On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 16:08:56 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 09:42:09 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

You can drive from state to
state with an unloaded firearm in a case or box and not available for
ready use.

That works until you get up north.
There is no way to have a legal handgun in New York without a permit
from New York and it sounds the same in Massachusetts and New Jersey.


I seem to remember some competition shooter getting arrested in New York
for unlicensed pistol. He connecting flight was delayed and the airline
put him in a hotel. Pistols were in baggage.

I think that was Newark and he got arrested when he declared his
firearm (per federal law) when he rechecked his luggage.

On 10/5/2017 12:08 PM, Bill wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/5/2017 9:42 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/5/17 8:11 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/5/2017 7:45 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/5/17 12:30 AM, RGrew176 wrote:
I am hoping that congress will someday pass some sort or reciprocity
bill whereby a state will be required to recognize a Concealed Carry
license or permit from other states.

Right now the other 49 states recognize my Michigan drivers license.
As to my Concealed Carry Permit there are 8 states + some
territories that do not reciprocate and recognize my carry permit.

Right now I can conceal carry in all but California, Connecticut,
District of Columbia, Guam, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland,
Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, New York City, Oregon, Puerto
Rico, Rhode Island, Virgin Islands, American Samoa, N. Mariana Islands

A reciprocity bill would take care of that situation.



Gosh, if only you were at that concert in Vegas with your concealed
carry pistola, why, you would have been able to take out that nutcase
on the 32nd floor and save dozens of lives.

I let my Maryland carry permit expire. Carrying a concealed firearm
is a pain in the ass, among other discomforts.

Besides, if you are really worried, you should open carry and strap
an AR to your back. That way, everyone will give you wide berth on
your shopping trips to WalMart.


I don't think RGrew was thinking of his ability to take out someone
like the shooter in Las Vegas.Â* I think, like me, he was referring
more to the legal ability to travel from state to state with a firearm
without fear of being arrested and thrown in the clink simply for
having one in his car.

One of the purposes of having a gun permit is for last resort, self
defense in the rare, but always possible event of encountering a
situation where it's the bad guy or you (or people with you).Â* Weird
stuff happens on the road now-a-days.

Sometimes I carry.Â* Most often I don't.Â* It all depends on where I am
going and who I have with me.Â* I certainly don't find it to be a pain
in the ass.Â* Maybe you have the wrong type of carry handgun.



Yeah, I know why people say they carry. You can drive from state to
state with an unloaded firearm in a case or box and not available for
ready use.


My last read of the laws in some states says it's still confusing and
can be up to local cops to interpret. For example, you can "pass
through" New York with an unloaded handgun stored in a locked box in the
trunk or, as you say, not available for ready use. However, you
technically can not stop for anything other than short periods, (can't
overnight in a hotel) *and* you must be traveling from a state that
issued a permit *to* another state that recognizes your permit. Kinda
stupid because how does law enforcement know where you are traveling to?

On the entire east coast, the only state that recognizes a MA permit is
North Carolina. If stopped for some reason and my locked, unloaded gun
was discovered, I'd just say I was traveling the North Carolina.


New York, you can not possess an firearm without a license. Locked or not.
From what I read. California is extremely hard to get a CCL, but legal to
have an unloaded firearm in the vehicle in a locked case. Does not have to
be in trunk, as a big percentage of vehicles have no trunk. Vans and
pickups.



Say ... maybe Massachusetts laws aren't so bad afterall. :-)

On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 16:08:56 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

I seem to remember some competition shooter getting arrested in New York
for unlicensed pistol. He connecting flight was delayed and the airline
put him in a hotel. Pistols were in baggage.

===

It has happened more than once, and there is at least one defense
attorney who specializes in those cases. If you follow all of the
rules you are supposed to notify the airline of a handgun in your
checked baggage, and apparently the airline has a legal obligation to
notify law enforcement if you land in NY or NJ. It's a real Catch-22
situation.

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On Thu, 05 Oct 2017 14:15:54 -0400,
wrote:

On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 16:08:56 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

I seem to remember some competition shooter getting arrested in New York
for unlicensed pistol. He connecting flight was delayed and the airline
put him in a hotel. Pistols were in baggage.

