On 12/29/16 1:44 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 14:54:57 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:



2. No, I'm not. I asked you - twice - a fairly specific question that
had nothing to do with something you read and reported on in high
school.

You obviously don't understand that you aren't in charge here, and can't demand answers that you seek.


I asked, asshole, I didn't demand.

You asked me to create a case for something based on a theory I did
not agree with. I gave you the best case I could make for how the
exceptionalism created by the pioneering experience would affect the
advancement of black people and I gave it to you. Pioneers were less
likely to have prejudices against black people.
If I step back and look at Turner a century later, I see a different
thing. That pioneering spirit and independence that exists is still
concentrated outside the big cities in flyover country. The people in
the cities, like you, are reaching back to Europe for the model of how
you want the democracy to go on. You want an all powerful government,
more akin to a monarchy than a democracy.
Is Trump the outcome of that experience Turner says molded our
democracy?


Actually, I was referring to how the white man's expansion of the west,
as outlined by Turner, caused the end of native American society and
culture, for the most part. The white man went everywhere, leaving no
stone unturned, as it were. There were no reasonable places for the
native Americans to hide. Had the blacks been able to do this in the
40s, 50s, and 60s, going everywhere, as it were, and leaving no areas
unintegrated, we would have today a far different less much less
segregated society, because "white flight" would have been
meaningless...there would be black faces everywhere. HUD tried to do
some of this in the 1970s and 1980s, but the attempts to require
inclusion of lower income properties in or adjacent to "fancy"
subdivisions was only modestly successful.

On 12/29/16 1:59 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 16:34:23 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Gee. I guess you should have informed Bill Gates, Steve Jobs
Frank Lloyd Wright, Buckminster Fuller, James Cameron, Mark Zuckerberg,
Tom Hanks, Harrison Ford, Lady Gaga and Tiger Woods (among others) that
none of them were really qualified to be successful in their respective
careers. None are/were college graduates.

You are a classic example of an academic. The schools you attended and
the classes you took are more important to you than what you later
achieved with the introduction of knowledge they provided you.

To listen to Harry you would think he was a PHD from Harvard. He is
certainly making a lot of smoke over a half century old BA from a
university ranked down in the 3 digit category and probably best known
for a fairly good basketball team but we never heard he played.

I am waiting for the "Scary Harry, power forward" stories.



The funny thing is that while the school had a good basketball team, not
great, while I was there, the field house was always referred to as "the
house that Wilt (Chamberlain) built" years after he was gone. The
football team was also not Top 10, even with the redoubtable Gale
Sayers.

On 12/29/16 2:04 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 16:37:40 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Seems to me that "Liberal Arts" was what you signed up for in college
when you didn't have a clue what you wanted to be when you grew up.

Maybe that was my "Problem". I had a very good idea of what I wanted
to be when I grew up and I did it. Any education I sought was toward
that goal. Once I had a good job, I had the opportunity to seek
knowledge in all sorts of other fields and in other venues.


My dad parlayed his apparently significant graphic arts abilities he
developed in high school into an academic scholarship at a major
Pennsylvania university. His uncle, a Russian immigrant like his dad,
helped out, and during the Great Depression after graduation, he worked
for that uncle as manager of displays and merchandising for the latter's
small chain of variety stores, and also a store and regional manager.
When he had his boat store, my dad would spend the slow winter hours at
the store painting rather risque portraits of nudes and semi-nudes of
voluptuous women he never met, an avocation that drove my mom nuts. A
friend's father in Overland Park, Kansas, a real estate developer, had
artistic abilities, too, and he would sculpt nudes of well-developed
women he never met, a hobby that also drive his wife nuts. Ahhh, art!

On 12/29/16 6:55 AM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 12/28/16 9:47 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 17:49:49 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

If you knew what comprised the liberal arts, you might not say that...or
maybe you would. Math and the physical sciences, for example, are
included in the liberal arts.

===

Yes but they are watered down courses that don't require (or teach) in
depth knowledge. Ask any engineer or physicist who has studied the
real thing.


That's just bull****. Universities typically have "Colleges of Arts and
Sciences," and the courses contained within usually are the same
offerings any student who wants to take can take, assuming the pre-reqs
are met. Once you get past the typical freshman "101" stuff, you are
into the real thing. I'm not saying "easier" courses don't exist here
and there but for the most part what you are describing is fiction. If,
for example, you are "pre-med" in a college of arts and sciences and
majoring in biology, the classes you take are going to be on the same
list of offerings other students in the college of arts and sciences can
take.


Is that why NASA covets Kansas Klown Kollege graduates and shuns
MIT graduates.? You are such a dip****, Harry.


All you are doing is offering up further evidence of your ignorance,
**** for brains. You couldn't get a job at my alma mater raking leaves.

