9:40 AMKeyser Soze
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You mean, become a right-wing racist? No thanks.
...,,

Wow Harry, I think you dove off the hi-dive into the shallow end of the pool.

You're replies are getting worse as you go...

On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 10:13:07 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 12/27/16 9:52 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 27 Dec 2016 19:00:35 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 12/27/16 4:19 PM, wrote:


Did you actually read the post you are responding to? I certainly bet
I know more about US history than a GW graduate who did not have to
take a single US history course to get his BA. Where did he get all of
this knowledge? Smoking dope and watching the History channel in his
dorm room? He could have saved the fifty grand and just bought a basic
cable package at home in his mom's basement.


I doubt at 22 you knew as much about history as a college grad in
history at the same age.
And as for whether he/she studied U.S. history, well that would have
depended upon the cycle and sequence taken for the major. If your major
was medieval history of Europe, you wouldn't have spent a lot of time
taking courses about the United States. Or maybe any time.
Reading random books and papers, as you apparently did, ain't the same
as following a course of study taught by professors and discussed by
students discussing similar material in a classroom setting and
producing college-level papers. You may think it is the same, and
results in the same, but...it doesn't.


Dance Mr Bojangles.
You don't seem to give me any credit for 50 years of life experience
so the bet stands as is. If this kid does not take American history at
GW, I will sit for the test and he can sit for the same one. Give me
$100 a point and I will make at least five grand.
Make it easy, just use two of those 50 question Face book quizzes.


I'd love to see your test results after a senior level exam on medieval
european history, what the "kid" was studying.

Having exactly NOTHING to do with American history other than perhaps
the desire to get the **** out of Europe..

And perhaps you might
enlighten us as to how the Frontier Thesis could have been used by
blacks to more fully integrate this country.

That was just Turner's opinion and widely criticized as being far to
narrow of an opinion by many, including his contemporaries.
I gave you my opinion about the integration of blacks and you roundly
rejected it without actually dealing with any of the points. Why would
I hypothesize about someone else's theory when that was not even the
main thrust of the piece?
It is true that blacks had more opportunity in the west but that may
have just been that they had the common enemy of the natives to fight
along side the whites. If you were a settler in Kansas, under attack
by indians, you certainly were happy to see a troop of Buffalo
Soldiers coming across the plain.

On 12/28/16 11:35 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 10:13:07 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 12/27/16 9:52 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 27 Dec 2016 19:00:35 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 12/27/16 4:19 PM, wrote:


Did you actually read the post you are responding to? I certainly bet
I know more about US history than a GW graduate who did not have to
take a single US history course to get his BA. Where did he get all of
this knowledge? Smoking dope and watching the History channel in his
dorm room? He could have saved the fifty grand and just bought a basic
cable package at home in his mom's basement.


I doubt at 22 you knew as much about history as a college grad in
history at the same age.
And as for whether he/she studied U.S. history, well that would have
depended upon the cycle and sequence taken for the major. If your major
was medieval history of Europe, you wouldn't have spent a lot of time
taking courses about the United States. Or maybe any time.
Reading random books and papers, as you apparently did, ain't the same
as following a course of study taught by professors and discussed by
students discussing similar material in a classroom setting and
producing college-level papers. You may think it is the same, and
results in the same, but...it doesn't.


Dance Mr Bojangles.
You don't seem to give me any credit for 50 years of life experience
so the bet stands as is. If this kid does not take American history at
GW, I will sit for the test and he can sit for the same one. Give me
$100 a point and I will make at least five grand.
Make it easy, just use two of those 50 question Face book quizzes.


I'd love to see your test results after a senior level exam on medieval
european history, what the "kid" was studying.

Having exactly NOTHING to do with American history other than perhaps
the desire to get the **** out of Europe..

And perhaps you might
enlighten us as to how the Frontier Thesis could have been used by
blacks to more fully integrate this country.

That was just Turner's opinion and widely criticized as being far to
narrow of an opinion by many, including his contemporaries.
I gave you my opinion about the integration of blacks and you roundly
rejected it without actually dealing with any of the points. Why would
I hypothesize about someone else's theory when that was not even the
main thrust of the piece?
It is true that blacks had more opportunity in the west but that may
have just been that they had the common enemy of the natives to fight
along side the whites. If you were a settler in Kansas, under attack
by indians, you certainly were happy to see a troop of Buffalo
Soldiers coming across the plain.



Once again, I doubt at 22 you knew as much history as a college grad of
the same age who was a history major. There's no way to prove that at 70
you have the rigorous education in history as a current graduate history
major of 22. That you may have read a pile of books is not proof of
knowledge. Where are your papers? Where are your presentations? Where
are your academic discussions?

