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On Sat, 30 Sep 2017 08:31:56 -0400, Keyser Soze
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It was apparent days ahead of time that the huge storm had PR squarely
in its sights. Troops, food, generators, medicine, could have been flown
in ahead of time and staged at the major airports. More military
airlifts could have started flowing in the next day once all runways
were cleared. There's still not enough menn/women and materials to get
the jobs done. Portable cell towers need to be set up in hospitals,
towns, et cetera. The federal government needs to hire on a temp basis
any able-bodied man or woman who wants to aid in the clean-up, and pay
them weekly or bi-weekly. Mayors of towns need federal liaison personnel
assigned to them. The list is endless.

You really are stupid aren't you? You do not fly supplies INTO the
path of a hurricane. You want to stage them outside the damage path
and bring them in after the storm.
... and no offence but there were two other major land falling
hurricanes inside the CONUS that they had not really mitigated yet.
The main problem in Puerto Rico was local. They really did not have a
plan. Their command and control was shaky on a sunny day and they had
3d world infrastructure before the storm. That is not coming back
quickly, no matter how much federal money we throw at it.

Trump's lack of leadership, compassion, interest, and empathy has ****ed
this up. Today, the moron was complaining about the mayor of San Juan
while he was getting ready for his ****ing golf game.

Why do you think this is really the federal government's job?
The private sector was up and running here long before the first
national guard truck showed up with MREs and water. It took 2 weeks
before I saw anyone from FEMA.
They were just driving around looking for tree limbs too close to the
power lines, a truly stupid project, since FPL actually does a good
job of that. That is northern thinking in a southern state. I
understand they needed that in Virginia and Maryland where trees are
more important than people.

Lots of tree and squirrel huggin going on in Mary land.
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Mr. Luddite[_4_]

On 9/30/2017 11:37 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 30 Sep 2017 07:41:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 9/29/2017 9:27 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:

...with what the United States government is actually doing on an hourly
and daily basis to help beleaguered Puerto Rico. I've heard all the
excuses, but the reality is we have the wherewithal to bring in the
planes to transport the goods and the off-road trucks to deliver those
goods and the earth-moving equipment to make the roads passable. We also
have hundreds of helicopters available to transport food, ice and
medicine everywhere on the island.

Yeah, it's a big ocean, but this isn't the 1700s.

I suppose you think all this equipment is staged, ready to be
immediately deployed in the event a major hurricane hits a place like
Puerto Rico.

How long do you think it takes to consolidate and load all this
equipment for transport to Puerto Rico? Military ships must be unloaded
first to make room for equipment and supplies. Be aware that the
majority of US Navy ships are DLG's and realistically cannot carry the
amount of supplies needed nor can they offer mobile hospitals, water
generation, or fuel. So, other types of ships of which there are far
fewer must be used and even they are not designed for this purpose.
They are doing the best they can do under the circumstances.

This disaster in Puerto Rico may be the straw that broke the camel's
back and cause Congress to start statehood status proceedings. For the
first time in history, the majority of the residents in Puerto Rico
voted for statehood in 2012. Prior to that the "status quo" position
always won. The Puerto Rican government is bankrupt, the power and
light company that serves the island is bankrupt and the people have had
enough.

I am not sure they could get the support of congress. We really do not
need another bankrupt state. The time to have done this would have
been in the 50s when we had the resources to actually handle the
transition but then, there was fierce resistance on that island to any
appropriation by the US.

With certain exceptions residents of Puerto Rico are exempt from paying
federal income taxes. Becoming a state would change that and might make
Congress start licking their chops.

Puerto Ricans only have to file federal income tax returns if they have
income from sources outside of Puerto Rico or work for the US Government.

Its Me

On Saturday, September 30, 2017 at 12:01:19 PM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/30/17 11:48 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 30 Sep 2017 08:31:56 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

It was apparent days ahead of time that the huge storm had PR squarely
in its sights. Troops, food, generators, medicine, could have been flown
in ahead of time and staged at the major airports. More military
airlifts could have started flowing in the next day once all runways
were cleared. There's still not enough menn/women and materials to get
the jobs done. Portable cell towers need to be set up in hospitals,
towns, et cetera. The federal government needs to hire on a temp basis
any able-bodied man or woman who wants to aid in the clean-up, and pay
them weekly or bi-weekly. Mayors of towns need federal liaison personnel
assigned to them. The list is endless.

