On Tue, 29 Nov 2016 19:30:09 -0800 (PST), Its Me wrote:

On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 at 10:17:42 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Tue, 29 Nov 2016 21:09:58 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

Depends. I have Cambodian friends. She owns a donut shop, husband is now
a laid off machinist who works the shop. One daughter did not finish high
school, and nearly 30 Y.O. and no GED. Other is going to JC. Older kid,
did not seem to inherit the worker gene.

That seems to cross all ethnic and nationalities. We have plenty of
American snowflakes who lost the worker gene. My latino friends are
saying that about kids in their culture too.

Maybe it's the modern American culture that poison's them?

With the Asians, he's talking the exceptions, from my experience. With the Latino kids, many of
their parents couldn't speak English and/or worked very long hours. Many would not come to
parent/teacher conferences even though we would provide an interpreter. Many were also dependant on
the kids to tell them what was going on. I had parents who didn't even know that report cards came
out. The kids would take them out of the mail boxes, sign them, and return them.

Harry would say these were all MS13 kids.

On Tue, 29 Nov 2016 23:39:02 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 29 Nov 2016 19:30:09 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 at 10:17:42 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Tue, 29 Nov 2016 21:09:58 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

Depends. I have Cambodian friends. She owns a donut shop, husband is now
a laid off machinist who works the shop. One daughter did not finish high
school, and nearly 30 Y.O. and no GED. Other is going to JC. Older kid,
did not seem to inherit the worker gene.

That seems to cross all ethnic and nationalities. We have plenty of
American snowflakes who lost the worker gene. My latino friends are
saying that about kids in their culture too.

Maybe it's the modern American culture that poison's them?

I believe that. We have several generations of kids who have never had
to work for anything and really have had nothing bad happen to them.
When things don't work out for them they are victims and society has
failed them. The safety net has become a hammock.

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I don't think that's universally true. It would be easy (but self
serving) to point out my own kids as an example. Instead I'd point
out their friends, who for the most part studied hard and worked hard
to get into good schools, have gotten graduate degrees, and have
hustled to establish themselves in good careers. For kids who have
done otherwise, a certain amount of blame falls to the parents who
frequently did not do enough to point them in the right direction and
keep them moving forward. I can point to several cases where parents
are still subsidizing their kids lackadasical lifestyle well into
their 30s.

keep them moving forward. I can point to several cases where parents
are still subsidizing their kids lackadasical lifestyle well into
their 30s.
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And beyond..

On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 10:33:33 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

keep them moving forward. I can point to several cases where parents
are still subsidizing their kids lackadasical lifestyle well into
their 30s.
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And beyond..

===

No motivation there. What are the chances that the kid will ever get
their act together in a case like that?

On Wednesday, November 30, 2016 at 1:19:58 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Tue, 29 Nov 2016 23:39:02 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 29 Nov 2016 19:30:09 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 at 10:17:42 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Tue, 29 Nov 2016 21:09:58 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

Depends. I have Cambodian friends. She owns a donut shop, husband is now
a laid off machinist who works the shop. One daughter did not finish high
school, and nearly 30 Y.O. and no GED. Other is going to JC. Older kid,
did not seem to inherit the worker gene.

That seems to cross all ethnic and nationalities. We have plenty of
American snowflakes who lost the worker gene. My latino friends are
saying that about kids in their culture too.

Maybe it's the modern American culture that poison's them?

I believe that. We have several generations of kids who have never had
to work for anything and really have had nothing bad happen to them.
When things don't work out for them they are victims and society has
failed them. The safety net has become a hammock.

===

I don't think that's universally true. It would be easy (but self
serving) to point out my own kids as an example. Instead I'd point
out their friends, who for the most part studied hard and worked hard
to get into good schools, have gotten graduate degrees, and have
hustled to establish themselves in good careers. For kids who have
done otherwise, a certain amount of blame falls to the parents who
frequently did not do enough to point them in the right direction and
keep them moving forward. I can point to several cases where parents
are still subsidizing their kids lackadasical lifestyle well into
their 30s.

The education process is like a three legged stool - parents, teachers, and students. If one leg is ineffective, the stool won't stand. In my experience, too damn many parents don't give a damm. It's 'too hard' to make their kids do the work, so they just let it go - and blame the teachers, of course. That's not to say that there aren't also a potful of ****ty teachers out there too. The NEA and AFT make it very hard to get rid of them. Now, I'm only badmouthing about 10-15% of the kids. The other 85-90% are great kids (and parents) and fun to work with.

2:10
On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 10:33:33 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:
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No motivation there. What are the chances that the kid will ever get
their act together in a case like that?
....

I doubt if much Wayne. I know some professional students who have never had a working job in their life.

One is 48 and working on his 3rd doctorate. Also a fellow in a prestigious northeastern university. As long as there's grant money coming in...

On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 12:52:13 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

2:10
On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 10:33:33 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:
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No motivation there. What are the chances that the kid will ever get
their act together in a case like that?
...

I doubt if much Wayne. I know some professional students who have never had a working job in their life.

One is 48 and working on his 3rd doctorate. Also a fellow in a prestigious northeastern university. As long as there's grant money coming in...

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Academic life can be very rewarding in a non-monetary way but parents
should not be expected to subsidize it. At least they are not laying
around the house blaming everything but themselves.

Academic life can be very rewarding in a non-monetary way but parents
should not be expected to subsidize it. At least they are not laying
around the house blaming everything but themselves.
......

Yes, Wayne, I agree and you are correct in that there are plenty of those that you describe as well..

wrote:
On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 10:33:33 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

keep them moving forward. I can point to several cases where parents
are still subsidizing their kids lackadasical lifestyle well into
their 30s.
----

And beyond..

===

No motivation there. What are the chances that the kid will ever get
their act together in a case like that?


I have a friend who used to be really wealthy. Very big landscape
contractor. He bought cars for his kids, etc. most of his kids are social
disasters. Grandkids a mixed bunch. One, 28 yo girl, got a DUI while
coming from work at a pizza parlor, and cashed a check from grandpa she
should not have. Was for rent only, which she did not need. My kids both
turned out well, did not overspend the credit cards in university. They had
to buy their first cars, so they know what it takes. I did buy them new
cars when they went in to their senior years at university. But both still
do not waste money.

On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 16:34:58 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 12:52:13 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

2:10
On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 10:33:33 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:
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No motivation there. What are the chances that the kid will ever get
their act together in a case like that?
...

I doubt if much Wayne. I know some professional students who have never had a working job in their life.

One is 48 and working on his 3rd doctorate. Also a fellow in a prestigious northeastern university. As long as there's grant money coming in...

===

Academic life can be very rewarding in a non-monetary way but parents
should not be expected to subsidize it. At least they are not laying
around the house blaming everything but themselves.

Thought they were all protesting Trump or the top 1%, with a lot of liberal support of course.