Justan wrote:
True North Wrote in message:
On Saturday, 29 July 2017 12:05:15 UTC-3, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 7/29/17 10:54 AM, Justan wrote:
John H Wrote in message:
On Sat, 29 Jul 2017 01:59:37 -0400, wrote:

This is certainly the truth
http://www.seattlepi.com/comics-and-...re/2017-07-28/

I am now registered at 5 different adoption places and no joy yet. I
do know the world is awash in pit bull mixes.
I also think these "dog" people really do not understand what training
a dog is supposed to be. When did the "crate" thing start being how
you are supposed to keep a dog and what happened to having a dog who
just comes when you call them? This seems to be a foreign concept to
the people I am talking to.
I guess they are thinking if the dog came when you called them they
wouldn't be in the pound in the first place. I go the other way and
try to make home where the dog really wants to be. It has always
worked out for me even though Mr Ed's "dog whistle" was a bottle
rocket ;-)
I've always frowned on the use of crates. However, we now keep the big one in a crate for her own
protection. With two torn ACLs, the lesser the strain on the rear stifles, the better. If company is
coming, she gets crated. At night she used to sleep on the bed. Can't do that because she'll jump
down and back up again. Jumping down is OK. The front legs get the stress. Jumping up just reinjures
whatever scar tissue may have formed. We want to go to Holland again this fall. The vet will board
her, but she'll be crated almost continuously. She can't be allowed to play with other dogs. Hell,
we can't even allow to run in the house. She's usually closed in the office, leashed to a chair, or
crated.

Life sucks with torn ACLs. Both of us are gaining weight 'cause we're not getting in our three miles
a day!

Maybe a dog would help Harry with his weight problem.

Ray Bolger had you pegged...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nauLgZISozs

Of course, you'd have the Big Three reasons to visit the Wizard: no
brain, no heart, no courage.

I agree wholeheartedly with this post.

Of course you would, like any good puppy dog.


I agree wholeheartedly with this post.

On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 8:31:52 AM UTC-7, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 7/29/17 11:24 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 29 Jul 2017 08:52:15 -0600 (MDT), Justan
wrote:

Wrote in message:
This is certainly the truth
http://www.seattlepi.com/comics-and-...re/2017-07-28/

I am now registered at 5 different adoption places and no joy yet. I
do know the world is awash in pit bull mixes.
I also think these "dog" people really do not understand what training
a dog is supposed to be. When did the "crate" thing start being how
you are supposed to keep a dog and what happened to having a dog who
just comes when you call them? This seems to be a foreign concept to
the people I am talking to.
I guess they are thinking if the dog came when you called them they
wouldn't be in the pound in the first place. I go the other way and
try to make home where the dog really wants to be. It has always
worked out for me even though Mr Ed's "dog whistle" was a bottle
rocket ;-)



My dog has a crate and he thinks it's one of his safe places. We
leave the door open.

I want my dog to think the whole house is his safe place. Particularly
we have several places that they can really call their own.
I also expect them to respect that space.


Sheesh...there aren't any decent dogs needing a home in your neck of the
woods? We've given a lot of homeless cats "forever homes" and the only
requirement was that they showed up at our door. All of them, without
exception, turned out to be wonderful pets. Only one of our cats
actually had an OK home as a kitten but still needed a new home.

Real men have dogs, Lazy fat slobs have cats.

