....but I'll bet if they looked at just the Asian students in the USA we'd be at the top of the list,
or close to it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...5e5_story.html

"Singapore topped the rankings, taking first place in both grades for math and science on the
tests,..."

"Hong Kong, South Korea, Taiwan and Japan also dominated the lists for each grade in both subjects."

On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 at 3:26:15 PM UTC-5, Poquito Loco wrote:
...but I'll bet if they looked at just the Asian students in the USA we'd be at the top of the list,
or close to it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...5e5_story.html

"Singapore topped the rankings, taking first place in both grades for math and science on the
tests,..."

"Hong Kong, South Korea, Taiwan and Japan also dominated the lists for each grade in both subjects."

As I'm sure you are aware, those countries are largely homogeneous societies with very strong values and school/work ethics. The children aren't coddled, they don't all get trophies at the end of the season. They are expected to perform. Very different than here.

Those countries are no places for snowflakes.

On Tue, 29 Nov 2016 13:41:45 -0800 (PST), Its Me wrote:

On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 at 3:26:15 PM UTC-5, Poquito Loco wrote:
...but I'll bet if they looked at just the Asian students in the USA we'd be at the top of the list,
or close to it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...5e5_story.html

"Singapore topped the rankings, taking first place in both grades for math and science on the
tests,..."

"Hong Kong, South Korea, Taiwan and Japan also dominated the lists for each grade in both subjects."

As I'm sure you are aware, those countries are largely homogeneous societies with very strong values and school/work ethics. The children aren't coddled, they don't all get trophies at the end of the season. They are expected to perform. Very different than here.

Those countries are no places for snowflakes.

Exactly, and the vast majority of parents of Asian kids here instill the same values and work
ethics. That's my point.

On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 at 5:27:04 PM UTC-5, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Tue, 29 Nov 2016 13:41:45 -0800 (PST), Its Me wrote:

On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 at 3:26:15 PM UTC-5, Poquito Loco wrote:
...but I'll bet if they looked at just the Asian students in the USA we'd be at the top of the list,
or close to it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...5e5_story.html

"Singapore topped the rankings, taking first place in both grades for math and science on the
tests,..."

"Hong Kong, South Korea, Taiwan and Japan also dominated the lists for each grade in both subjects."

As I'm sure you are aware, those countries are largely homogeneous societies with very strong values and school/work ethics. The children aren't coddled, they don't all get trophies at the end of the season. They are expected to perform. Very different than here.

Those countries are no places for snowflakes.

Exactly, and the vast majority of parents of Asian kids here instill the same values and work
ethics. That's my point.

I've always been impressed that they can come to this country barely speaking English and not largely knowing the laws and customs of our country, and in a generation the parents own a business and the kids are becoming doctors,lawyers and engineers. This is the land of opportunity, it just doesn't land in your lap because you were born here.

Its Me wrote:
On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 at 5:27:04 PM UTC-5, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Tue, 29 Nov 2016 13:41:45 -0800 (PST), Its Me wrote:

On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 at 3:26:15 PM UTC-5, Poquito Loco wrote:
...but I'll bet if they looked at just the Asian students in the USA
we'd be at the top of the list,
or close to it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...5e5_story.html

"Singapore topped the rankings, taking first place in both grades for
math and science on the
tests,..."

"Hong Kong, South Korea, Taiwan and Japan also dominated the lists for
each grade in both subjects."

As I'm sure you are aware, those countries are largely homogeneous
societies with very strong values and school/work ethics. The children
aren't coddled, they don't all get trophies at the end of the season.
They are expected to perform. Very different than here.

Those countries are no places for snowflakes.

Exactly, and the vast majority of parents of Asian kids here instill the
same values and work
ethics. That's my point.

I've always been impressed that they can come to this country barely
speaking English and not largely knowing the laws and customs of our
country, and in a generation the parents own a business and the kids are
becoming doctors,lawyers and engineers. This is the land of opportunity,
it just doesn't land in your lap because you were born here.


Depends. I have Cambodian friends. She owns a donut shop, husband is now
a laid off machinist who works the shop. One daughter did not finish high
school, and nearly 30 Y.O. and no GED. Other is going to JC. Older kid,
did not seem to inherit the worker gene.

