On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 9:00:08 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/14/17 8:43 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 8:28:52 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:




My truck is quiet enough for me to listen to my favorite classical music
at moderate sound pressure levels. It'll do 0-60 in under 8 seconds and
probably closer to 7, fast enough for a pickup truck.

The tests of your truck report 0-60 times of *over* 8 seconds, with professional drivers.


I beat 8 seconds several times once the truck had 5000 miles on it, and
I'm not the word's best shifter on the manual tranny.

I'm sure you got the one truck that is capable of beating the times that professional drivers were able to obtain with instrumented timing gear.
Uh-huh.

On 1/14/17 9:17 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 8:57:22 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/14/17 8:50 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 8:40:27 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/14/17 8:35 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 14 Jan 2017 05:29:57 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/13/2017 11:35 PM, RGrew176 wrote:
Mr. Luddite;1074809 Wrote:
I've been doing some research on smaller trucks to replace the F-250 I
have now. The main criteria is something that Mrs.E will feel
comfortable driving (meaning smaller) yet still has the tow capacity to

handle the little camper she bought last summer. Ideal would be a tow
capacity of 5K to 6K lbs to tow the little 4K lb. camper.

I happened to be looking at the Tacoma and recalled you posting that
yours is rated to tow 6,400 lbs. You also have said you have the four
cylinder, 4x4 with a manual transmission.

You might want to verify your tow rating for that configuration.
According to Toyota, it is only rated to tow 3,500 lbs. (2016 model
specs).



To bad you can't wait until 2019. Ford has a new Ranger pickup coming
out then. A new Bronco is coming out in 2020 and the F-150 will be
getting a 3.0L Powerstroke diesel in 2018. I think down the road that
3.0 diesel will find its way into other Ford products such as the
Ranger, Bronco, Expedition and Explorer.

Is that when the new Ranger is debuting? I'd actually like to wait and
see because according to the press release I saw it will be a
"mid-sized" truck. I really liked the Ranger as did a lot of other
people. You certainly see a lot of them on the road. The problem is
that I am not so sure her Mountaineer will last that long. She uses it
a lot and it has about 175K miles on it now.

The only bad experience I've ever had with Ford products was the 2005
F-350 diesel (6.0L) and it's problems were all related to the
International engine. If those problems hadn't existed I'd probably
still be driving it now.


If you and several others hadn't had so many problems with that diesel engine, I'd probably be
driving a Ford now.


You want problems, expensive problems, you should buy an Audi.

How would you know? You don't own one. Based on a sample size of one that a friend owns?

I've had two, and my second one has needed *nothing* in the way of maintenance other than oil changes. Maybe you should stick to what you know. What is that, other than being an asshole and 7th grade attempts at insults?


A close relative owns one. It spends a lot of time in the shop with its
over-engineered systems breaking down.

As I said, a sample size of one. I've actually had experience with four... my two, and two that my wife had from her previous job where cars were provided to the executives. They were all very reliable, with virtually no time in the shop. All vehicle have lemons from time to time. You're experience isn't indicative of the world.

"Improvement is possible. Audi, once described by Consumer Reports as "a sinkhole of service problems," is now the top-ranked European brand in the magazine's annual reliability rankings. Audi, which is one of several Volkswagen (VLKAF) luxury brands, has improved greatly over the last few years, according to the report."

Maybe your relative just has an old, worn out one.


So, it has improved from being a sinkhole...great.

On 1/14/17 9:19 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 9:00:08 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/14/17 8:43 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 8:28:52 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:




My truck is quiet enough for me to listen to my favorite classical music
at moderate sound pressure levels. It'll do 0-60 in under 8 seconds and
probably closer to 7, fast enough for a pickup truck.

The tests of your truck report 0-60 times of *over* 8 seconds, with professional drivers.


I beat 8 seconds several times once the truck had 5000 miles on it, and
I'm not the word's best shifter on the manual tranny.

I'm sure you got the one truck that is capable of beating the times that professional drivers were able to obtain with instrumented timing gear.
Uh-huh.


