On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 21:25:27 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 16:05:21 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

Took my buddy, Carmen, to the range today to try out the new Ruger SR1911. Carmen started the
shooting and withing three rounds had a stovepipe. He cleared it, chambered another round and had
another stovepipe within a couple rounds. He had three in the first eight rounds fired. He continued
shooting, going through 25 rounds or so, still having stovepipes and the slide not remaining in the
open position when the last round was fired. We tried different magazines and different ammo (we'd
been using the aluminum cased ammo), but nothing seemed to work.

I asked to shoot it, and went through three or four magazines. The gun functioned perfectly! In
fact, I think I was more accurate with it than with the Kimber. Seems like the sight dots are easier
to see on the Ruger. Anyway, I remembered my brother, retired cop, telling me once about his
daughter trying to shoot a new gun and having problems. He blamed 'limp wristing' as he had no
problem shooting the gun. This was a S&W SD9 VE.

I mentioned this to Carmen, he extended his arm a lot more and firmed up his wrist. Lo and behold -
no problem, except that a couple times the slide still wouldn't lock back after the last round. We
then went to loading the magazines with only two rounds just to test the slide lock. It worked for
me 100% of the time, for Carmen about 50% of the time.

So, we deduced that Carmen needs to firm up his wrist. He will bring a wrist brace next week. We'll
see what happens.

But, here's the question. When he shoots the Kimber, he has no problem whatsoever. Could some of
this be due to the Ruger being new and needing 'breaking in'?

The slide lock is a pretty simple operation, the slide lock is pushed
by the magazine follower. I suppose a limp wrist might prevent the
slide from coming back all the way (slide and your lock failure) but
I don't remember seeing it on a hardball .45
I saw a guy drop one, firing it and it landed on the deck, in battery,
cocked. Nobody freaked because we remembered the grip safety and other
safety features on the Browning design. He didn't get to shoot
anymore. The chief reminded him, if it had gone overboard, he would
be working for free for a while,

A lost weapon is a matter of tremendous concern in the military, except in a combat zone. Then the
'combat loss' tag will cover the situation...normally.

On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 20:16:02 -0500, Alex wrote:

Poco Loco wrote:
On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 18:47:30 -0500, Alex wrote:

Poco Loco wrote:
Took my buddy, Carmen, to the range today to try out the new Ruger SR1911. Carmen started the
shooting and withing three rounds had a stovepipe. He cleared it, chambered another round and had
another stovepipe within a couple rounds. He had three in the first eight rounds fired. He continued
shooting, going through 25 rounds or so, still having stovepipes and the slide not remaining in the
open position when the last round was fired. We tried different magazines and different ammo (we'd
been using the aluminum cased ammo), but nothing seemed to work.

I asked to shoot it, and went through three or four magazines. The gun functioned perfectly! In
fact, I think I was more accurate with it than with the Kimber. Seems like the sight dots are easier
to see on the Ruger. Anyway, I remembered my brother, retired cop, telling me once about his
daughter trying to shoot a new gun and having problems. He blamed 'limp wristing' as he had no
problem shooting the gun. This was a S&W SD9 VE.

I mentioned this to Carmen, he extended his arm a lot more and firmed up his wrist. Lo and behold -
no problem, except that a couple times the slide still wouldn't lock back after the last round. We
then went to loading the magazines with only two rounds just to test the slide lock. It worked for
me 100% of the time, for Carmen about 50% of the time.

So, we deduced that Carmen needs to firm up his wrist. He will bring a wrist brace next week. We'll
see what happens.

But, here's the question. When he shoots the Kimber, he has no problem whatsoever. Could some of
this be due to the Ruger being new and needing 'breaking in'?

The spring is new and firmer so that might have something to do with
it. I've run 400-500 rounds through mine without any problems so it
could be something else. If it doesn't clear up send it back to Ruger.
Their customer service is fantastic.
I may take it to the range and just pump some ammo through it to see if it loosens up a bit. Putting
'slide not locking back after last round' in google gave me some ideas also, or at least some things
to look at. Then we'll try it again. If any problems I'll call Ruger. I'll be sure and tell them I
know Alex. :)

That was made in Prescott, AZ. I don't know anyone there...

