On 8/24/2017 9:54 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 19:40:52 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/24/17 7:30 PM, wrote:


Here we go again. hehehehehe.

Another brain fart from Harry. I understand technical things are
beyond your comprehension but you don't need to be so proud of it.


I don't have any problems moving .jpg's to and fro. I know better than
to try to do so with my usenet provider in a "non-binary" newsgroup or
whatever was being tried that didn't work.

Oh, and I had more than 50 articles published in PC Week, PC Magazine,
BYTE and a few lesser pubs. I had a biweekly column in PC Week. Your
computer oriented technical articles consisted of...???

Uh huh. So If I go look at the archives of PC week or PC Mag I will
see a lot of "technical" articles from Harry Krause? We are not
talking about case styling and the feel of the keyboard are we?



They were probably letters to the editor.

In fairness, I remember reading something Harry wrote in some PC
magazine. He used to volunteer to do beta testing and provided feedback.

On 8/25/2017 8:10 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/24/2017 9:54 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 19:40:52 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/24/17 7:30 PM, wrote:


Here we go again. hehehehehe.

Another brain fart from Harry. I understand technical things are
beyond your comprehension but you don't need to be so proud of it.


I don't have any problems moving .jpg's to and fro. I know better than
to try to do so with my usenet provider in a "non-binary" newsgroup or
whatever was being tried that didn't work.

Oh, and I had more than 50 articles published in PC Week, PC Magazine,
BYTE and a few lesser pubs. I had a biweekly column in PC Week. Your
computer oriented technical articles consisted of...???

Uh huh. So If I go look at the archives of PC week or PC Mag I will
see a lot of "technical" articles from Harry Krause? We are not
talking about case styling and the feel of the keyboard are we?



They were probably letters to the editor.

In fairness, I remember reading something Harry wrote in some PC
magazine. He used to volunteer to do beta testing and provided feedback.




Your memory is faulty. I wasn’t a volunteer. I was under contract to
Ziff-Davis for an every other week article and was surprised at how well
they paid for 500-750 words. Most were published in PC WEEK but a few made
it into PC MAG. This was in the mid-1980s. That was when I started messing
around with PASCAL for the fun of it.


The one I read was a beta test review of some program.

On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 7:29:23 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/24/2017 9:54 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 19:40:52 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/24/17 7:30 PM, wrote:


Here we go again. hehehehehe.

Another brain fart from Harry. I understand technical things are
beyond your comprehension but you don't need to be so proud of it.


I don't have any problems moving .jpg's to and fro. I know better than
to try to do so with my usenet provider in a "non-binary" newsgroup or
whatever was being tried that didn't work.

Oh, and I had more than 50 articles published in PC Week, PC Magazine,
BYTE and a few lesser pubs. I had a biweekly column in PC Week. Your
computer oriented technical articles consisted of...???

Uh huh. So If I go look at the archives of PC week or PC Mag I will
see a lot of "technical" articles from Harry Krause? We are not
talking about case styling and the feel of the keyboard are we?



They were probably letters to the editor.

In fairness, I remember reading something Harry wrote in some PC
magazine. He used to volunteer to do beta testing and provided feedback.

Yabut, he said he was published in BYTE. That was a highly technical magazine written by very competent engineers. They published stuff like schematics of computer circuits complete with timing diagrams and sample code to perform complex functions. If true, they must have needed some fluff filler piece because he doesn't have the engineering chops to write anything that they would normally publish.

wrote:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 02:48:48 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 19:40:52 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/24/17 7:30 PM, wrote:


Here we go again. hehehehehe.

Another brain fart from Harry. I understand technical things are
beyond your comprehension but you don't need to be so proud of it.


I don't have any problems moving .jpg's to and fro. I know better than
to try to do so with my usenet provider in a "non-binary" newsgroup or
whatever was being tried that didn't work.

Oh, and I had more than 50 articles published in PC Week, PC Magazine,
BYTE and a few lesser pubs. I had a biweekly column in PC Week. Your
computer oriented technical articles consisted of...???

Uh huh. So If I go look at the archives of PC week or PC Mag I will
see a lot of "technical" articles from Harry Krause? We are not
talking about case styling and the feel of the keyboard are we?


How can he know anything valuable? He did not major in computers at
university. No degree in computer science or computer engineering.