You really are stupid aren't you? You do not fly supplies INTO the
path of a hurricane. You want to stage them outside the damage path
and bring them in after the storm.
... and no offence but there were two other major land falling
hurricanes inside the CONUS that they had not really mitigated yet.
The main problem in Puerto Rico was local. They really did not have a
plan. Their command and control was shaky on a sunny day and they had
3d world infrastructure before the storm. That is not coming back
quickly, no matter how much federal money we throw at it.

Trump's lack of leadership, compassion, interest, and empathy has ****ed
this up. Today, the moron was complaining about the mayor of San Juan
while he was getting ready for his ****ing golf game.

Why do you think this is really the federal government's job?
The private sector was up and running here long before the first
national guard truck showed up with MREs and water. It took 2 weeks
before I saw anyone from FEMA.
They were just driving around looking for tree limbs too close to the
power lines, a truly stupid project, since FPL actually does a good
job of that. That is northern thinking in a southern state. I
understand they needed that in Virginia and Maryland where trees are
more important than people.

PR is a U.S. territory, inhabited by U.S. citizens. We own it and it is
our responsibility to fix it when it breaks. Your never-ending
anti-government snarkiness has nothing to do with the reality of various
situations, but everything to do with your "I've got mine, **** you"
attitude. As for what FEMA was or was not doing in your area, I
seriously doubt you had eyeballs on the majority of federal workers
helping your state recover.

And you have no eyeballs on what's going on in PR and are in no position to pass judgement.

Mr. Luddite[_4_]

On 9/30/2017 12:01 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/30/17 11:48 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 30 Sep 2017 08:31:56 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

It was apparent days ahead of time that the huge storm had PR squarely
in its sights. Troops, food, generators, medicine, could have been flown
in ahead of time and staged at the major airports. More military
airlifts could have started flowing in the next day once all runways
were cleared. There's still not enough menn/women and materials to get
the jobs done. Portable cell towers need to be set up in hospitals,
towns, et cetera. The federal government needs to hire on a temp basis
any able-bodied man or woman who wants to aid in the clean-up, and pay
them weekly or bi-weekly. Mayors of towns need federal liaison personnel
assigned to them. The list is endless.

You really are stupid aren't you? You do not fly supplies INTO the
path of a hurricane. You want to stage them outside the damage path
and bring them in after the storm.
... and no offence but there were two other major land falling
hurricanes inside the CONUS that they had not really mitigated yet.
The main problem in Puerto Rico was local. They really did not have a
plan. Their command and control was shaky on a sunny day and they had
3d world infrastructure before the storm. That is not coming back
quickly, no matter how much federal money we throw at it.

Trump's lack of leadership, compassion, interest, and empathy has ****ed
this up. Today, the moron was complaining about the mayor of San Juan
while he was getting ready for his ****ing golf game.

Why do you think this is really the federal government's job?
The private sector was up and running here long before the first
national guard truck showed up with MREs and water. It took 2 weeks
before I saw anyone from FEMA.
They were just driving around looking for tree limbs too close to the
power lines, a truly stupid project, since FPL actually does a good
job of that. That is northern thinking in a southern state. I
understand they needed that in Virginia and Maryland where trees are
more important than people.

PR is a U.S. territory, inhabited by U.S. citizens. We own it and it is
our responsibility to fix it when it breaks. Your never-ending
anti-government snarkiness has nothing to do with the reality of various
situations, but everything to do with your "I've got mine, **** you"
attitude. As for what FEMA was or was not doing in your area, I
seriously doubt you had eyeballs on the majority of federal workers
helping your state recover.

Federal aid is the disbursement of revenues generated by the collection
of taxes. Puerto Rican residents should *all* pay federal income taxes
to help finance government help when needed to support your position.

Mr. Luddite[_4_]

On 9/30/2017 12:35 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Saturday, September 30, 2017 at 12:01:19 PM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/30/17 11:48 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 30 Sep 2017 08:31:56 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

It was apparent days ahead of time that the huge storm had PR squarely
in its sights. Troops, food, generators, medicine, could have been flown
in ahead of time and staged at the major airports. More military
airlifts could have started flowing in the next day once all runways
were cleared. There's still not enough menn/women and materials to get
the jobs done. Portable cell towers need to be set up in hospitals,
towns, et cetera. The federal government needs to hire on a temp basis
any able-bodied man or woman who wants to aid in the clean-up, and pay
them weekly or bi-weekly. Mayors of towns need federal liaison personnel
assigned to them. The list is endless.