I believe most of those tests were done with auto transmissions and
since then, Toyota has reprogrammed them to operate more efficiently and
to change gears at different shift points. In any event, the opinions of
someone like you are of no consequence to me.

Tim Wrote in message:
On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 4:23:57 PM UTC-6, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 16:41:00 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 1/13/17 4:16 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/13/2017 4:12 PM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 1/13/17 2:40 PM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:

I've been doing some research on smaller trucks to replace the F-250 I
have now. The main criteria is something that Mrs.E will feel
comfortable driving (meaning smaller) yet still has the tow
capacity to
handle the little camper she bought last summer. Ideal would be a tow
capacity of 5K to 6K lbs to tow the little 4K lb. camper.

I happened to be looking at the Tacoma and recalled you posting that
yours is rated to tow 6,400 lbs. You also have said you have the four
cylinder, 4x4 with a manual transmission.

You might want to verify your tow rating for that configuration.
According to Toyota, it is only rated to tow 3,500 lbs. (2016 model
specs).


That ought to be able to haul a 20 ft Pahkah, his last known,
(thought to be real), boat.


And once again, you display your ignorance. The boat with engine and
gear and fuel was about 3400 pounds, and the trailer added substantially
to that, putting the weight of the full rig way over 3,500 pounds. Stick
to what you know, whatever that might be.


You agree with Luddite's findings then? You overstated your
capacity by a whopping 3000 pounds. Almost twice the real
capacity. I'm wondering if you know anything that really
matters.



I could have sworn that he told us that his Tacoma had the four cylinder
rather than the V6 but apparently I was wrong. The Tacoma with the V6
and the tow package is indeed rated for 6400 lbs towing.

No, I wouldn't have bought a four-cylinder gasoline engine truck. I am,
however, very impressed with the four-cylinder engine in my wife's
Toyota Camry and probably wouldn't consider a car with a V-6 or V-8. The
Camry is peppy, and cruises at interstate speed limits with the engine
loafing.


My new car has a v6. A 2.2 litre 4 with a turbo doesn' t meet my
requirements for the vehicle. Gas mileage is better than my
wife's crv. Go figure.

My wife got the top of the line Subaru to replace the VW diesel. Took it on the trip to Tampa. Very
nice to drive and quite peppy with the four cylinder. In cruise control it automatically slows when
pulling up behind a slower mover, then speeds back up when the lane is changed. Hell, there's
nothing to do but keep the damn thing between the lines. And, without a signal on, the thing beeps
at you when you get too close to a line. Got right around 30mpg for the trip.

wifes 2016 Honda CRV has all the 4cyl pep you need and gets 32-36 with cruise locked on 65


Ours is getting 26 mpg over thousands of miles of mixed driving
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On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 8:55:23 AM UTC-6, justan wrote:
Tim Wrote in message:
On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 4:23:57 PM UTC-6, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 16:41:00 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 1/13/17 4:16 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/13/2017 4:12 PM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 1/13/17 2:40 PM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:

I've been doing some research on smaller trucks to replace the F-250 I
have now. The main criteria is something that Mrs.E will feel
comfortable driving (meaning smaller) yet still has the tow
capacity to
handle the little camper she bought last summer. Ideal would be a tow
capacity of 5K to 6K lbs to tow the little 4K lb. camper.

I happened to be looking at the Tacoma and recalled you posting that
yours is rated to tow 6,400 lbs. You also have said you have the four
cylinder, 4x4 with a manual transmission.

You might want to verify your tow rating for that configuration.
According to Toyota, it is only rated to tow 3,500 lbs. (2016 model
specs).


That ought to be able to haul a 20 ft Pahkah, his last known,
(thought to be real), boat.


And once again, you display your ignorance. The boat with engine and
gear and fuel was about 3400 pounds, and the trailer added substantially
to that, putting the weight of the full rig way over 3,500 pounds. Stick
to what you know, whatever that might be.


You agree with Luddite's findings then? You overstated your
capacity by a whopping 3000 pounds. Almost twice the real
capacity. I'm wondering if you know anything that really
matters.



I could have sworn that he told us that his Tacoma had the four cylinder
rather than the V6 but apparently I was wrong. The Tacoma with the V6
and the tow package is indeed rated for 6400 lbs towing.