Last night I'm thinking, OK, the gun works for me but is giving Carmen fits. None of the other guns
I've seen Carmen shoot have given him this problem. So why this one? I'm going to call Ruger today
and see what they say.

Poco Loco Wrote in message:
On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 20:16:02 -0500, Alex wrote:

Poco Loco wrote:
On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 18:47:30 -0500, Alex wrote:

Poco Loco wrote:
Took my buddy, Carmen, to the range today to try out the new Ruger SR1911. Carmen started the
shooting and withing three rounds had a stovepipe. He cleared it, chambered another round and had
another stovepipe within a couple rounds. He had three in the first eight rounds fired. He continued
shooting, going through 25 rounds or so, still having stovepipes and the slide not remaining in the
open position when the last round was fired. We tried different magazines and different ammo (we'd
been using the aluminum cased ammo), but nothing seemed to work.

I asked to shoot it, and went through three or four magazines. The gun functioned perfectly! In
fact, I think I was more accurate with it than with the Kimber. Seems like the sight dots are easier
to see on the Ruger. Anyway, I remembered my brother, retired cop, telling me once about his
daughter trying to shoot a new gun and having problems. He blamed 'limp wristing' as he had no
problem shooting the gun. This was a S&W SD9 VE.

I mentioned this to Carmen, he extended his arm a lot more and firmed up his wrist. Lo and behold -
no problem, except that a couple times the slide still wouldn't lock back after the last round. We
then went to loading the magazines with only two rounds just to test the slide lock. It worked for
me 100% of the time, for Carmen about 50% of the time.

So, we deduced that Carmen needs to firm up his wrist. He will bring a wrist brace next week. We'll
see what happens.

But, here's the question. When he shoots the Kimber, he has no problem whatsoever. Could some of
this be due to the Ruger being new and needing 'breaking in'?

The spring is new and firmer so that might have something to do with
it. I've run 400-500 rounds through mine without any problems so it
could be something else. If it doesn't clear up send it back to Ruger.
Their customer service is fantastic.
I may take it to the range and just pump some ammo through it to see if it loosens up a bit. Putting
'slide not locking back after last round' in google gave me some ideas also, or at least some things
to look at. Then we'll try it again. If any problems I'll call Ruger. I'll be sure and tell them I
know Alex. :)

That was made in Prescott, AZ. I don't know anyone there...

Last night I'm thinking, OK, the gun works for me but is giving Carmen fits. None of the other guns
I've seen Carmen shoot have given him this problem. So why this one? I'm going to call Ruger today
and see what they say.


Watch him shoot it. It's probably excessive muzzle flip as a
result of limp wristing.
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On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 20:16:02 -0500, Alex wrote:

Poco Loco wrote:
On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 18:47:30 -0500, Alex wrote:

Poco Loco wrote:
Took my buddy, Carmen, to the range today to try out the new Ruger SR1911. Carmen started the
shooting and withing three rounds had a stovepipe. He cleared it, chambered another round and had
another stovepipe within a couple rounds. He had three in the first eight rounds fired. He continued
shooting, going through 25 rounds or so, still having stovepipes and the slide not remaining in the
open position when the last round was fired. We tried different magazines and different ammo (we'd
been using the aluminum cased ammo), but nothing seemed to work.

I asked to shoot it, and went through three or four magazines. The gun functioned perfectly! In
fact, I think I was more accurate with it than with the Kimber. Seems like the sight dots are easier
to see on the Ruger. Anyway, I remembered my brother, retired cop, telling me once about his
daughter trying to shoot a new gun and having problems. He blamed 'limp wristing' as he had no
problem shooting the gun. This was a S&W SD9 VE.

I mentioned this to Carmen, he extended his arm a lot more and firmed up his wrist. Lo and behold -
no problem, except that a couple times the slide still wouldn't lock back after the last round. We
then went to loading the magazines with only two rounds just to test the slide lock. It worked for
me 100% of the time, for Carmen about 50% of the time.