You really are stupid aren't you? You do not fly supplies INTO the
path of a hurricane. You want to stage them outside the damage path
and bring them in after the storm.
... and no offence but there were two other major land falling
hurricanes inside the CONUS that they had not really mitigated yet.
The main problem in Puerto Rico was local. They really did not have a
plan. Their command and control was shaky on a sunny day and they had
3d world infrastructure before the storm. That is not coming back
quickly, no matter how much federal money we throw at it.

Trump's lack of leadership, compassion, interest, and empathy has ****ed
this up. Today, the moron was complaining about the mayor of San Juan
while he was getting ready for his ****ing golf game.

Why do you think this is really the federal government's job?
The private sector was up and running here long before the first
national guard truck showed up with MREs and water. It took 2 weeks
before I saw anyone from FEMA.
They were just driving around looking for tree limbs too close to the
power lines, a truly stupid project, since FPL actually does a good
job of that. That is northern thinking in a southern state. I
understand they needed that in Virginia and Maryland where trees are
more important than people.

PR is a U.S. territory, inhabited by U.S. citizens. We own it and it is
our responsibility to fix it when it breaks. Your never-ending
anti-government snarkiness has nothing to do with the reality of various
situations, but everything to do with your "I've got mine, **** you"
attitude. As for what FEMA was or was not doing in your area, I
seriously doubt you had eyeballs on the majority of federal workers
helping your state recover.

And you have no eyeballs on what's going on in PR and are in no position to pass judgement.

He gets his daily briefings from the KOS and what he reads on Facebook
in the liberal groups he subscribes to.

[email protected]

On Sat, 30 Sep 2017 12:01:15 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 9/30/17 11:48 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 30 Sep 2017 08:31:56 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

It was apparent days ahead of time that the huge storm had PR squarely
in its sights. Troops, food, generators, medicine, could have been flown
in ahead of time and staged at the major airports. More military
airlifts could have started flowing in the next day once all runways
were cleared. There's still not enough menn/women and materials to get
the jobs done. Portable cell towers need to be set up in hospitals,
towns, et cetera. The federal government needs to hire on a temp basis
any able-bodied man or woman who wants to aid in the clean-up, and pay
them weekly or bi-weekly. Mayors of towns need federal liaison personnel
assigned to them. The list is endless.

You really are stupid aren't you? You do not fly supplies INTO the
path of a hurricane. You want to stage them outside the damage path
and bring them in after the storm.
... and no offence but there were two other major land falling
hurricanes inside the CONUS that they had not really mitigated yet.
The main problem in Puerto Rico was local. They really did not have a
plan. Their command and control was shaky on a sunny day and they had
3d world infrastructure before the storm. That is not coming back
quickly, no matter how much federal money we throw at it.

Trump's lack of leadership, compassion, interest, and empathy has ****ed
this up. Today, the moron was complaining about the mayor of San Juan
while he was getting ready for his ****ing golf game.

Why do you think this is really the federal government's job?
The private sector was up and running here long before the first
national guard truck showed up with MREs and water. It took 2 weeks
before I saw anyone from FEMA.
They were just driving around looking for tree limbs too close to the
power lines, a truly stupid project, since FPL actually does a good
job of that. That is northern thinking in a southern state. I
understand they needed that in Virginia and Maryland where trees are
more important than people.

PR is a U.S. territory, inhabited by U.S. citizens. We own it and it is
our responsibility to fix it when it breaks. Your never-ending
anti-government snarkiness has nothing to do with the reality of various
situations, but everything to do with your "I've got mine, **** you"
attitude. As for what FEMA was or was not doing in your area, I
seriously doubt you had eyeballs on the majority of federal workers
helping your state recover.

The NBC news did. We have 9.5 hours of news on one local TV station
here every day and there is not much about the Irma recovery that was
left uncovered. For the days immediately around the storm and 3-4 days
out it was all Irma all the time, even preempting the soaps and Wheel
of Fortune.

[email protected]

On Sat, 30 Sep 2017 12:29:44 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 9/30/2017 11:37 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 30 Sep 2017 07:41:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 9/29/2017 9:27 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:

...with what the United States government is actually doing on an hourly
and daily basis to help beleaguered Puerto Rico. I've heard all the
excuses, but the reality is we have the wherewithal to bring in the
planes to transport the goods and the off-road trucks to deliver those
goods and the earth-moving equipment to make the roads passable. We also
have hundreds of helicopters available to transport food, ice and
medicine everywhere on the island.