No, I wouldn't have bought a four-cylinder gasoline engine truck. I am,
however, very impressed with the four-cylinder engine in my wife's
Toyota Camry and probably wouldn't consider a car with a V-6 or V-8. The
Camry is peppy, and cruises at interstate speed limits with the engine
loafing.


My new car has a v6. A 2.2 litre 4 with a turbo doesn' t meet my
requirements for the vehicle. Gas mileage is better than my
wife's crv. Go figure.

My wife got the top of the line Subaru to replace the VW diesel. Took it on the trip to Tampa. Very
nice to drive and quite peppy with the four cylinder. In cruise control it automatically slows when
pulling up behind a slower mover, then speeds back up when the lane is changed. Hell, there's
nothing to do but keep the damn thing between the lines. And, without a signal on, the thing beeps
at you when you get too close to a line. Got right around 30mpg for the trip.

wifes 2016 Honda CRV has all the 4cyl pep you need and gets 32-36 with cruise locked on 65


Ours is getting 26 mpg over thousands of miles of mixed driving
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Yes, Id say that would be a good assesment. city driving takes it down quite a bit, but still not bad.

Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 1/13/17 10:57 PM, Alex wrote:
Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 20:05:47 -0500, Alex wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:
I've been doing some research on smaller trucks to replace the F-250 I
have now. The main criteria is something that Mrs.E will feel
comfortable driving (meaning smaller) yet still has the tow capacity
to handle the little camper she bought last summer. Ideal would be a
tow capacity of 5K to 6K lbs to tow the little 4K lb. camper.

I happened to be looking at the Tacoma and recalled you posting that
yours is rated to tow 6,400 lbs. You also have said you have the four
cylinder, 4x4 with a manual transmission.

You might want to verify your tow rating for that configuration.
According to Toyota, it is only rated to tow 3,500 lbs. (2016 model
specs).
It also has lousy reviews.

No, it has a great review! Funnier than ****:

"For all of Toyotas claims that this is an all-new truck, key
features seem as though Toyota slept
through the past decades advances in truck technology and interior
design.

Todays modern full-sized trucks feature a quiet cabin, a semblance of
handling responsiveness, and
a tolerable ride. But the compact Tacoma has none of that.

Unlike other V6-powered Toyota models, our tested Tacoma never feels
quick from a standing start or
when passingdespite the robust acceleration figures as measured on
our track. Fuel economy with the
not-so-smooth six-speed automatic transmission is 19 mpg overall on
regular gas, quite good for a
truck and a clear improvement over its predecessor.

Out on the road, the Tacomas handling is ponderous, and its slow and
numb steering never connects
the driver to the front wheels. Clearly clumsy around corners, it
never felt unsafe. The chassiss
propensity to jiggle and shudder delivers a Metallica snare-drum beat
to your spine. Wind and engine
noise drown out any chance of conversation, even at modest speeds.
Braking performance is subpar.

Inside, it still has a too-high step-in, a too-low drivers seat, and
a ceiling that scrapes scalps
of those entering the cabin.

The front seats are flat and uncomfortable, have limited support, and
offer only the most basic
adjustments. The rear seat in our crew cab is no better, with hard
padding, cramped leg and foot
room, and short cushionsalthough it flips up to reveal useful storage
bins. Outward visibility is
decent, but the narrow, shallow windows make it less commanding.

Controls are basic and easy to readessential when reaching for some
of the faraway knobs and
buttons."

Excerpted from the June 2016 issue of Consumer Reports magazine.

That's the same review I read. It was uncharacteristic of CR so it must
be really that bad. I'm sure this is what convinced Harry to buy it:
"Controls are basic and easy to read"



I thought the CR review was hilarious. When I bought my 2016 Tacoma, the
only other "choice" for a pickup in that class was the Chevy-GM model
and the Tacomas had a better resale value historically and much better
reliability. I doubt that has changed. The Honda pickup was and still
isn't a real truck and the Dodge offering is...well, the typical
Dodge-Jeep crapola. The Nissan is not a contender.

