They are having a rally and there are hundreds here from all over the
country.
BTW at what point is this not a motorcycle?

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Mash%20stom...0slingshot.jpg

These things are stock with a 2,4l engine but there is one here with a
small block V8. There are several with turbos or blowers.
I talked to some drivers and the consensus is when you "lose" one it
spins out. Nobody admits they have heard of flipping one but I did see
a few with substantial roll cages. The pipes holding up the T tops do
not look like they are up to the task. There are plenty of customized
ones buzzing around once I really started looking. They seem to be
owned by fat old bikers who can't pick up a Harley or Gold Wing if
they drop it. Or so one guy told me.

On Fri, 02 Jun 2017 01:19:30 -0400, wrote:

They are having a rally and there are hundreds here from all over the
country.
BTW at what point is this not a motorcycle?

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Mash%20stom...0slingshot.jpg

These things are stock with a 2,4l engine but there is one here with a
small block V8. There are several with turbos or blowers.
I talked to some drivers and the consensus is when you "lose" one it
spins out. Nobody admits they have heard of flipping one but I did see
a few with substantial roll cages. The pipes holding up the T tops do
not look like they are up to the task. There are plenty of customized
ones buzzing around once I really started looking. They seem to be
owned by fat old bikers who can't pick up a Harley or Gold Wing if
they drop it. Or so one guy told me.

You've touched on one of the concerns of motorcyclists. When will Congress decide that these
'motorcycles' should meet the same safety standards as cars, i.e. seatbelts, air bags, side impact
protection, roll bars, etc. And once on a roll, who knows what other 'safety' standards will be
applied to 'motorcycles', whether they be four, three, or two wheeled.

5:27 AMPoco Deplorevole
- show quoted text -
You've touched on one of the concerns of motorcyclists. When will Congress decide that these
'motorcycles' should meet the same safety standards as cars, i.e. seatbelts, air bags, side impact
protection, roll bars, etc. And once on a roll, who knows what other 'safety' standards will be
applied to 'motorcycles', whether they be four, three, or two wheeled.

....

My old '83 wing dropped due to the cenerstand in soft dirt. It weighs 700lb dry, and yes even with crashbars and proper technique it was still a bugger to upright. I don't wanna do that often.

On 6/2/2017 7:14 AM, Tim wrote:
5:27 AMPoco Deplorevole
- show quoted text -
You've touched on one of the concerns of motorcyclists. When will Congress decide that these
'motorcycles' should meet the same safety standards as cars, i.e. seatbelts, air bags, side impact
protection, roll bars, etc. And once on a roll, who knows what other 'safety' standards will be
applied to 'motorcycles', whether they be four, three, or two wheeled.

...

My old '83 wing dropped due to the cenerstand in soft dirt. It weighs 700lb dry, and yes even with crashbars and proper technique it was still a bugger to upright. I don't wanna do that often.


Only time I came close with one of the Ultra Classic Harley's I had was
driving it into to garage beside Mrs.E.'s car. I flipped the kickstand
down with my foot but it didn't extend all the way and when I started to
get off, it started to go down. Fortunately, the grip on the handlebar
came down on top of her trunk and I was able to man-handle it back up.
If it had gone another 5 or 10 degrees, it would have been all over.

I think the Harley Ultra Classic weighs in at close to 900 lbs. It's
also one of the reasons I finally got rid of it. Getting older is a bitch.

On 6/2/17 7:25 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/2/2017 7:14 AM, Tim wrote:
5:27 AMPoco Deplorevole
- show quoted text -
You've touched on one of the concerns of motorcyclists. When will
Congress decide that these
'motorcycles' should meet the same safety standards as cars, i.e.
seatbelts, air bags, side impact
protection, roll bars, etc. And once on a roll, who knows what other
'safety' standards will be
applied to 'motorcycles', whether they be four, three, or two wheeled.

...

My old '83 wing dropped due to the cenerstand in soft dirt. It weighs
700lb dry, and yes even with crashbars and proper technique it was
still a bugger to upright. I don't wanna do that often.


Only time I came close with one of the Ultra Classic Harley's I had was
driving it into to garage beside Mrs.E.'s car. I flipped the kickstand
down with my foot but it didn't extend all the way and when I started to
get off, it started to go down. Fortunately, the grip on the handlebar
came down on top of her trunk and I was able to man-handle it back up.
If it had gone another 5 or 10 degrees, it would have been all over.

I think the Harley Ultra Classic weighs in at close to 900 lbs. It's
also one of the reasons I finally got rid of it. Getting older is a bitch.




One of the neighboring kids just got a really cute little Honda
motorcycle, a 250 cc'er. Nice for tooling around. Kid said the spec
sheet said it weighed about 300 pounds...reasonable to pick up if you
drop it.

A 1000-cc class Duc weighs under 400 pounds. No need to buy a bike
overloaded with avoirdupois.