Yeah, it's a big ocean, but this isn't the 1700s.

I suppose you think all this equipment is staged, ready to be
immediately deployed in the event a major hurricane hits a place like
Puerto Rico.

How long do you think it takes to consolidate and load all this
equipment for transport to Puerto Rico? Military ships must be unloaded
first to make room for equipment and supplies. Be aware that the
majority of US Navy ships are DLG's and realistically cannot carry the
amount of supplies needed nor can they offer mobile hospitals, water
generation, or fuel. So, other types of ships of which there are far
fewer must be used and even they are not designed for this purpose.
They are doing the best they can do under the circumstances.

This disaster in Puerto Rico may be the straw that broke the camel's
back and cause Congress to start statehood status proceedings. For the
first time in history, the majority of the residents in Puerto Rico
voted for statehood in 2012. Prior to that the "status quo" position
always won. The Puerto Rican government is bankrupt, the power and
light company that serves the island is bankrupt and the people have had
enough.

I am not sure they could get the support of congress. We really do not
need another bankrupt state. The time to have done this would have
been in the 50s when we had the resources to actually handle the
transition but then, there was fierce resistance on that island to any
appropriation by the US.

With certain exceptions residents of Puerto Rico are exempt from paying
federal income taxes. Becoming a state would change that and might make
Congress start licking their chops.

Puerto Ricans only have to file federal income tax returns if they have
income from sources outside of Puerto Rico or work for the US Government.

I doubt many would make enough to pay income tax anyway. What is the
break point for a family of 4?
$50k?
A family of 6 is probably more like $65k.

Alex[_12_]

justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 9/30/17 8:48 AM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 9/30/17 7:41 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/29/2017 9:27 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:

...with what the United States government is actually doing on an
hourly and daily basis to help beleaguered Puerto Rico. I've heard all
the excuses, but the reality is we have the wherewithal to bring in
the planes to transport the goods and the off-road trucks to deliver
those goods and the earth-moving equipment to make the roads passable.
We also have hundreds of helicopters available to transport food, ice
and medicine everywhere on the island.

Yeah, it's a big ocean, but this isn't the 1700s.

I suppose you think all this equipment is staged, ready to be
immediately deployed in the event a major hurricane hits a place like
Puerto Rico.

How long do you think it takes to consolidate and load all this
equipment for transport to Puerto Rico? Military ships must be unloaded
first to make room for equipment and supplies. Be aware that the
majority of US Navy ships are DLG's and realistically cannot carry the
amount of supplies needed nor can they offer mobile hospitals, water
generation, or fuel. So, other types of ships of which there are far
fewer must be used and even they are not designed for this purpose. They
are doing the best they can do under the circumstances.

This disaster in Puerto Rico may be the straw that broke the camel's
back and cause Congress to start statehood status proceedings. For the
first time in history, the majority of the residents in Puerto Rico
voted for statehood in 2012. Prior to that the "status quo" position
always won. The Puerto Rican government is bankrupt, the power and
light company that serves the island is bankrupt and the people have had
enough.

It was apparent days ahead of time that the huge storm had PR squarely
in its sights. Troops, food, generators, medicine, could have been flown
in ahead of time and staged at the major airports. More military
airlifts could have started flowing in the next day once all runways
were cleared. There's still not enough menn/women and materials to get
the jobs done. Portable cell towers need to be set up in hospitals,
towns, et cetera. The federal government needs to hire on a temp basis
any able-bodied man or woman who wants to aid in the clean-up, and pay
them weekly or bi-weekly. Mayors of towns need federal liaison personnel
assigned to them. The list is endless.

Trump's lack of leadership, compassion, interest, and empathy has ****ed
this up. Today, the moron was complaining about the mayor of San Juan
while he was getting ready for his ****ing golf game.

Trump is an international embarrassment. That you support him while he
wallows in his colossal ineptitude and is surrounded by his corrupt
administration officials speaks volumes about you.

Trump admires Governor Rick Scott. Rick will aid Pres. Trump in
understanding and implementing disaster preparedness and relief.
It's nice to have top performers working with you and not against
you.

Rick Scott, the most corrupt governor in the United States, along with
his bribe-taking attorney general. Sheesh.

You are so predictable. It's almost as if I forced you to say that.

Yep.