So, we deduced that Carmen needs to firm up his wrist. He will bring a wrist brace next week. We'll
see what happens.

But, here's the question. When he shoots the Kimber, he has no problem whatsoever. Could some of
this be due to the Ruger being new and needing 'breaking in'?

The spring is new and firmer so that might have something to do with
it. I've run 400-500 rounds through mine without any problems so it
could be something else. If it doesn't clear up send it back to Ruger.
Their customer service is fantastic.
I may take it to the range and just pump some ammo through it to see if it loosens up a bit. Putting
'slide not locking back after last round' in google gave me some ideas also, or at least some things
to look at. Then we'll try it again. If any problems I'll call Ruger. I'll be sure and tell them I
know Alex. :)

That was made in Prescott, AZ. I don't know anyone there...

So yesterday I took SIL and two boys to the range. We put 200 rounds through the Ruger. The boys did
not have any stove pipe problems, but did have cases where the slide would not lock back after the
last round. Gave them the 'limp wrist' talk, and had them fire all four magazines with only two
rounds each. After a few of those drills, they had no more problem with failures of the slide to
lock. Had a great time. They went through almost 400 rounds of .22, with the Mark IV and the
Heritage Rough Rider single action .22 revolver. They loved that gun, and I agreed it was fun to
shoot - accurate too. They also put 150 rounds of 9mm through the Sig P226. The range wasn't
crowded, so we were given two lanes. Made life much easier than trying to have four people work in
one lane.

I will say this about the Ruger. It seems to have the strongest mainspring I've ever encountered in
a pistol. Unless the hammer is back, it takes almost all I've got to rack that damn slide. I might
check into a weaker mainspring.

On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 09:43:14 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 20:16:02 -0500, Alex wrote:

Poco Loco wrote:
On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 18:47:30 -0500, Alex wrote:

Poco Loco wrote:
Took my buddy, Carmen, to the range today to try out the new Ruger SR1911. Carmen started the
shooting and withing three rounds had a stovepipe. He cleared it, chambered another round and had
another stovepipe within a couple rounds. He had three in the first eight rounds fired. He continued
shooting, going through 25 rounds or so, still having stovepipes and the slide not remaining in the
open position when the last round was fired. We tried different magazines and different ammo (we'd
been using the aluminum cased ammo), but nothing seemed to work.

I asked to shoot it, and went through three or four magazines. The gun functioned perfectly! In
fact, I think I was more accurate with it than with the Kimber. Seems like the sight dots are easier
to see on the Ruger. Anyway, I remembered my brother, retired cop, telling me once about his
daughter trying to shoot a new gun and having problems. He blamed 'limp wristing' as he had no
problem shooting the gun. This was a S&W SD9 VE.

I mentioned this to Carmen, he extended his arm a lot more and firmed up his wrist. Lo and behold -
no problem, except that a couple times the slide still wouldn't lock back after the last round. We
then went to loading the magazines with only two rounds just to test the slide lock. It worked for
me 100% of the time, for Carmen about 50% of the time.

So, we deduced that Carmen needs to firm up his wrist. He will bring a wrist brace next week. We'll
see what happens.

But, here's the question. When he shoots the Kimber, he has no problem whatsoever. Could some of
this be due to the Ruger being new and needing 'breaking in'?

The spring is new and firmer so that might have something to do with
it. I've run 400-500 rounds through mine without any problems so it
could be something else. If it doesn't clear up send it back to Ruger.
Their customer service is fantastic.
I may take it to the range and just pump some ammo through it to see if it loosens up a bit. Putting
'slide not locking back after last round' in google gave me some ideas also, or at least some things
to look at. Then we'll try it again. If any problems I'll call Ruger. I'll be sure and tell them I
know Alex. :)

That was made in Prescott, AZ. I don't know anyone there...

