On Fri, 02 Dec 2016 00:39:22 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 22:44:10 -0500,
wrote:

On Thu, 1 Dec 2016 19:50:24 -0500, Alex wrote:

She will like not having to look for open diesel pumps. I had a diesel
BMW and that was the worst thing about it.

===

It depends where you live. Some places have lots of diesel pumps,
others you have to look around.

Certainly plenty here. I can't think of a station in Lee County that
doesn't have a green pump.

On the interstate, most stations have diesel. But around town, I'd say about a third have diesel.

On Fri, 02 Dec 2016 09:00:35 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 19:24:43 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 17:22:31 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 15:39:34 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 14:26:32 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

The owners had a choice - buyback or a fix. No one really new how the 'fix' would affect the new
mileage, performance, or future value.

Of course everyone knows. Mileage will go down when they tune the
computer for lower emissions. Otherwise they would not have cheated in
the first place.

Yeah, but no one knows how far down.

Yup. I would guess the average guy wouldn't even notice but it must
have been enough to get them to take this huge chance. I have to
believe the guy who made this decision at the corporate level was sent
packing but who knows. This actually might be more a performance hit
than a fuel economy hit. Did the state/feds demand you fix this? I
also wonder if these will be hot sellers in places with no emission
testing. I bet there are guys who would want to hack their car the
other way. I see plenty of ads for reflashing ECUs or new chips on
other cars to boost horsepower.

It is against the state law to circumvent the OBDII system emissions testing. As Volkswagen has
programmed the system to detect the OBDII monitor and report emissions results which are false, the
autos are being operated illegally. Not sure how they would become 'hot sellers', even in places
with no emissions testing. Why would they be any hotter, because the on-board computer presents
false readings?

Read what?
There are plenty of places with no inspections at all.
Nobody looks at our cars ... for anything.
BTW the VW hack did not give false readings. It just behaved properly
when it thought someone was looking and ran wide open when it thought
they weren't. They got caught when someone actually tested the tail
pipe emissions on the road.

On Fri, 02 Dec 2016 09:03:32 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Fri, 02 Dec 2016 00:39:22 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 22:44:10 -0500,
wrote:

On Thu, 1 Dec 2016 19:50:24 -0500, Alex wrote:

She will like not having to look for open diesel pumps. I had a diesel
BMW and that was the worst thing about it.

===

It depends where you live. Some places have lots of diesel pumps,
others you have to look around.

Certainly plenty here. I can't think of a station in Lee County that
doesn't have a green pump.

On the interstate, most stations have diesel. But around town, I'd say about a third have diesel.

I guess we just have more diesel pickups or something. They seem to be
everywhere here.

9:02
On Fri, 02 Dec 2016 09:03:32 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:
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I guess we just have more diesel pickups or something. They seem to be
everywhere here.
.....

That's because of the snowbird and their big diesel camper busses

On Fri, 2 Dec 2016 07:24:14 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

9:02
On Fri, 02 Dec 2016 09:03:32 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:
- show quoted text -
I guess we just have more diesel pickups or something. They seem to be
everywhere here.
....

That's because of the snowbird and their big diesel camper busses

===

Surprisingly not. It's rare to see one of them filling up around
here. I'd guess most of their filling is done in transit to and fro
the north. What we do have a lot of is heavy duty diesel pick up
trucks. Some of them tow boats, some tow work trailers, a few tow 5th
wheel trailers, and some are jacked up mud hogs.

On Fri, 02 Dec 2016 09:59:12 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 02 Dec 2016 09:00:35 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 19:24:43 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 17:22:31 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 15:39:34 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 14:26:32 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

The owners had a choice - buyback or a fix. No one really new how the 'fix' would affect the new
mileage, performance, or future value.

Of course everyone knows. Mileage will go down when they tune the
computer for lower emissions. Otherwise they would not have cheated in
the first place.

Yeah, but no one knows how far down.

Yup. I would guess the average guy wouldn't even notice but it must
have been enough to get them to take this huge chance. I have to
believe the guy who made this decision at the corporate level was sent
packing but who knows. This actually might be more a performance hit
than a fuel economy hit. Did the state/feds demand you fix this? I
also wonder if these will be hot sellers in places with no emission
testing. I bet there are guys who would want to hack their car the
other way. I see plenty of ads for reflashing ECUs or new chips on
other cars to boost horsepower.

It is against the state law to circumvent the OBDII system emissions testing. As Volkswagen has
programmed the system to detect the OBDII monitor and report emissions results which are false, the
autos are being operated illegally. Not sure how they would become 'hot sellers', even in places
with no emissions testing. Why would they be any hotter, because the on-board computer presents
false readings?

Read what?
There are plenty of places with no inspections at all.
Nobody looks at our cars ... for anything.
BTW the VW hack did not give false readings. It just behaved properly
when it thought someone was looking and ran wide open when it thought
they weren't. They got caught when someone actually tested the tail
pipe emissions on the road.

I was just going by what I read.

If there is no inspection at all, and running with the 'hack' is legal, then there'd be no reason to
do anything, other than for the money. My wife will get about $3500 more than she paid for the car
new.

On Fri, 02 Dec 2016 14:12:02 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 2 Dec 2016 07:24:14 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

9:02
On Fri, 02 Dec 2016 09:03:32 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:
- show quoted text -
I guess we just have more diesel pickups or something. They seem to be
everywhere here.
....

That's because of the snowbird and their big diesel camper busses

===

Surprisingly not. It's rare to see one of them filling up around
here. I'd guess most of their filling is done in transit to and fro
the north. What we do have a lot of is heavy duty diesel pick up
trucks. Some of them tow boats, some tow work trailers, a few tow 5th
wheel trailers, and some are jacked up mud hogs.

They get a Good Sam discount at Flying J, but Flying J has jacked their prices up that I won't buy
there. My wife has a 'cheap gas' app on her phone, and that's where we go. But sometimes those
stations are a bit hard to get into.

wrote:
On Thu, 1 Dec 2016 19:50:24 -0500, Alex wrote:

She will like not having to look for open diesel pumps. I had a diesel
BMW and that was the worst thing about it.
===

It depends where you live. Some places have lots of diesel pumps,
others you have to look around.

Here they are often in the middle of the gas pumps so I had to be the
A-hole blocking both gas pumps. I tried to fill at the truck stops
whenever I could. The fuel flow was usually much quicker there.

wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 22:44:10 -0500,
wrote:

On Thu, 1 Dec 2016 19:50:24 -0500, Alex wrote:

She will like not having to look for open diesel pumps. I had a diesel
BMW and that was the worst thing about it.
===

It depends where you live. Some places have lots of diesel pumps,
others you have to look around.
Certainly plenty here. I can't think of a station in Lee County that
doesn't have a green pump.

The Chevron and Mobil right by my house are gas only.

On Friday, December 2, 2016 at 1:12:11 PM UTC-6, wrote:
On Fri, 2 Dec 2016 07:24:14 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

9:02
On Fri, 02 Dec 2016 09:03:32 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:
- show quoted text -
I guess we just have more diesel pickups or something. They seem to be
everywhere here.
....

That's because of the snowbird and their big diesel camper busses

===

Surprisingly not. It's rare to see one of them filling up around
here. I'd guess most of their filling is done in transit to and fro
the north. What we do have a lot of is heavy duty diesel pick up
trucks. Some of them tow boats, some tow work trailers, a few tow 5th
wheel trailers, and some are jacked up mud hogs.

Well, that too...