I don't doubt that he took notes from a tech guy and polished it up
for publication or did reviews on the look and feel of a new product.


That he could, but according to Harry, no university courses, then can not
know anything.

On 8/25/17 11:20 AM, Bill wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 02:48:48 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 19:40:52 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/24/17 7:30 PM, wrote:


Here we go again. hehehehehe.

Another brain fart from Harry. I understand technical things are
beyond your comprehension but you don't need to be so proud of it.


I don't have any problems moving .jpg's to and fro. I know better than
to try to do so with my usenet provider in a "non-binary" newsgroup or
whatever was being tried that didn't work.

Oh, and I had more than 50 articles published in PC Week, PC Magazine,
BYTE and a few lesser pubs. I had a biweekly column in PC Week. Your
computer oriented technical articles consisted of...???

Uh huh. So If I go look at the archives of PC week or PC Mag I will
see a lot of "technical" articles from Harry Krause? We are not
talking about case styling and the feel of the keyboard are we?


How can he know anything valuable? He did not major in computers at
university. No degree in computer science or computer engineering.

I don't doubt that he took notes from a tech guy and polished it up
for publication or did reviews on the look and feel of a new product.


That he could, but according to Harry, no university courses, then can not
know anything.



Actually, Bilious, I took a handful of university courses in programming
and computer science back in the 1980s, not because I was interested in
using the knowledge "professionally," as it were, but because of my
intellectual curiosity. I started by teaching myself, with the help of a
couple of manuals, rudimentary PASCAL, and I was "tutored" by a couple
of buddies, one of whom was a high-level computer scientist and the
other, a systems analyst. No biggie, but, yes, I took some university
courses in the field. So, once again and, as always, you are...wrong.

On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 06:53:15 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

Yabut, he said he was published in BYTE. That was a highly technical magazine written by very
competent engineers. They published stuff like schematics of computer circuits complete with
timing diagrams and sample code to perform complex functions. If true, they must have needed
some fluff filler piece because he doesn't have the engineering chops to write anything that they
would normally publish.

===

I was an early subscriber to BYTE and still have some very early
editions laying around here somewhere. They used to run monthly
articles by an engineer named Steve Ciarcia, "Ciarcia's Circuit
Cellar". I don't think I ever built any of his circuits but always
enjoyed reading about them since I had an engineering/electronics
background.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Ciarcia

https://www.amazon.com/Best-Ciarcias-Circuit-Cellar/dp/0070110190

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byte_(magazine)

Science fiction author and PhD, Jerry Pournelle, was another regular
contributor that I enjoyed reading every month. His column was called
"Chaos Manor" and had a wide following.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Pournelle

Our friend Harree was never anywhere close to being on the same
technical level as their regular contributors, and frankly I never
remember seeing his name even though I was a regular reader.

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On 8/25/2017 9:53 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 7:29:23 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/24/2017 9:54 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 19:40:52 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/24/17 7:30 PM, wrote:


Here we go again. hehehehehe.

Another brain fart from Harry. I understand technical things are
beyond your comprehension but you don't need to be so proud of it.


I don't have any problems moving .jpg's to and fro. I know better than
to try to do so with my usenet provider in a "non-binary" newsgroup or
whatever was being tried that didn't work.

Oh, and I had more than 50 articles published in PC Week, PC Magazine,
BYTE and a few lesser pubs. I had a biweekly column in PC Week. Your
computer oriented technical articles consisted of...???

Uh huh. So If I go look at the archives of PC week or PC Mag I will
see a lot of "technical" articles from Harry Krause? We are not
talking about case styling and the feel of the keyboard are we?



They were probably letters to the editor.

In fairness, I remember reading something Harry wrote in some PC
magazine. He used to volunteer to do beta testing and provided feedback.

Yabut, he said he was published in BYTE. That was a highly technical magazine written by very competent engineers. They published stuff like schematics of computer circuits complete with timing diagrams and sample code to perform complex functions. If true, they must have needed some fluff filler piece because he doesn't have the engineering chops to write anything that they would normally publish.


When it comes to computers, neither do I. :-)

I got a kick out of a visit from my younger son the other day. He
started a new job as a facilities manager for a company that uses
automatic, high volume packaging equipment. He took electronic
engineering courses when he attended MA Maritime but they only covered
digital logic circuits. They don't even teach theory anymore and vacuum
tubes, transistors, etc. are artifacts of ancient times.