Also, I didn't ask you for a critique of the Frontier Thesis. I asked
you how it could have been used by blacks to more fully integrate this
country. The question is a modern one and really has little to do with
the expansion of the west, per se, or the Buffalo Soldiers.

On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 10:32:08 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

Keyser Soze Wrote in message:

Three times. Always been three, **** for brains

I also only remember two


So...


Greg has a mind like a steel trap. You need to keep your stories
straight, otherwise you'll be made again.

I will admit, I can't keep up with all of Harry's adventures.

On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 11:54:29 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 12/28/16 11:35 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 10:13:07 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 12/27/16 9:52 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 27 Dec 2016 19:00:35 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 12/27/16 4:19 PM, wrote:


Did you actually read the post you are responding to? I certainly bet
I know more about US history than a GW graduate who did not have to
take a single US history course to get his BA. Where did he get all of
this knowledge? Smoking dope and watching the History channel in his
dorm room? He could have saved the fifty grand and just bought a basic
cable package at home in his mom's basement.


I doubt at 22 you knew as much about history as a college grad in
history at the same age.
And as for whether he/she studied U.S. history, well that would have
depended upon the cycle and sequence taken for the major. If your major
was medieval history of Europe, you wouldn't have spent a lot of time
taking courses about the United States. Or maybe any time.
Reading random books and papers, as you apparently did, ain't the same
as following a course of study taught by professors and discussed by
students discussing similar material in a classroom setting and
producing college-level papers. You may think it is the same, and
results in the same, but...it doesn't.


Dance Mr Bojangles.
You don't seem to give me any credit for 50 years of life experience
so the bet stands as is. If this kid does not take American history at
GW, I will sit for the test and he can sit for the same one. Give me
$100 a point and I will make at least five grand.
Make it easy, just use two of those 50 question Face book quizzes.


I'd love to see your test results after a senior level exam on medieval
european history, what the "kid" was studying.

Having exactly NOTHING to do with American history other than perhaps
the desire to get the **** out of Europe..

And perhaps you might
enlighten us as to how the Frontier Thesis could have been used by
blacks to more fully integrate this country.

That was just Turner's opinion and widely criticized as being far to
narrow of an opinion by many, including his contemporaries.
I gave you my opinion about the integration of blacks and you roundly
rejected it without actually dealing with any of the points. Why would
I hypothesize about someone else's theory when that was not even the
main thrust of the piece?
It is true that blacks had more opportunity in the west but that may
have just been that they had the common enemy of the natives to fight
along side the whites. If you were a settler in Kansas, under attack
by indians, you certainly were happy to see a troop of Buffalo
Soldiers coming across the plain.



Once again, I doubt at 22 you knew as much history as a college grad of
the same age who was a history major. There's no way to prove that at 70
you have the rigorous education in history as a current graduate history
major of 22. That you may have read a pile of books is not proof of
knowledge. Where are your papers? Where are your presentations? Where
are your academic discussions?


You certainly put a lot of credence on the pontificating of a few
bloviating academics who have never done anything but go to school at
5 and never left.

Also, I didn't ask you for a critique of the Frontier Thesis. I asked
you how it could have been used by blacks to more fully integrate this
country. The question is a modern one and really has little to do with
the expansion of the west, per se, or the Buffalo Soldiers.

I wasn't sure where you were going with that brain fart but I assumed
you thought I would be impressed by something I read and reported on
in high school.

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On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 10:32:08 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

Keyser Soze Wrote in message:

Three times. Always been three, **** for brains

I also only remember two


So...


Greg has a mind like a steel trap. You need to keep your stories
straight, otherwise you'll be made again.

I will admit, I can't keep up with all of Harry's adventures.



It would be a full time job to record and catalog his lies.
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Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 12/28/16 10:32 AM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 12/27/16 10:12 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 27 Dec 2016 20:25:34 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 12/27/16 3:19 PM, Tim wrote:
2:14 PMKeyser Soze
On 12/27/16 2:56 PM, Tim wrote:
I'm sure there is a good reason for this. Like, removing history class
for the history majors. The students probably know it all anyhow, so
why waste man power and tuition expenses . Pass em anyhow.

Sounds logical to me. After all a sheepskin proves your knowledge, right?

So, you and FlaJim the Moron know as much "history" as someone with a
B.A. in it, eh? Doubtful. And of course you know as much about the
design and manufacture of electric motors as, say, degreed mechanical or
electrical engineers, eh? Doubtful. And FlaJim knows as much about
chipping paint on a navy vessel as, oh, a guy who chips paint on a navy
vessel...
....