My truck is quiet enough for me to listen to my favorite classical music
at moderate sound pressure levels. It'll do 0-60 in under 8 seconds and
probably closer to 7, fast enough for a pickup truck. I'm getting 22-24
mpg in our suburban area with my manual transmission V-6. The "handling"
is typical pickup truck, exactly what I would expect. There's no chassis
jiggle or shudder. The model I have has heavier duty shocks and springs,
which serve it well off-road.

The step-in is high, but my truck is a 4X4 with a raised suspension.
Duh. I've yet to "scrap" my scalp while getting into the cab.

The reality is, if one of the right-wing deplorables here had the truck,
most of the fellow deplorables would be singing its praise.

I think the testers at CR were looking for a Honda Civic in a truck, as
opposed to...a truck.





You say it isn't a truck. What is it. Interestingly enough, my car
is listed as a truck in the mfr's paperwork. TINO
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On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 4:37:54 AM UTC-6, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/13/2017 11:51 PM, Tim wrote:
On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 4:23:57 PM UTC-6, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 16:41:00 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 1/13/17 4:16 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/13/2017 4:12 PM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 1/13/17 2:40 PM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:

I've been doing some research on smaller trucks to replace the F-250 I
have now. The main criteria is something that Mrs.E will feel
comfortable driving (meaning smaller) yet still has the tow
capacity to
handle the little camper she bought last summer. Ideal would be a tow
capacity of 5K to 6K lbs to tow the little 4K lb. camper.

I happened to be looking at the Tacoma and recalled you posting that
yours is rated to tow 6,400 lbs. You also have said you have the four
cylinder, 4x4 with a manual transmission.

You might want to verify your tow rating for that configuration.
According to Toyota, it is only rated to tow 3,500 lbs. (2016 model
specs).


That ought to be able to haul a 20 ft Pahkah, his last known,
(thought to be real), boat.


And once again, you display your ignorance. The boat with engine and
gear and fuel was about 3400 pounds, and the trailer added substantially
to that, putting the weight of the full rig way over 3,500 pounds. Stick
to what you know, whatever that might be.


You agree with Luddite's findings then? You overstated your
capacity by a whopping 3000 pounds. Almost twice the real
capacity. I'm wondering if you know anything that really
matters.



I could have sworn that he told us that his Tacoma had the four cylinder
rather than the V6 but apparently I was wrong. The Tacoma with the V6
and the tow package is indeed rated for 6400 lbs towing.

No, I wouldn't have bought a four-cylinder gasoline engine truck. I am,
however, very impressed with the four-cylinder engine in my wife's
Toyota Camry and probably wouldn't consider a car with a V-6 or V-8. The
Camry is peppy, and cruises at interstate speed limits with the engine
loafing.


My new car has a v6. A 2.2 litre 4 with a turbo doesn' t meet my
requirements for the vehicle. Gas mileage is better than my
wife's crv. Go figure.

My wife got the top of the line Subaru to replace the VW diesel. Took it on the trip to Tampa. Very
nice to drive and quite peppy with the four cylinder. In cruise control it automatically slows when
pulling up behind a slower mover, then speeds back up when the lane is changed. Hell, there's
nothing to do but keep the damn thing between the lines. And, without a signal on, the thing beeps
at you when you get too close to a line. Got right around 30mpg for the trip.

wifes 2016 Honda CRV has all the 4cyl pep you need and gets 32-36 with cruise locked on 65


Does that have the "shiftless" transmission? The Altima has that and
initially it took a little getting used to. Now I like it. Plenty of
acceleration when you need it, even on the highway when you stomp on it.
After driving the truck mostly, I have been amazed at the gas mileage.

Richard under normal acceleration you don't feel the classic 'bump' of the gears, but if you nail it to get around something, it'll drop down and you hear the engine scream. Now that you mention it, that does seem like an interesting, yet odd arrangement.