On Sat, 29 Jul 2017 16:55:25 -0600 (MDT), Justan wrote:

John H Wrote in message:
On Sat, 29 Jul 2017 09:02:40 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

On Saturday, 29 July 2017 12:05:15 UTC-3, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 7/29/17 10:54 AM, Justan wrote:
John H Wrote in message:
On Sat, 29 Jul 2017 01:59:37 -0400, wrote:

This is certainly the truth
http://www.seattlepi.com/comics-and-...re/2017-07-28/

I am now registered at 5 different adoption places and no joy yet. I
do know the world is awash in pit bull mixes.
I also think these "dog" people really do not understand what training
a dog is supposed to be. When did the "crate" thing start being how
you are supposed to keep a dog and what happened to having a dog who
just comes when you call them? This seems to be a foreign concept to
the people I am talking to.
I guess they are thinking if the dog came when you called them they
wouldn't be in the pound in the first place. I go the other way and
try to make home where the dog really wants to be. It has always
worked out for me even though Mr Ed's "dog whistle" was a bottle
rocket ;-)

I've always frowned on the use of crates. However, we now keep the big one in a crate for her own
protection. With two torn ACLs, the lesser the strain on the rear stifles, the better. If company is
coming, she gets crated. At night she used to sleep on the bed. Can't do that because she'll jump
down and back up again. Jumping down is OK. The front legs get the stress. Jumping up just reinjures
whatever scar tissue may have formed. We want to go to Holland again this fall. The vet will board
her, but she'll be crated almost continuously. She can't be allowed to play with other dogs. Hell,
we can't even allow to run in the house. She's usually closed in the office, leashed to a chair, or
crated.

Life sucks with torn ACLs. Both of us are gaining weight 'cause we're not getting in our three miles
a day!


Maybe a dog would help Harry with his weight problem.


Ray Bolger had you pegged...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nauLgZISozs

Of course, you'd have the Big Three reasons to visit the Wizard: no
brain, no heart, no courage.


I agree wholeheartedly with this post.

Harry is so proud of you, Donielle.


Give him a cookie.

How about a puppy treat?

On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 3:39:39 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sat, 29 Jul 2017 10:43:22 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 12:55:38 PM UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Sat, 29 Jul 2017 11:24:08 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 29 Jul 2017 08:52:15 -0600 (MDT), Justan
wrote:

Wrote in message:
This is certainly the truth
http://www.seattlepi.com/comics-and-...re/2017-07-28/

I am now registered at 5 different adoption places and no joy yet. I
do know the world is awash in pit bull mixes.
I also think these "dog" people really do not understand what training
a dog is supposed to be. When did the "crate" thing start being how
you are supposed to keep a dog and what happened to having a dog who
just comes when you call them? This seems to be a foreign concept to
the people I am talking to.
I guess they are thinking if the dog came when you called them they
wouldn't be in the pound in the first place. I go the other way and
try to make home where the dog really wants to be. It has always
worked out for me even though Mr Ed's "dog whistle" was a bottle
rocket ;-)



My dog has a crate and he thinks it's one of his safe places. We
leave the door open.

I want my dog to think the whole house is his safe place. Particularly
we have several places that they can really call their own.
I also expect them to respect that space.

Our little dog likes to sleep under my desk, if I'm at it. If not she often goes into her crate.

Dogs love crates. They are "den" animals, and it gives them a sense of security. I don't understand people who think it's somehow cruel.

I don't really think it is cruel but I do think I would rather have my
dog comfortable in his own chair or any other place he wants to relax.
They always pick several spots they like around here, depending on
where we are.

Buddy (our Lab) is primarily an outdoor dog, but he comes in occasionally to hang out with us or when it gets cold. When cold he sleeps indoors in a crate. He loves it, and besides he can't be trusted. Losing two shoes the first night he slept in our bedroom on the floor convinced us.

When outside he hangs out on the patio, and has a pet igloo doghouse under the portico to go in. He loves that thing too. Seems to be something about being "in" something dogs love. And we're out there most times with him anyway.