And you're an expert on foreign policy because you supposedly saw
people getting shot at a table in some banana republic?



I am an advanced amateur at being shot at, having been a target three
times, and each time by right wingers...And yes,I know a bit about
foreign policy.


Up until now you claimed to be shot at twice. Now it's three
times. Check the archives.

Three times. Always been three, **** for brains

I also only remember two


So...


Greg has a mind like a steel trap. You need to keep your stories
straight, otherwise you'll be made again.


He does? And you have a mind like...well, there's no evidence you have a
mind.


There you go again mr mushroom. Do you ever tire of making
childish insults?
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Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 12/28/16 10:37 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/27/16 11:09 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/27/16 4:19 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 27 Dec 2016 15:14:04 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 12/27/16 2:56 PM, Tim wrote:
I'm sure there is a good reason for this. Like, removing history class
for the history majors. The students probably know it all anyhow, so
why waste man power and tuition expenses . Pass em anyhow.

Sounds logical to me. After all a sheepskin proves your knowledge, right?

So, you and FlaJim the Moron know as much "history" as someone with a
B.A. in it, eh? Doubtful. And of course you know as much about the
design and manufacture of electric motors as, say, degreed mechanical or
electrical engineers, eh? Doubtful. And FlaJim knows as much about
chipping paint on a navy vessel as, oh, a guy who chips paint on a navy
vessel...

Did you actually read the post you are responding to? I certainly bet
I know more about US history than a GW graduate who did not have to
take a single US history course to get his BA. Where did he get all of
this knowledge? Smoking dope and watching the History channel in his
dorm room? He could have saved the fifty grand and just bought a basic
cable package at home in his mom's basement.


I doubt at 22 you knew as much about history as a college grad in
history at the same age.
And as for whether he/she studied U.S. history, well that would have
depended upon the cycle and sequence taken for the major. If your major
was medieval history of Europe, you wouldn't have spent a lot of time
taking courses about the United States. Or maybe any time.
Reading random books and papers, as you apparently did, ain't the same
as following a course of study taught by professors and discussed by
students discussing similar material in a classroom setting and
producing college-level papers. You may think it is the same, and
results in the same, but...it doesn't.


If you have a degree in history, you should have general knowledge of all
history. Not just what you specialized in!


So, you're now on the California board of regents, eh?


Closer than you. I grew up with Clark Kerr Jr. Seems to be if you know
someone, their knowledge is your knowledge. Plus I pay taxes to support
the California school system. So why should a history major, not have at
least a knowledge of his country's history?


Wow. You knew the son of Clark Kerr. I know the nephew of Gore Vidal. BFD.


Was the nephew a blood relative. When you're ****ing up ropes
every detail matters.
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Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 12/28/16 10:39 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/27/16 11:09 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/27/16 6:03 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/27/2016 3:14 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/27/16 2:56 PM, Tim wrote:
I'm sure there is a good reason for this. Like, removing history class
for the history majors. The students probably know it all anyhow, so
why waste man power and tuition expenses . Pass em anyhow.

Sounds logical to me. After all a sheepskin proves your knowledge,
right?

So, you and FlaJim the Moron know as much "history" as someone with a
B.A. in it, eh? Doubtful. And of course you know as much about the
design and manufacture of electric motors as, say, degreed mechanical or
electrical engineers, eh? Doubtful. And FlaJim knows as much about
chipping paint on a navy vessel as, oh, a guy who chips paint on a navy
vessel...


Harry, you have a erroneous idea of what a degree represents.

I am certain that Tim knows far more about the design and manufacture of
electric motors than I do. I studied and know the basics but never had
reason to open a book about them in my career. A BA in anything
doesn't make you an expert or even qualified in a subject. It's a
global starting point for some. Others can (and do) achieve knowledge
and expertise in areas in which they work or study ... without a degree.
This is not intended to be "anti-academic" as you often like to accuse
others of being. It's simply a fact. Do you think you could have had
a successful career without your college degrees?


I wouldn't have been hired by a major U.S. newspaper unless I was well
along in my B.A. degree, and I wouldn't have been recruited by The
Associated Press unless I had been working for a paper and had a degree.
I was hired by the paper at a journalism honorary society dinner because
I was being inducted into the society, even though I wasn't a journalism
school major, but merely a regular contributor to the college newspaper
and a stringer for another newspaper. I learned how to write in high
school, but I learned how to write for a newspaper at the Kansas City
Star. I learned reportorial techniques in the few j-school courses I
took after completing the requirements for my English major.