On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 9:39:02 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/14/17 9:17 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 8:57:22 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/14/17 8:50 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 8:40:27 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/14/17 8:35 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 14 Jan 2017 05:29:57 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 1/13/2017 11:35 PM, RGrew176 wrote:
Mr. Luddite;1074809 Wrote:
I've been doing some research on smaller trucks to replace the F-250 I
have now. The main criteria is something that Mrs.E will feel
comfortable driving (meaning smaller) yet still has the tow capacity to

handle the little camper she bought last summer. Ideal would be a tow
capacity of 5K to 6K lbs to tow the little 4K lb. camper.

I happened to be looking at the Tacoma and recalled you posting that
yours is rated to tow 6,400 lbs. You also have said you have the four
cylinder, 4x4 with a manual transmission.

You might want to verify your tow rating for that configuration.
According to Toyota, it is only rated to tow 3,500 lbs. (2016 model
specs).



To bad you can't wait until 2019. Ford has a new Ranger pickup coming
out then. A new Bronco is coming out in 2020 and the F-150 will be
getting a 3.0L Powerstroke diesel in 2018. I think down the road that
3.0 diesel will find its way into other Ford products such as the
Ranger, Bronco, Expedition and Explorer.

Is that when the new Ranger is debuting? I'd actually like to wait and
see because according to the press release I saw it will be a
"mid-sized" truck. I really liked the Ranger as did a lot of other
people. You certainly see a lot of them on the road. The problem is
that I am not so sure her Mountaineer will last that long. She uses it
a lot and it has about 175K miles on it now.

The only bad experience I've ever had with Ford products was the 2005
F-350 diesel (6.0L) and it's problems were all related to the
International engine. If those problems hadn't existed I'd probably
still be driving it now.


If you and several others hadn't had so many problems with that diesel engine, I'd probably be
driving a Ford now.


You want problems, expensive problems, you should buy an Audi.

How would you know? You don't own one. Based on a sample size of one that a friend owns?

I've had two, and my second one has needed *nothing* in the way of maintenance other than oil changes. Maybe you should stick to what you know. What is that, other than being an asshole and 7th grade attempts at insults?


A close relative owns one. It spends a lot of time in the shop with its
over-engineered systems breaking down.

As I said, a sample size of one. I've actually had experience with four... my two, and two that my wife had from her previous job where cars were provided to the executives. They were all very reliable, with virtually no time in the shop. All vehicle have lemons from time to time. You're experience isn't indicative of the world.

"Improvement is possible. Audi, once described by Consumer Reports as "a sinkhole of service problems," is now the top-ranked European brand in the magazine's annual reliability rankings. Audi, which is one of several Volkswagen (VLKAF) luxury brands, has improved greatly over the last few years, according to the report."

Maybe your relative just has an old, worn out one.


So, it has improved from being a sinkhole... to being the top-ranked European brand in the magazine's annual reliability rankings.

That makes you wrong... again.

Its Me Wrote in message:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 8:28:52 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:




My truck is quiet enough for me to listen to my favorite classical music
at moderate sound pressure levels. It'll do 0-60 in under 8 seconds and
probably closer to 7, fast enough for a pickup truck.

The tests of your truck report 0-60 times of *over* 8 seconds, with professional drivers.


Ooopsie. Another lie. Anyone keeping track of how many lies Harry
has told on rec.boats?
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On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 9:40:51 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/14/17 9:19 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 9:00:08 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/14/17 8:43 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 8:28:52 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:




My truck is quiet enough for me to listen to my favorite classical music
at moderate sound pressure levels. It'll do 0-60 in under 8 seconds and
probably closer to 7, fast enough for a pickup truck.

The tests of your truck report 0-60 times of *over* 8 seconds, with professional drivers.


I beat 8 seconds several times once the truck had 5000 miles on it, and
I'm not the word's best shifter on the manual tranny.

I'm sure you got the one truck that is capable of beating the times that professional drivers were able to obtain with instrumented timing gear.
Uh-huh.


I believe most of those tests were done with auto transmissions and
since then, Toyota has reprogrammed them to operate more efficiently and
to change gears at different shift points. In any event, the opinions of
someone like you are of no consequence to me.

And modern autos are faster than manual transmissions, especially when the manual is shifted by someone like you. You are, as usual, full of ****.

Have a nice day.