On Sun, 30 Jul 2017 10:51:01 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 3:39:39 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sat, 29 Jul 2017 10:43:22 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 12:55:38 PM UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Sat, 29 Jul 2017 11:24:08 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 29 Jul 2017 08:52:15 -0600 (MDT), Justan
wrote:

Wrote in message:
This is certainly the truth
http://www.seattlepi.com/comics-and-...re/2017-07-28/

I am now registered at 5 different adoption places and no joy yet. I
do know the world is awash in pit bull mixes.
I also think these "dog" people really do not understand what training
a dog is supposed to be. When did the "crate" thing start being how
you are supposed to keep a dog and what happened to having a dog who
just comes when you call them? This seems to be a foreign concept to
the people I am talking to.
I guess they are thinking if the dog came when you called them they
wouldn't be in the pound in the first place. I go the other way and
try to make home where the dog really wants to be. It has always
worked out for me even though Mr Ed's "dog whistle" was a bottle
rocket ;-)



My dog has a crate and he thinks it's one of his safe places. We
leave the door open.

I want my dog to think the whole house is his safe place. Particularly
we have several places that they can really call their own.
I also expect them to respect that space.

Our little dog likes to sleep under my desk, if I'm at it. If not she often goes into her crate.

Dogs love crates. They are "den" animals, and it gives them a sense of security. I don't understand people who think it's somehow cruel.

I don't really think it is cruel but I do think I would rather have my
dog comfortable in his own chair or any other place he wants to relax.
They always pick several spots they like around here, depending on
where we are.

Buddy (our Lab) is primarily an outdoor dog, but he comes in occasionally to hang out with us or when it gets cold. When cold he sleeps indoors in a crate. He loves it, and besides he can't be trusted. Losing two shoes the first night he slept in our bedroom on the floor convinced us.

When outside he hangs out on the patio, and has a pet igloo doghouse under the portico to go in. He loves that thing too. Seems to be something about being "in" something dogs love. And we're out there most times with him anyway.

I have a different kind of dog. They live with me.
"In" the house is all the "in" they need. They just have to respect
the place and leave our stuff alone. Once they share ownership of the
house, they make sure other people leave our stuff alone too. I have
had 4 dogs like that. I am looking for another one.

On Sunday, July 30, 2017 at 11:35:23 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sun, 30 Jul 2017 10:51:01 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 3:39:39 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sat, 29 Jul 2017 10:43:22 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 12:55:38 PM UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Sat, 29 Jul 2017 11:24:08 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 29 Jul 2017 08:52:15 -0600 (MDT), Justan
wrote:

Wrote in message:
This is certainly the truth
http://www.seattlepi.com/comics-and-...re/2017-07-28/

I am now registered at 5 different adoption places and no joy yet. I
do know the world is awash in pit bull mixes.
I also think these "dog" people really do not understand what training
a dog is supposed to be. When did the "crate" thing start being how
you are supposed to keep a dog and what happened to having a dog who
just comes when you call them? This seems to be a foreign concept to
the people I am talking to.
I guess they are thinking if the dog came when you called them they
wouldn't be in the pound in the first place. I go the other way and
try to make home where the dog really wants to be. It has always
worked out for me even though Mr Ed's "dog whistle" was a bottle
rocket ;-)



My dog has a crate and he thinks it's one of his safe places. We
leave the door open.

I want my dog to think the whole house is his safe place. Particularly
we have several places that they can really call their own.
I also expect them to respect that space.

Our little dog likes to sleep under my desk, if I'm at it. If not she often goes into her crate.

Dogs love crates. They are "den" animals, and it gives them a sense of security. I don't understand people who think it's somehow cruel.

I don't really think it is cruel but I do think I would rather have my
dog comfortable in his own chair or any other place he wants to relax.
They always pick several spots they like around here, depending on
where we are.

Buddy (our Lab) is primarily an outdoor dog, but he comes in occasionally to hang out with us or when it gets cold. When cold he sleeps indoors in a crate. He loves it, and besides he can't be trusted. Losing two shoes the first night he slept in our bedroom on the floor convinced us.

When outside he hangs out on the patio, and has a pet igloo doghouse under the portico to go in. He loves that thing too. Seems to be something about being "in" something dogs love. And we're out there most times with him anyway.

