On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 14:26:32 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

The owners had a choice - buyback or a fix. No one really new how the 'fix' would affect the new
mileage, performance, or future value.

Of course everyone knows. Mileage will go down when they tune the
computer for lower emissions. Otherwise they would not have cheated in
the first place.

On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 15:39:34 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 14:26:32 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

The owners had a choice - buyback or a fix. No one really new how the 'fix' would affect the new
mileage, performance, or future value.

Of course everyone knows. Mileage will go down when they tune the
computer for lower emissions. Otherwise they would not have cheated in
the first place.

Yeah, but no one knows how far down.

On Thursday, December 1, 2016 at 5:22:30 PM UTC-5, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 15:39:34 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 14:26:32 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

The owners had a choice - buyback or a fix. No one really new how the 'fix' would affect the new
mileage, performance, or future value.

Of course everyone knows. Mileage will go down when they tune the
computer for lower emissions. Otherwise they would not have cheated in
the first place.

Yeah, but no one knows how far down.

Actually, on the Audi boards (that are also affected with their TDI) the word is it is a re-tune along with new exhaust/cats, with similar end results.. Some folks love theirs so much they are talking about keeping them, but then re-tuning them after that "fix" back to original or better state. Some of the tunes allow you to re-install the factory tune when needed, then swapping that back out for the tuned version. On some of the cars (like my 3.0T V6 supercharged gas engine), a tune program can be worth 75+ HP. I'm just not interested.

On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 17:22:31 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 15:39:34 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 14:26:32 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

The owners had a choice - buyback or a fix. No one really new how the 'fix' would affect the new
mileage, performance, or future value.

Of course everyone knows. Mileage will go down when they tune the
computer for lower emissions. Otherwise they would not have cheated in
the first place.

Yeah, but no one knows how far down.

Yup. I would guess the average guy wouldn't even notice but it must
have been enough to get them to take this huge chance. I have to
believe the guy who made this decision at the corporate level was sent
packing but who knows. This actually might be more a performance hit
than a fuel economy hit. Did the state/feds demand you fix this? I
also wonder if these will be hot sellers in places with no emission
testing. I bet there are guys who would want to hack their car the
other way. I see plenty of ads for reflashing ECUs or new chips on
other cars to boost horsepower.

Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 23:52:33 -0600, Califbill wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 15:49:13 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

I have a friend who used to be really wealthy. Very big landscape
contractor. He bought cars for his kids, etc. most of his kids are social
disasters. Grandkids a mixed bunch. One, 28 yo girl, got a DUI while
coming from work at a pizza parlor, and cashed a check from grandpa she
should not have. Was for rent only, which she did not need. My kids both
turned out well, did not overspend the credit cards in university. They had
to buy their first cars, so they know what it takes. I did buy them new
cars when they went in to their senior years at university. But both still
do not waste money.
Nobody ever bought me a car but I have bought a bunch for my wife and
kids. Yet I am the one still driving the 20 year old Honda. What's
wrong with this picture? ;-)

I drive a lot. So drive a 12 year old pickup, that replaced a 99 Ford
Expedition, that I had for company car at TI.. And an 1989 S10 pickup.
Wife got a new Toyota in 2009 to replace a 1995 S10 Blazer. Blazer, end of
safe life. And the Expedition did not fit my requirement for a camper and
boat puller. Basically drive until wore out. Am looking at a Chevy Volt
for,around town. Easy parking, and carpool lane friendly.
My wife has a 2013 diesel Volks which she will be selling back to the dealer because of VW's diesel
cheating. She'll get a check for about 25.6K which she's using to buy a new Suburu Outback. Nice
car. Much more comfortable than the VW and the mileage is pretty good. With the difference in price
'tween gas and diesel, she breaks close to even.

She will like not having to look for open diesel pumps. I had a diesel
BMW and that was the worst thing about it.