One of the systems he's responsible for broke down due to a bad rotary
actuator. He was having a problem ordering a replacement because there
were two versions of it. One was a PNP type, the other a NPN. My son
had no clue what PNP or NPN meant. All he knew for sure was that they
had a magnet in them along with a small chip.

I explained he had a "Hall Effect" circuit and spent some time
explaining what PNP and NPN meant, drawing diagrams of transistors and
explaining what the base, emitter and collector were. Then I drew a
diagram of a vacuum tube with the cathode, screen grid and plate, while
explaining how it worked and the similarities in function to that of a
transistor that came later.

Now-a-days everything is on a chip the size of your little fingernail
and it probably contains a dozen or more and, or, nand or nor gates or
transistors used as gates.

On 8/25/2017 12:22 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/25/17 11:20 AM, Bill wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 02:48:48 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 19:40:52 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/24/17 7:30 PM, wrote:


Here we go again. hehehehehe.

Another brain fart from Harry. I understand technical things are
beyond your comprehension but you don't need to be so proud of it.


I don't have any problems moving .jpg's to and fro. I know better
than
to try to do so with my usenet provider in a "non-binary"
newsgroup or
whatever was being tried that didn't work.

Oh, and I had more than 50 articles published in PC Week, PC
Magazine,
BYTE and a few lesser pubs. I had a biweekly column in PC Week. Your
computer oriented technical articles consisted of...???

Uh huh. So If I go look at the archives of PC week or PC Mag I will
see a lot of "technical" articles from Harry Krause? We are not
talking about case styling and the feel of the keyboard are we?


How can he know anything valuable?Â* He did not major in computers at
university.Â* No degree in computer science or computer engineering.

I don't doubt that he took notes from a tech guy and polished it up
for publication or did reviews on the look and feel of a new product.


That he could, but according to Harry, no university courses, then can
not
know anything.



Actually, Bilious, I took a handful of university courses in programming
and computer science back in the 1980s, not because I was interested in
using the knowledge "professionally," as it were, but because of my
intellectual curiosity. I started by teaching myself, with the help of a
couple of manuals, rudimentary PASCAL, and I was "tutored" by a couple
of buddies, one of whom was a high-level computer scientist and the
other, a systems analyst. No biggie, but, yes, I took some university
courses in the field. So, once again and, as always, you are...wrong.


Greg has educated himself in a similar fashion but, because he isn't
degreed, he must not be competent according to you. Where's your degree
in computer science or programming? A degree seems to be the only
qualifier of knowledge in your goofy world.

On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 1:06:07 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/25/2017 9:53 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 7:29:23 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/24/2017 9:54 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 19:40:52 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/24/17 7:30 PM, wrote:


Here we go again. hehehehehe.

Another brain fart from Harry. I understand technical things are
beyond your comprehension but you don't need to be so proud of it.


I don't have any problems moving .jpg's to and fro. I know better than
to try to do so with my usenet provider in a "non-binary" newsgroup or
whatever was being tried that didn't work.

Oh, and I had more than 50 articles published in PC Week, PC Magazine,
BYTE and a few lesser pubs. I had a biweekly column in PC Week. Your
computer oriented technical articles consisted of...???

Uh huh. So If I go look at the archives of PC week or PC Mag I will
see a lot of "technical" articles from Harry Krause? We are not
talking about case styling and the feel of the keyboard are we?



They were probably letters to the editor.

In fairness, I remember reading something Harry wrote in some PC
magazine. He used to volunteer to do beta testing and provided feedback.

Yabut, he said he was published in BYTE. That was a highly technical magazine written by very competent engineers. They published stuff like schematics of computer circuits complete with timing diagrams and sample code to perform complex functions. If true, they must have needed some fluff filler piece because he doesn't have the engineering chops to write anything that they would normally publish.


When it comes to computers, neither do I. :-)

I got a kick out of a visit from my younger son the other day. He
started a new job as a facilities manager for a company that uses
automatic, high volume packaging equipment. He took electronic
engineering courses when he attended MA Maritime but they only covered
digital logic circuits. They don't even teach theory anymore and vacuum
tubes, transistors, etc. are artifacts of ancient times.

One of the systems he's responsible for broke down due to a bad rotary
actuator. He was having a problem ordering a replacement because there
were two versions of it. One was a PNP type, the other a NPN. My son
had no clue what PNP or NPN meant. All he knew for sure was that they
had a magnet in them along with a small chip.