Alex[_12_]

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/30/17 11:48 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 30 Sep 2017 08:31:56 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

It was apparent days ahead of time that the huge storm had PR squarely
in its sights. Troops, food, generators, medicine, could have been
flown
in ahead of time and staged at the major airports. More military
airlifts could have started flowing in the next day once all runways
were cleared. There's still not enough menn/women and materials to get
the jobs done. Portable cell towers need to be set up in hospitals,
towns, et cetera. The federal government needs to hire on a temp basis
any able-bodied man or woman who wants to aid in the clean-up, and pay
them weekly or bi-weekly. Mayors of towns need federal liaison
personnel
assigned to them. The list is endless.

You really are stupid aren't you? You do not fly supplies INTO the
path of a hurricane. You want to stage them outside the damage path
and bring them in after the storm.
... and no offence but there were two other major land falling
hurricanes inside the CONUS that they had not really mitigated yet.
The main problem in Puerto Rico was local. They really did not have a
plan. Their command and control was shaky on a sunny day and they had
3d world infrastructure before the storm. That is not coming back
quickly, no matter how much federal money we throw at it.

Trump's lack of leadership, compassion, interest, and empathy has
****ed
this up. Today, the moron was complaining about the mayor of San Juan
while he was getting ready for his ****ing golf game.

Why do you think this is really the federal government's job?
The private sector was up and running here long before the first
national guard truck showed up with MREs and water. It took 2 weeks
before I saw anyone from FEMA.
They were just driving around looking for tree limbs too close to the
power lines, a truly stupid project, since FPL actually does a good
job of that. That is northern thinking in a southern state. I
understand they needed that in Virginia and Maryland where trees are
more important than people.

PR is a U.S. territory, inhabited by U.S. citizens. We own it and it
is our responsibility to fix it when it breaks. Your never-ending
anti-government snarkiness has nothing to do with the reality of
various situations, but everything to do with your "I've got mine,
**** you" attitude. As for what FEMA was or was not doing in your
area, I seriously doubt you had eyeballs on the majority of federal
workers helping your state recover.

It takes money and that comes from the taxpayers. Some, like you, have
the "I've got mine, **** you" attitude and don't pay their taxes but
feel entitled to bitch about what the government isn't doing with *other
people's* money.

justan

Alex Wrote in message:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/30/17 11:48 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 30 Sep 2017 08:31:56 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

It was apparent days ahead of time that the huge storm had PR squarely
in its sights. Troops, food, generators, medicine, could have been
flown
in ahead of time and staged at the major airports. More military
airlifts could have started flowing in the next day once all runways
were cleared. There's still not enough menn/women and materials to get
the jobs done. Portable cell towers need to be set up in hospitals,
towns, et cetera. The federal government needs to hire on a temp basis
any able-bodied man or woman who wants to aid in the clean-up, and pay
them weekly or bi-weekly. Mayors of towns need federal liaison
personnel
assigned to them. The list is endless.

You really are stupid aren't you? You do not fly supplies INTO the
path of a hurricane. You want to stage them outside the damage path
and bring them in after the storm.
... and no offence but there were two other major land falling
hurricanes inside the CONUS that they had not really mitigated yet.
The main problem in Puerto Rico was local. They really did not have a
plan. Their command and control was shaky on a sunny day and they had
3d world infrastructure before the storm. That is not coming back
quickly, no matter how much federal money we throw at it.

Trump's lack of leadership, compassion, interest, and empathy has
****ed
this up. Today, the moron was complaining about the mayor of San Juan
while he was getting ready for his ****ing golf game.

Why do you think this is really the federal government's job?
The private sector was up and running here long before the first
national guard truck showed up with MREs and water. It took 2 weeks
before I saw anyone from FEMA.
They were just driving around looking for tree limbs too close to the
power lines, a truly stupid project, since FPL actually does a good
job of that. That is northern thinking in a southern state. I
understand they needed that in Virginia and Maryland where trees are
more important than people.

PR is a U.S. territory, inhabited by U.S. citizens. We own it and it
is our responsibility to fix it when it breaks. Your never-ending
anti-government snarkiness has nothing to do with the reality of
various situations, but everything to do with your "I've got mine,
**** you" attitude. As for what FEMA was or was not doing in your
area, I seriously doubt you had eyeballs on the majority of federal
workers helping your state recover.

It takes money and that comes from the taxpayers. Some, like you, have
the "I've got mine, **** you" attitude and don't pay their taxes but
feel entitled to bitch about what the government isn't doing with *other
people's* money.

I wonder if all democrats feel that way?

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