Heard an over revving motorbike next door last summer and immediately knew it didn't sound right.
Looked out the window and saw the former next door neighbour on the ground pinned under his Harley.
Rushed out and helped him get it back up. He used to be quite strong but a bad bout with throat cancer has left him "not half the man he used to be" (thanks to the Beatles on Yesterday)

On Fri, 2 Jun 2017 07:25:43 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/2/2017 7:14 AM, Tim wrote:
5:27 AMPoco Deplorevole
- show quoted text -
You've touched on one of the concerns of motorcyclists. When will Congress decide that these
'motorcycles' should meet the same safety standards as cars, i.e. seatbelts, air bags, side impact
protection, roll bars, etc. And once on a roll, who knows what other 'safety' standards will be
applied to 'motorcycles', whether they be four, three, or two wheeled.

...

My old '83 wing dropped due to the cenerstand in soft dirt. It weighs 700lb dry, and yes even with crashbars and proper technique it was still a bugger to upright. I don't wanna do that often.


Only time I came close with one of the Ultra Classic Harley's I had was
driving it into to garage beside Mrs.E.'s car. I flipped the kickstand
down with my foot but it didn't extend all the way and when I started to
get off, it started to go down. Fortunately, the grip on the handlebar
came down on top of her trunk and I was able to man-handle it back up.
If it had gone another 5 or 10 degrees, it would have been all over.

I think the Harley Ultra Classic weighs in at close to 900 lbs. It's
also one of the reasons I finally got rid of it. Getting older is a bitch.


My superglide rolled over a couple of times when the kick stand sunk
in the soft dirt. I was able to grunt it back up on the wheels.

On Fri, 2 Jun 2017 04:14:04 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

5:27 AMPoco Deplorevole
- show quoted text -
You've touched on one of the concerns of motorcyclists. When will Congress decide that these
'motorcycles' should meet the same safety standards as cars, i.e. seatbelts, air bags, side impact
protection, roll bars, etc. And once on a roll, who knows what other 'safety' standards will be
applied to 'motorcycles', whether they be four, three, or two wheeled.

...

My old '83 wing dropped due to the cenerstand in soft dirt. It weighs 700lb dry, and yes even with crashbars and proper technique it was still a bugger to upright. I don't wanna do that often.

My first FIL was a motorcycle cop in DC and a little bitty guy (5'5
140 pounds or so and he said you stand on the footboard with one foot,
grab the handle bar and the seat rails and lean back. The trick is
stopping it before it rolls over the other way and lands on you. :-)

He went down a few times in his career. Keep your knees and elbows
tucked in tight and let the crash bars do the work.
It is not something I want to try.
The only time I ever went down was dirt riding ... twice.

On Fri, 02 Jun 2017 06:27:48 -0400, Poco Deplorevole
wrote:

On Fri, 02 Jun 2017 01:19:30 -0400, wrote:

They are having a rally and there are hundreds here from all over the
country.
BTW at what point is this not a motorcycle?

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Mash%20stom...0slingshot.jpg

These things are stock with a 2,4l engine but there is one here with a
small block V8. There are several with turbos or blowers.
I talked to some drivers and the consensus is when you "lose" one it
spins out. Nobody admits they have heard of flipping one but I did see
a few with substantial roll cages. The pipes holding up the T tops do
not look like they are up to the task. There are plenty of customized
ones buzzing around once I really started looking. They seem to be
owned by fat old bikers who can't pick up a Harley or Gold Wing if
they drop it. Or so one guy told me.

You've touched on one of the concerns of motorcyclists. When will Congress decide that these
'motorcycles' should meet the same safety standards as cars, i.e. seatbelts, air bags, side impact
protection, roll bars, etc. And once on a roll, who knows what other 'safety' standards will be
applied to 'motorcycles', whether they be four, three, or two wheeled.

Since these rules are usually made by people who have never had, nor
ever will have a motorcycle, I think they should mind their own
business

On Fri, 2 Jun 2017 06:26:57 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

Wrote in message:
They are having a rally and there are hundreds here from all over the
country.
BTW at what point is this not a motorcycle?

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Mash%20stom...0slingshot.jpg

These things are stock with a 2,4l engine but there is one here with a
small block V8. There are several with turbos or blowers.
I talked to some drivers and the consensus is when you "lose" one it
spins out. Nobody admits they have heard of flipping one but I did see
a few with substantial roll cages. The pipes holding up the T tops do
not look like they are up to the task. There are plenty of customized
ones buzzing around once I really started looking. They seem to be
owned by fat old bikers who can't pick up a Harley or Gold Wing if
they drop it. Or so one guy told me.


You couldn't pick up a wing if you didn't know the technique. They
weigh in at about 1000 pounds and there is very little to grab on
to.

I think I've reached the point where I couldn't get my bike back up if it were on its side on level
ground, and it weighs only about 550 lbs. The crash bars and side bags help a bit in getting it
started, but I don't think I could get it up by myself any more.

I guess that's why God invented AMA Roadside Assistance.