So yesterday I took SIL and two boys to the range. We put 200 rounds through the Ruger. The boys did
not have any stove pipe problems, but did have cases where the slide would not lock back after the
last round. Gave them the 'limp wrist' talk, and had them fire all four magazines with only two
rounds each. After a few of those drills, they had no more problem with failures of the slide to
lock. Had a great time. They went through almost 400 rounds of .22, with the Mark IV and the
Heritage Rough Rider single action .22 revolver. They loved that gun, and I agreed it was fun to
shoot - accurate too. They also put 150 rounds of 9mm through the Sig P226. The range wasn't
crowded, so we were given two lanes. Made life much easier than trying to have four people work in
one lane.

I will say this about the Ruger. It seems to have the strongest mainspring I've ever encountered in
a pistol. Unless the hammer is back, it takes almost all I've got to rack that damn slide. I might
check into a weaker mainspring.

That would be my guess. I bet Ruger put in a stiffer main spring to
handle the high performance ammo that is out there these days. The
hardball .45s were tuned for mil spec ammo that is not really that hot
and has a nice rounded bullet that is tuned to feed well in a 1911.
They probably think a stiffer spring makes it more reliable with
expanding bullets.

On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 09:43:14 -0500, Poco Loco wrote:

On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 20:16:02 -0500, Alex wrote:

Poco Loco wrote:
On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 18:47:30 -0500, Alex wrote:

Poco Loco wrote:
Took my buddy, Carmen, to the range today to try out the new Ruger SR1911. Carmen started the
shooting and withing three rounds had a stovepipe. He cleared it, chambered another round and had
another stovepipe within a couple rounds. He had three in the first eight rounds fired. He continued
shooting, going through 25 rounds or so, still having stovepipes and the slide not remaining in the
open position when the last round was fired. We tried different magazines and different ammo (we'd
been using the aluminum cased ammo), but nothing seemed to work.

I asked to shoot it, and went through three or four magazines. The gun functioned perfectly! In
fact, I think I was more accurate with it than with the Kimber. Seems like the sight dots are easier
to see on the Ruger. Anyway, I remembered my brother, retired cop, telling me once about his
daughter trying to shoot a new gun and having problems. He blamed 'limp wristing' as he had no
problem shooting the gun. This was a S&W SD9 VE.

I mentioned this to Carmen, he extended his arm a lot more and firmed up his wrist. Lo and behold -
no problem, except that a couple times the slide still wouldn't lock back after the last round. We
then went to loading the magazines with only two rounds just to test the slide lock. It worked for
me 100% of the time, for Carmen about 50% of the time.

So, we deduced that Carmen needs to firm up his wrist. He will bring a wrist brace next week. We'll
see what happens.

But, here's the question. When he shoots the Kimber, he has no problem whatsoever. Could some of
this be due to the Ruger being new and needing 'breaking in'?

The spring is new and firmer so that might have something to do with
it. I've run 400-500 rounds through mine without any problems so it
could be something else. If it doesn't clear up send it back to Ruger.
Their customer service is fantastic.
I may take it to the range and just pump some ammo through it to see if it loosens up a bit. Putting
'slide not locking back after last round' in google gave me some ideas also, or at least some things
to look at. Then we'll try it again. If any problems I'll call Ruger. I'll be sure and tell them I
know Alex. :)

That was made in Prescott, AZ. I don't know anyone there...

So yesterday I took SIL and two boys to the range. We put 200 rounds through the Ruger. The boys did
not have any stove pipe problems, but did have cases where the slide would not lock back after the
last round. Gave them the 'limp wrist' talk, and had them fire all four magazines with only two
rounds each. After a few of those drills, they had no more problem with failures of the slide to
lock. Had a great time. They went through almost 400 rounds of .22, with the Mark IV and the
Heritage Rough Rider single action .22 revolver. They loved that gun, and I agreed it was fun to
shoot - accurate too. They also put 150 rounds of 9mm through the Sig P226. The range wasn't
crowded, so we were given two lanes. Made life much easier than trying to have four people work in
one lane.

I will say this about the Ruger. It seems to have the strongest mainspring I've ever encountered in
a pistol. Unless the hammer is back, it takes almost all I've got to rack that damn slide. I might
check into a weaker mainspring.

Not 'mainspring', recoil spring!

