1801 K to
clean typewriters and that was the mix they used (mineral spirits and
IBM #6 oil) ... until the fire marshal found out. I ended up with one
of them after that. You could get a whole VW or Harley engine in one.
Run it about an hour and they came out looking brand new.
They did smoke a might after you put them back together, indicating
how much oil did penetrate the pores of the metal.


We had spray booths, where you had a pressure wand like the car wash. Had
dirty solvent and clean solvent wands. Wash out the mechanical register or
accounting machine with dirty first and then clean solvent. Worked great
on camp stoves after we went abalone diving and fried the dinner.

Back when I first started working after college, our company built PC boards. After they went through the wave soldering machine, they were cleaned in a tank of boiling freon. There was a spray wand and there were cooling coils around the top to condense the vapor and return it to the tank. You could stick your hand in it, and it came out chalky-looking because the freon washed the oils from your skin. It was only a couple of years before the freon became so expensive that the industry went to water-soluble flux. At that point the boards went into a commercial "dishwasher" of sorts for cleaning. Not as much fun as the freon tank, but much better for the environment.

Its Me wrote:
On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 12:58:19 PM UTC-5, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 08:31:33 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

If you want to dry it good. Hive it a good shot of brake-clean or better
yet, starting fluid ( eather) then let it sit. It'll be dry as a desert
bone in moments. Then use light gun oil on reassembly.

The mineral spirits and machine oil thing cuts out most of this drama.
The solvent does a good job of cleaning things and the oil remains
after you wipe or evaporate off the spirits.
In an ultrasonic cleaner you just start it up and go get a cup of
coffee.
IBM used to have a couple of big sprayer type cleaners at 1801 K to
clean typewriters and that was the mix they used (mineral spirits and
IBM #6 oil) ... until the fire marshal found out. I ended up with one
of them after that. You could get a whole VW or Harley engine in one.
Run it about an hour and they came out looking brand new.
They did smoke a might after you put them back together, indicating
how much oil did penetrate the pores of the metal.


We had spray booths, where you had a pressure wand like the car wash. Had
dirty solvent and clean solvent wands. Wash out the mechanical register or
accounting machine with dirty first and then clean solvent. Worked great
on camp stoves after we went abalone diving and fried the dinner.

Back when I first started working after college, our company built PC
boards. After they went through the wave soldering machine, they were
cleaned in a tank of boiling freon. There was a spray wand and there
were cooling coils around the top to condense the vapor and return it to
the tank. You could stick your hand in it, and it came out
chalky-looking because the freon washed the oils from your skin. It was
only a couple of years before the freon became so expensive that the
industry went to water-soluble flux. At that point the boards went into
a commercial "dishwasher" of sorts for cleaning. Not as much fun as the
freon tank, but much better for the environment.


Freon cleaner was expensive. We got it in 5 gallon cans to clean our
computer equipment in the 1960's. EPA Was what phased it out as cleaner,
not cost.