Oh...scientist alum include:

Jon Davies (BS 1980), meteorologist, expert on severe thunderstorm
environments and forecasting
Paul R. Ehrlich (MA/PhD 1957), entomologist, researcher and author of
The Population Bomb, and 1990 MacArthur Fellow recipient
Joe Engle (BS 1955), former NASA astronaut and a retired U.S. Air Force
colonel[24]
Ronald E. Evans (BS 1956), former NASA astronaut and a retired U.S. Navy
captain[25]
Robert M. Haralick (BA 1964, BS 1966, MS 1967, PhD 1969), Distinguished
Professor of Computer Science, Graduate Center, City University of New
York[26]
Steve Hawley (BA 1973), former NASA director and astronaut; Professor of
Physics and Astronomy at KU
Erasmus Haworth, founder of the Kansas Geological Survey
David Hillis, evolutionary biologist and 1999 MacArthur Fellow recipient
Wes Jackson (MA 1960), environmental historian and founder of the Land
Institute, a 1992 MacArthur Fellow recipient
Richard F. Johnston, ornithologist and author, onetime curator of the
Natural History Museum
William T. Kane, physicist in field of fiber optics
Joseph W. Kennedy (MA 1937), co-discoverer of the element plutonium
Brian McClendon (BSEE 1986), VP of Engineering for Google Earth,
formerly Keyhole, Inc.
Elmer McCollum, co-discoverer of Vitamin A
Nariman Mehta, pharmacologist, developer of the antidepressant and
smoking cessation drug bupropion
Rear Admiral Wayne E. Meyer, "father" of the Aegis Combat System and
namesake of the USS Wayne E. Meyer naval destroyer
Douglas Shane (BS 1982), director of flight operations for SpaceShipOne,
which made the first privately funded human spaceflight
Vernon L. Smith (M.A. in economics 1952), awarded the 2002 Nobel
Memorial Prize in Economics[1]
Kathryn Stephenson (MD 1941), first American woman board-certified
plastic surgeon
Walter Sutton, pioneer of cellular biology and genetics, physician, inventor
George Tiller (BS 1963, MD 1967), physician, abortion provider,
pro-choice advocate
Clyde Tombaugh, astronomer, discoverer of the dwarf planet Pluto
Kent Whealy, co-founder of the Seed Savers Exchange; 1988 MacArthur
Fellow recipient

Did you even graduate from high school?

On Thu, 29 Dec 2016 06:49:17 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:


That's just bull****. Universities typically have "Colleges of Arts and
Sciences," and the courses contained within usually are the same
offerings any student who wants to take can take, assuming the pre-reqs
are met. Once you get past the typical freshman "101" stuff, you are
into the real thing.

===

In a top rated engineering school the freshman 101 courses are already
the real thing and students are expected to hit the ground running.

On 12/29/16 8:00 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 29 Dec 2016 06:49:17 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:


That's just bull****. Universities typically have "Colleges of Arts and
Sciences," and the courses contained within usually are the same
offerings any student who wants to take can take, assuming the pre-reqs
are met. Once you get past the typical freshman "101" stuff, you are
into the real thing.

===

In a top rated engineering school the freshman 101 courses are already
the real thing and students are expected to hit the ground running.


I suppose that is is wonderful if you want to be an engineer. Wait...you
went to a top-rated engineering school to become a bankster? What's that
old engineering school joke... "Before I went to engineering school, I
couldn't spell engineer...now I are one."

Bankstering...in the good old days in New England, white Protestant boys
with no particular skills went into banking because it was a white
collar job and they could wear a suit, and they didn't have to compete
with sharper, smarter Catholic and Jewish boys, for whom the banking
doors were mostly closed.

Were you at least a line officer at Citicorp or were you just a staff
puke with a title?

On Thursday, December 29, 2016 at 8:24:19 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/29/16 8:00 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 29 Dec 2016 06:49:17 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:


That's just bull****. Universities typically have "Colleges of Arts and
Sciences," and the courses contained within usually are the same
offerings any student who wants to take can take, assuming the pre-reqs
are met. Once you get past the typical freshman "101" stuff, you are
into the real thing.

===

In a top rated engineering school the freshman 101 courses are already
the real thing and students are expected to hit the ground running.


I suppose that is is wonderful if you want to be an engineer. Wait...you
went to a top-rated engineering school to become a bankster? What's that
old engineering school joke... "Before I went to engineering school, I
couldn't spell engineer...now I are one."

Bankstering...in the good old days in New England, white Protestant boys
with no particular skills went into banking because it was a white
collar job and they could wear a suit, and they didn't have to compete
with sharper, smarter Catholic and Jewish boys, for whom the banking
doors were mostly closed.

Were you at least a line officer at Citicorp or were you just a staff
puke with a title?