I have a different kind of dog. They live with me.
"In" the house is all the "in" they need. They just have to respect
the place and leave our stuff alone. Once they share ownership of the
house, they make sure other people leave our stuff alone too. I have
had 4 dogs like that. I am looking for another one.

Your dog is no different than any other dog. It may not 'need' to go into a crate, but I'd find it hard to believe it didn't have a 'cubby hole' somewhere in the house - like under a desk, under a bed, whatever.

If your dog ever tears its ACL/CCL, you will have to put a complete stop to his jumping into 'his own chair' or onto the bed or even climbing steps. Keeping the dog leashed is not a solution as the dog strains the rear stifles pulling on the leash. Crates have their uses, especially if your dog develops an intestine problem.

On Mon, 31 Jul 2017 07:36:02 -0700 (PDT), John H
wrote:

On Sunday, July 30, 2017 at 11:35:23 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sun, 30 Jul 2017 10:51:01 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 3:39:39 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sat, 29 Jul 2017 10:43:22 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 12:55:38 PM UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Sat, 29 Jul 2017 11:24:08 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 29 Jul 2017 08:52:15 -0600 (MDT), Justan
wrote:

Wrote in message:
This is certainly the truth
http://www.seattlepi.com/comics-and-...re/2017-07-28/

I am now registered at 5 different adoption places and no joy yet. I
do know the world is awash in pit bull mixes.
I also think these "dog" people really do not understand what training
a dog is supposed to be. When did the "crate" thing start being how
you are supposed to keep a dog and what happened to having a dog who
just comes when you call them? This seems to be a foreign concept to
the people I am talking to.
I guess they are thinking if the dog came when you called them they
wouldn't be in the pound in the first place. I go the other way and
try to make home where the dog really wants to be. It has always
worked out for me even though Mr Ed's "dog whistle" was a bottle
rocket ;-)



My dog has a crate and he thinks it's one of his safe places. We
leave the door open.

I want my dog to think the whole house is his safe place. Particularly
we have several places that they can really call their own.
I also expect them to respect that space.

Our little dog likes to sleep under my desk, if I'm at it. If not she often goes into her crate.

Dogs love crates. They are "den" animals, and it gives them a sense of security. I don't understand people who think it's somehow cruel.

I don't really think it is cruel but I do think I would rather have my
dog comfortable in his own chair or any other place he wants to relax.
They always pick several spots they like around here, depending on
where we are.

Buddy (our Lab) is primarily an outdoor dog, but he comes in occasionally to hang out with us or when it gets cold. When cold he sleeps indoors in a crate. He loves it, and besides he can't be trusted. Losing two shoes the first night he slept in our bedroom on the floor convinced us.

When outside he hangs out on the patio, and has a pet igloo doghouse under the portico to go in. He loves that thing too. Seems to be something about being "in" something dogs love. And we're out there most times with him anyway.

I have a different kind of dog. They live with me.
"In" the house is all the "in" they need. They just have to respect
the place and leave our stuff alone. Once they share ownership of the
house, they make sure other people leave our stuff alone too. I have
had 4 dogs like that. I am looking for another one.

Your dog is no different than any other dog. It may not 'need' to go into a crate, but I'd find it hard to believe it didn't have a 'cubby hole' somewhere in the house - like under a desk, under a bed, whatever.

Ed was never going to fit in a crate anyway since he liked to lay down
"spread eagle". He covered about 8 square feet.
I never saw him looking for a hole. He wanted to be out in the open
where he could look around. He liked his chair because he could see
the whole living room and also look out the window.

If your dog ever tears its ACL/CCL, you will have to put a complete stop to his jumping into 'his own chair' or onto the bed or even climbing steps. Keeping the dog leashed is not a solution as the dog strains the rear stifles pulling on the leash. Crates have their uses, especially if your dog develops an intestine problem.

Fortunately we never had a serious injury like that..