I explained he had a "Hall Effect" circuit and spent some time
explaining what PNP and NPN meant, drawing diagrams of transistors and
explaining what the base, emitter and collector were. Then I drew a
diagram of a vacuum tube with the cathode, screen grid and plate, while
explaining how it worked and the similarities in function to that of a
transistor that came later.

Now-a-days everything is on a chip the size of your little fingernail
and it probably contains a dozen or more and, or, nand or nor gates or
transistors used as gates.

It's worse than that. Those tiny little chips contain a whole lot more than just gates. The days of building logic circuits using gates in dedicated chips is pretty much gone. Now the vast majority is done with programmable logic devices (PLDs) and their variants where you just design the logic in an app and assign the inputs and outputs to the pins, then program the chip to perform that operation. A complex programmable logic device (CPLD) can contain 10's of thousand of logic gates, and is programmed after being soldered on to the board with serial data (usually JTAG) while in-circuit.

On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 10:23:23 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 1:06:07 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/25/2017 9:53 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 7:29:23 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/24/2017 9:54 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 19:40:52 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 8/24/17 7:30 PM, wrote:


Here we go again. hehehehehe.

Another brain fart from Harry. I understand technical things are
beyond your comprehension but you don't need to be so proud of it.


I don't have any problems moving .jpg's to and fro. I know better than
to try to do so with my usenet provider in a "non-binary" newsgroup or
whatever was being tried that didn't work.

Oh, and I had more than 50 articles published in PC Week, PC Magazine,
BYTE and a few lesser pubs. I had a biweekly column in PC Week. Your
computer oriented technical articles consisted of...???

Uh huh. So If I go look at the archives of PC week or PC Mag I will
see a lot of "technical" articles from Harry Krause? We are not
talking about case styling and the feel of the keyboard are we?



They were probably letters to the editor.

In fairness, I remember reading something Harry wrote in some PC
magazine. He used to volunteer to do beta testing and provided feedback.

Yabut, he said he was published in BYTE. That was a highly technical magazine written by very competent engineers. They published stuff like schematics of computer circuits complete with timing diagrams and sample code to perform complex functions. If true, they must have needed some fluff filler piece because he doesn't have the engineering chops to write anything that they would normally publish.


When it comes to computers, neither do I. :-)

I got a kick out of a visit from my younger son the other day. He
started a new job as a facilities manager for a company that uses
automatic, high volume packaging equipment. He took electronic
engineering courses when he attended MA Maritime but they only covered
digital logic circuits. They don't even teach theory anymore and vacuum
tubes, transistors, etc. are artifacts of ancient times.

One of the systems he's responsible for broke down due to a bad rotary
actuator. He was having a problem ordering a replacement because there
were two versions of it. One was a PNP type, the other a NPN. My son
had no clue what PNP or NPN meant. All he knew for sure was that they
had a magnet in them along with a small chip.

I explained he had a "Hall Effect" circuit and spent some time
explaining what PNP and NPN meant, drawing diagrams of transistors and
explaining what the base, emitter and collector were. Then I drew a
diagram of a vacuum tube with the cathode, screen grid and plate, while
explaining how it worked and the similarities in function to that of a
transistor that came later.

Now-a-days everything is on a chip the size of your little fingernail
and it probably contains a dozen or more and, or, nand or nor gates or
transistors used as gates.

It's worse than that. Those tiny little chips contain a whole lot more than just gates. The days of building logic circuits using gates in dedicated chips is pretty much gone. Now the vast majority is done with programmable logic devices (PLDs) and their variants where you just design the logic in an app and assign the inputs and outputs to the pins, then program the chip to perform that operation. A complex programmable logic device (CPLD) can contain 10's of thousand of logic gates, and is programmed after being soldered on to the board with serial data (usually JTAG) while in-circuit.


===

Amazing stuff, absolutely amazing. Electronics has come so far in my
lifetime that it has far surpassed anything I could have imagined. In
1957 I added a one transistor audio amplifier stage to a crystal set
that I had previously built as a cub scout. It worked surprisingly
well considering that it was built on a small 2x4 cutoff and had no
soldered connections. A friend of mine borrowed it and entered it in
a science fair without me knowing about it. He won 1st place

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