He's retired and lives on the water in Florida, has a nice boat, and goes on some really nice boating adventures.

Put away the ugly green monster, harry. It'll eat you up.

On 12/29/16 8:31 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Thursday, December 29, 2016 at 8:24:19 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/29/16 8:00 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 29 Dec 2016 06:49:17 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:


That's just bull****. Universities typically have "Colleges of Arts and
Sciences," and the courses contained within usually are the same
offerings any student who wants to take can take, assuming the pre-reqs
are met. Once you get past the typical freshman "101" stuff, you are
into the real thing.

===

In a top rated engineering school the freshman 101 courses are already
the real thing and students are expected to hit the ground running.


I suppose that is is wonderful if you want to be an engineer. Wait...you
went to a top-rated engineering school to become a bankster? What's that
old engineering school joke... "Before I went to engineering school, I
couldn't spell engineer...now I are one."

Bankstering...in the good old days in New England, white Protestant boys
with no particular skills went into banking because it was a white
collar job and they could wear a suit, and they didn't have to compete
with sharper, smarter Catholic and Jewish boys, for whom the banking
doors were mostly closed.

Were you at least a line officer at Citicorp or were you just a staff
puke with a title?

He's retired and lives on the water in Florida, has a nice boat, and goes on some really nice boating adventures.

Put away the ugly green monster, harry. It'll eat you up.


Oh, please...there's nothing about any of the righties here that makes
me even slightly jealous, least of all w'hine.

On Thu, 29 Dec 2016 07:02:14 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 12/29/16 1:44 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 14:54:57 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:



2. No, I'm not. I asked you - twice - a fairly specific question that
had nothing to do with something you read and reported on in high
school.

You obviously don't understand that you aren't in charge here, and can't demand answers that you seek.


I asked, asshole, I didn't demand.

You asked me to create a case for something based on a theory I did
not agree with. I gave you the best case I could make for how the
exceptionalism created by the pioneering experience would affect the
advancement of black people and I gave it to you. Pioneers were less
likely to have prejudices against black people.
If I step back and look at Turner a century later, I see a different
thing. That pioneering spirit and independence that exists is still
concentrated outside the big cities in flyover country. The people in
the cities, like you, are reaching back to Europe for the model of how
you want the democracy to go on. You want an all powerful government,
more akin to a monarchy than a democracy.
Is Trump the outcome of that experience Turner says molded our
democracy?


Actually, I was referring to how the white man's expansion of the west,
as outlined by Turner, caused the end of native American society and
culture, for the most part. The white man went everywhere, leaving no
stone unturned, as it were. There were no reasonable places for the
native Americans to hide. Had the blacks been able to do this in the
40s, 50s, and 60s, going everywhere, as it were, and leaving no areas
unintegrated, we would have today a far different less much less
segregated society, because "white flight" would have been
meaningless...there would be black faces everywhere. HUD tried to do
some of this in the 1970s and 1980s, but the attempts to require
inclusion of lower income properties in or adjacent to "fancy"
subdivisions was only modestly successful.

To start with this has little to do with Turner's thesis. The black
people who did have the pioneering spirit, did go west. That has
nothing to do with the government building "projects" in the suburbs.
Don't you think economic issues have as much to do with this as skin
color? Nobody living in a rich neighborhood wants a title 9 housing
project next door. You also have the problem that there is no welfare
money to be had out in the hinterlands. We have already had this
conversation when I suggested LBJ caused a lot of these problems by
piling the welfare money up in the big cities and now we see the
result. That is where the concentrations of poverty are.

On Thu, 29 Dec 2016 08:24:17 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 12/29/16 8:00 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 29 Dec 2016 06:49:17 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:


That's just bull****. Universities typically have "Colleges of Arts and
Sciences," and the courses contained within usually are the same
offerings any student who wants to take can take, assuming the pre-reqs
are met. Once you get past the typical freshman "101" stuff, you are
into the real thing.

===

In a top rated engineering school the freshman 101 courses are already
the real thing and students are expected to hit the ground running.


I suppose that is is wonderful if you want to be an engineer. Wait...you
went to a top-rated engineering school to become a bankster? What's that
old engineering school joke... "Before I went to engineering school, I
couldn't spell engineer...now I are one."

Bankstering...in the good old days in New England, white Protestant boys
with no particular skills went into banking because it was a white
collar job and they could wear a suit, and they didn't have to compete
with sharper, smarter Catholic and Jewish boys, for whom the banking
doors were mostly closed.

Were you at least a line officer at Citicorp or were you just a staff
puke with a title?

===

Your knowledge of the financial industry is so seriously deficient
that it sounds like it came from a comic book or a freshman level
political screed. My advice? Stick to what you know, whatever that
is.