So a journalism degree is not needed to jounalize?


No. General knowledge and the ability to ask questions and write are,
though. I picked up a few "trade school" skills in the j-school courses.


So why the degree requirements?


Sorry, I didn't make the rules back then.


I doubt you ever made any rules. You just aren't important enough
to be a boss.
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On 12/28/16 12:54 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 11:54:29 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 12/28/16 11:35 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 10:13:07 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 12/27/16 9:52 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 27 Dec 2016 19:00:35 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 12/27/16 4:19 PM, wrote:


Did you actually read the post you are responding to? I certainly bet
I know more about US history than a GW graduate who did not have to
take a single US history course to get his BA. Where did he get all of
this knowledge? Smoking dope and watching the History channel in his
dorm room? He could have saved the fifty grand and just bought a basic
cable package at home in his mom's basement.


I doubt at 22 you knew as much about history as a college grad in
history at the same age.
And as for whether he/she studied U.S. history, well that would have
depended upon the cycle and sequence taken for the major. If your major
was medieval history of Europe, you wouldn't have spent a lot of time
taking courses about the United States. Or maybe any time.
Reading random books and papers, as you apparently did, ain't the same
as following a course of study taught by professors and discussed by
students discussing similar material in a classroom setting and
producing college-level papers. You may think it is the same, and
results in the same, but...it doesn't.


Dance Mr Bojangles.
You don't seem to give me any credit for 50 years of life experience
so the bet stands as is. If this kid does not take American history at
GW, I will sit for the test and he can sit for the same one. Give me
$100 a point and I will make at least five grand.
Make it easy, just use two of those 50 question Face book quizzes.


I'd love to see your test results after a senior level exam on medieval
european history, what the "kid" was studying.

Having exactly NOTHING to do with American history other than perhaps
the desire to get the **** out of Europe..

And perhaps you might
enlighten us as to how the Frontier Thesis could have been used by
blacks to more fully integrate this country.

That was just Turner's opinion and widely criticized as being far to
narrow of an opinion by many, including his contemporaries.
I gave you my opinion about the integration of blacks and you roundly
rejected it without actually dealing with any of the points. Why would
I hypothesize about someone else's theory when that was not even the
main thrust of the piece?
It is true that blacks had more opportunity in the west but that may
have just been that they had the common enemy of the natives to fight
along side the whites. If you were a settler in Kansas, under attack
by indians, you certainly were happy to see a troop of Buffalo
Soldiers coming across the plain.



Once again, I doubt at 22 you knew as much history as a college grad of
the same age who was a history major. There's no way to prove that at 70
you have the rigorous education in history as a current graduate history
major of 22. That you may have read a pile of books is not proof of
knowledge. Where are your papers? Where are your presentations? Where
are your academic discussions?


You certainly put a lot of credence on the pontificating of a few
bloviating academics who have never done anything but go to school at
5 and never left.

Also, I didn't ask you for a critique of the Frontier Thesis. I asked
you how it could have been used by blacks to more fully integrate this
country. The question is a modern one and really has little to do with
the expansion of the west, per se, or the Buffalo Soldiers.

I wasn't sure where you were going with that brain fart but I assumed
you thought I would be impressed by something I read and reported on
in high school.


1. In college in subjects such as political science, history, English,
literature, et cetera, you demonstrate command of subject matter by
writing papers, preparing and presenting presentations, and
participating in discussions, and by taking various kinds of
examinations. This is what the students do. You may think it is nothing
more than the "pontificating of a few bloviating academics," but you
would be wrong. Again. Before my wife could get her doctorate, she had
to pass a three day written exam in her field - three days in a row -and
then after that she had to take an all-day oral exam given to her by
four or maybe five faculty members, including two from other
universities, to defend her dissertation. You have to show what you
know. That's a bit more work than typing up a list of books you may have
read.

2. No, I'm not. I asked you - twice - a fairly specific question that
had nothing to do with something you read and reported on in high
school. The question had more to do with your understanding of the
Frontier Thesis and whether you knew enough history in regard to that
Thesis and to its application in modern times to societal integration.
This is the sort of question a contemporary student of U.S. history
might be asked on a final exam, to see if he/she really understood the
study materials and could apply them. You don't get that ability,
usually, by reading a helter-skelter list of books that sound
interesting to you.

You may well be a "student of history," as you claim, but that doesn't
mean you have completed the academic requirements to be anything more
than a guy who has read some books, or that you have the background to
show you know more than someone with a B.A. and M.A. in history and a
lifetime of study and writing in the field.