On Tue, 29 Nov 2016 21:09:58 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

Depends. I have Cambodian friends. She owns a donut shop, husband is now
a laid off machinist who works the shop. One daughter did not finish high
school, and nearly 30 Y.O. and no GED. Other is going to JC. Older kid,
did not seem to inherit the worker gene.

That seems to cross all ethnic and nationalities. We have plenty of
American snowflakes who lost the worker gene. My latino friends are
saying that about kids in their culture too.

On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 at 10:17:42 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Tue, 29 Nov 2016 21:09:58 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

Depends. I have Cambodian friends. She owns a donut shop, husband is now
a laid off machinist who works the shop. One daughter did not finish high
school, and nearly 30 Y.O. and no GED. Other is going to JC. Older kid,
did not seem to inherit the worker gene.

That seems to cross all ethnic and nationalities. We have plenty of
American snowflakes who lost the worker gene. My latino friends are
saying that about kids in their culture too.

Maybe it's the modern American culture that poison's them?

On Tue, 29 Nov 2016 19:30:09 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 at 10:17:42 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Tue, 29 Nov 2016 21:09:58 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

Depends. I have Cambodian friends. She owns a donut shop, husband is now
a laid off machinist who works the shop. One daughter did not finish high
school, and nearly 30 Y.O. and no GED. Other is going to JC. Older kid,
did not seem to inherit the worker gene.

That seems to cross all ethnic and nationalities. We have plenty of
American snowflakes who lost the worker gene. My latino friends are
saying that about kids in their culture too.

Maybe it's the modern American culture that poison's them?

I believe that. We have several generations of kids who have never had
to work for anything and really have had nothing bad happen to them.
When things don't work out for them they are victims and society has
failed them. The safety net has become a hammock.

wrote:
On Tue, 29 Nov 2016 19:30:09 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 at 10:17:42 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Tue, 29 Nov 2016 21:09:58 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

Depends. I have Cambodian friends. She owns a donut shop, husband is now
a laid off machinist who works the shop. One daughter did not finish high
school, and nearly 30 Y.O. and no GED. Other is going to JC. Older kid,
did not seem to inherit the worker gene.

That seems to cross all ethnic and nationalities. We have plenty of
American snowflakes who lost the worker gene. My latino friends are
saying that about kids in their culture too.

Maybe it's the modern American culture that poison's them?

I believe that. We have several generations of kids who have never had
to work for anything and really have had nothing bad happen to them.
When things don't work out for them they are victims and society has
failed them. The safety net has become a hammock.


We went to the Santa Cruz mountains to cut our Christmas tree today. Then
got a pizza and went towards the surfers at Steamer Lane. Passed a couple
of homeless encampments. Biggest percentage were probably under 30. I
guess mom and dad got tired of them free loading, so they had to,move out
and depend on the welfare system. Good pay for no work.

On Tue, 29 Nov 2016 21:09:58 -0600, Califbill wrote:

Its Me wrote:
On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 at 5:27:04 PM UTC-5, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Tue, 29 Nov 2016 13:41:45 -0800 (PST), Its Me wrote:

On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 at 3:26:15 PM UTC-5, Poquito Loco wrote:
...but I'll bet if they looked at just the Asian students in the USA
we'd be at the top of the list,
or close to it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...5e5_story.html

"Singapore topped the rankings, taking first place in both grades for
math and science on the
tests,..."

"Hong Kong, South Korea, Taiwan and Japan also dominated the lists for
each grade in both subjects."

As I'm sure you are aware, those countries are largely homogeneous
societies with very strong values and school/work ethics. The children
aren't coddled, they don't all get trophies at the end of the season.
They are expected to perform. Very different than here.

Those countries are no places for snowflakes.

Exactly, and the vast majority of parents of Asian kids here instill the
same values and work
ethics. That's my point.

I've always been impressed that they can come to this country barely
speaking English and not largely knowing the laws and customs of our
country, and in a generation the parents own a business and the kids are
becoming doctors,lawyers and engineers. This is the land of opportunity,
it just doesn't land in your lap because you were born here.


Depends. I have Cambodian friends. She owns a donut shop, husband is now
a laid off machinist who works the shop. One daughter did not finish high
school, and nearly 30 Y.O. and no GED. Other is going to JC. Older kid,
did not seem to inherit the worker gene.

There are exceptions. I had a couple while teaching, one whom I still remember...Heather. She would
not do a lick of homework.

The other 90+% were superb students with parents who really gave a ****.