On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 10:27:08 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

Not 'mainspring', recoil spring!

I was willing to play along ;-)
It is the "main" spring I guess.

On 12/22/16 10:23 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 09:43:14 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 20:16:02 -0500, Alex wrote:

Poco Loco wrote:
On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 18:47:30 -0500, Alex wrote:

Poco Loco wrote:
Took my buddy, Carmen, to the range today to try out the new Ruger SR1911. Carmen started the
shooting and withing three rounds had a stovepipe. He cleared it, chambered another round and had
another stovepipe within a couple rounds. He had three in the first eight rounds fired. He continued
shooting, going through 25 rounds or so, still having stovepipes and the slide not remaining in the
open position when the last round was fired. We tried different magazines and different ammo (we'd
been using the aluminum cased ammo), but nothing seemed to work.

I asked to shoot it, and went through three or four magazines. The gun functioned perfectly! In
fact, I think I was more accurate with it than with the Kimber. Seems like the sight dots are easier
to see on the Ruger. Anyway, I remembered my brother, retired cop, telling me once about his
daughter trying to shoot a new gun and having problems. He blamed 'limp wristing' as he had no
problem shooting the gun. This was a S&W SD9 VE.

I mentioned this to Carmen, he extended his arm a lot more and firmed up his wrist. Lo and behold -
no problem, except that a couple times the slide still wouldn't lock back after the last round. We
then went to loading the magazines with only two rounds just to test the slide lock. It worked for
me 100% of the time, for Carmen about 50% of the time.

So, we deduced that Carmen needs to firm up his wrist. He will bring a wrist brace next week. We'll
see what happens.

But, here's the question. When he shoots the Kimber, he has no problem whatsoever. Could some of
this be due to the Ruger being new and needing 'breaking in'?

The spring is new and firmer so that might have something to do with
it. I've run 400-500 rounds through mine without any problems so it
could be something else. If it doesn't clear up send it back to Ruger.
Their customer service is fantastic.
I may take it to the range and just pump some ammo through it to see if it loosens up a bit. Putting
'slide not locking back after last round' in google gave me some ideas also, or at least some things
to look at. Then we'll try it again. If any problems I'll call Ruger. I'll be sure and tell them I
know Alex. :)

That was made in Prescott, AZ. I don't know anyone there...

So yesterday I took SIL and two boys to the range. We put 200 rounds through the Ruger. The boys did
not have any stove pipe problems, but did have cases where the slide would not lock back after the
last round. Gave them the 'limp wrist' talk, and had them fire all four magazines with only two
rounds each. After a few of those drills, they had no more problem with failures of the slide to
lock. Had a great time. They went through almost 400 rounds of .22, with the Mark IV and the
Heritage Rough Rider single action .22 revolver. They loved that gun, and I agreed it was fun to
shoot - accurate too. They also put 150 rounds of 9mm through the Sig P226. The range wasn't
crowded, so we were given two lanes. Made life much easier than trying to have four people work in
one lane.

I will say this about the Ruger. It seems to have the strongest mainspring I've ever encountered in
a pistol. Unless the hammer is back, it takes almost all I've got to rack that damn slide. I might
check into a weaker mainspring.

That would be my guess. I bet Ruger put in a stiffer main spring to
handle the high performance ammo that is out there these days. The
hardball .45s were tuned for mil spec ammo that is not really that hot
and has a nice rounded bullet that is tuned to feed well in a 1911.
They probably think a stiffer spring makes it more reliable with
expanding bullets.



Surely you don't mean "main spring," Greg.

On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 12:14:08 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:




Surely you don't mean "main spring," Greg.

As I said, I was just playing along. Quibbling about nomenclature is
silly as long as we all know what we are talking about.
It was clear John was talking about that coily thing that returns the
slide into battery. The mainspring is the one that pushes on the
hammer strut (in that housing behind the magazine well, flat on the
11, arched on the A1).

On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 10:53:53 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 10:27:08 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

Not 'mainspring', recoil spring!

I was willing to play along ;-)
It is the "main" spring I guess.

Well, it's the biggest sumbitch in there!