On Thu, 1 Dec 2016 19:50:24 -0500, Alex wrote:

She will like not having to look for open diesel pumps. I had a diesel
BMW and that was the worst thing about it.

===

It depends where you live. Some places have lots of diesel pumps,
others you have to look around.

wrote:
On Thu, 1 Dec 2016 19:50:24 -0500, Alex wrote:

She will like not having to look for open diesel pumps. I had a diesel
BMW and that was the worst thing about it.

===

It depends where you live. Some places have lots of diesel pumps,
others you have to look around.


Lots of the costco's here are adding diesel.

On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 22:44:10 -0500,
wrote:

On Thu, 1 Dec 2016 19:50:24 -0500, Alex wrote:

She will like not having to look for open diesel pumps. I had a diesel
BMW and that was the worst thing about it.

===

It depends where you live. Some places have lots of diesel pumps,
others you have to look around.

Certainly plenty here. I can't think of a station in Lee County that
doesn't have a green pump.

On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 19:24:43 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 17:22:31 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 15:39:34 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 14:26:32 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

The owners had a choice - buyback or a fix. No one really new how the 'fix' would affect the new
mileage, performance, or future value.

Of course everyone knows. Mileage will go down when they tune the
computer for lower emissions. Otherwise they would not have cheated in
the first place.

Yeah, but no one knows how far down.

Yup. I would guess the average guy wouldn't even notice but it must
have been enough to get them to take this huge chance. I have to
believe the guy who made this decision at the corporate level was sent
packing but who knows. This actually might be more a performance hit
than a fuel economy hit. Did the state/feds demand you fix this? I
also wonder if these will be hot sellers in places with no emission
testing. I bet there are guys who would want to hack their car the
other way. I see plenty of ads for reflashing ECUs or new chips on
other cars to boost horsepower.

It is against the state law to circumvent the OBDII system emissions testing. As Volkswagen has
programmed the system to detect the OBDII monitor and report emissions results which are false, the
autos are being operated illegally. Not sure how they would become 'hot sellers', even in places
with no emissions testing. Why would they be any hotter, because the on-board computer presents
false readings?

On Thu, 1 Dec 2016 19:50:24 -0500, Alex wrote:

Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 23:52:33 -0600, Califbill wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 15:49:13 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

I have a friend who used to be really wealthy. Very big landscape
contractor. He bought cars for his kids, etc. most of his kids are social
disasters. Grandkids a mixed bunch. One, 28 yo girl, got a DUI while
coming from work at a pizza parlor, and cashed a check from grandpa she
should not have. Was for rent only, which she did not need. My kids both
turned out well, did not overspend the credit cards in university. They had
to buy their first cars, so they know what it takes. I did buy them new
cars when they went in to their senior years at university. But both still
do not waste money.
Nobody ever bought me a car but I have bought a bunch for my wife and
kids. Yet I am the one still driving the 20 year old Honda. What's
wrong with this picture? ;-)

I drive a lot. So drive a 12 year old pickup, that replaced a 99 Ford
Expedition, that I had for company car at TI.. And an 1989 S10 pickup.
Wife got a new Toyota in 2009 to replace a 1995 S10 Blazer. Blazer, end of
safe life. And the Expedition did not fit my requirement for a camper and
boat puller. Basically drive until wore out. Am looking at a Chevy Volt
for,around town. Easy parking, and carpool lane friendly.
My wife has a 2013 diesel Volks which she will be selling back to the dealer because of VW's diesel
cheating. She'll get a check for about 25.6K which she's using to buy a new Suburu Outback. Nice
car. Much more comfortable than the VW and the mileage is pretty good. With the difference in price
'tween gas and diesel, she breaks close to even.

She will like not having to look for open diesel pumps. I had a diesel
BMW and that was the worst thing about it.

....especially at BP stations where all the friggin' nozzles are green! Imagine pulling into a
station where only one pump is diesel, you don't know where it is, and you're driving a pickup with
a 33' trailer on the ass end!