===

It has happened more than once, and there is at least one defense
attorney who specializes in those cases. If you follow all of the
rules you are supposed to notify the airline of a handgun in your
checked baggage, and apparently the airline has a legal obligation to
notify law enforcement if you land in NY or NJ. It's a real Catch-22
situation.

You are not in trouble as long as the airline maintains control of the
bag. It is when they give the bag back to you that you become a felon.
If you ever get caught in that situation, it is better to let them
keep the bag checked through to the final destination and make them
buy you some clothes. Then you just have to hope the gun is still
there. Delayed bags seem to get picked through more often than bags
that keep moving. A gun is not going to make it if anyone browses your
bags.

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/5/17 12:30 AM, RGrew176 wrote:
I am hoping that congress will someday pass some sort or reciprocity
bill whereby a state will be required to recognize a Concealed Carry
license or permit from other states.

Right now the other 49 states recognize my Michigan drivers license.
As to my Concealed Carry Permit there are 8 states + some territories
that do not reciprocate and recognize my carry permit.

Right now I can conceal carry in all but California, Connecticut,
District of Columbia, Guam, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland,
Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, New York City, Oregon, Puerto
Rico, Rhode Island, Virgin Islands, American Samoa, N. Mariana Islands

A reciprocity bill would take care of that situation.



Gosh, if only you were at that concert in Vegas with your concealed
carry pistola, why, you would have been able to take out that nutcase
on the 32nd floor and save dozens of lives.

I let my Maryland carry permit expire. Carrying a concealed firearm is
a pain in the ass, among other discomforts.

Besides, if you are really worried, you should open carry and strap an
AR to your back. That way, everyone will give you wide berth on your
shopping trips to WalMart.

What about your other CC permits?

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/5/2017 7:45 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/5/17 12:30 AM, RGrew176 wrote:
I am hoping that congress will someday pass some sort or reciprocity
bill whereby a state will be required to recognize a Concealed Carry
license or permit from other states.

Right now the other 49 states recognize my Michigan drivers license.
As to my Concealed Carry Permit there are 8 states + some
territories that do not reciprocate and recognize my carry permit.

Right now I can conceal carry in all but California, Connecticut,
District of Columbia, Guam, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland,
Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, New York City, Oregon, Puerto
Rico, Rhode Island, Virgin Islands, American Samoa, N. Mariana Islands

A reciprocity bill would take care of that situation.



Gosh, if only you were at that concert in Vegas with your concealed
carry pistola, why, you would have been able to take out that nutcase
on the 32nd floor and save dozens of lives.

I let my Maryland carry permit expire. Carrying a concealed firearm
is a pain in the ass, among other discomforts.

Besides, if you are really worried, you should open carry and strap
an AR to your back. That way, everyone will give you wide berth on
your shopping trips to WalMart.


I don't think RGrew was thinking of his ability to take out someone
like the shooter in Las Vegas. I think, like me, he was referring
more to the legal ability to travel from state to state with a firearm
without fear of being arrested and thrown in the clink simply for
having one in his car.

One of the purposes of having a gun permit is for last resort, self
defense in the rare, but always possible event of encountering a
situation where it's the bad guy or you (or people with you). Weird
stuff happens on the road now-a-days.

Sometimes I carry. Most often I don't. It all depends on where I am
going and who I have with me. I certainly don't find it to be a pain
in the ass. Maybe you have the wrong type of carry handgun.



He has the wrong body shape. Fat people can't conceal much of anything.

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/5/17 8:11 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/5/2017 7:45 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/5/17 12:30 AM, RGrew176 wrote:
I am hoping that congress will someday pass some sort or
reciprocity bill whereby a state will be required to recognize a
Concealed Carry license or permit from other states.

Right now the other 49 states recognize my Michigan drivers
license. As to my Concealed Carry Permit there are 8 states + some
territories that do not reciprocate and recognize my carry permit.

Right now I can conceal carry in all but California, Connecticut,
District of Columbia, Guam, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland,
Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, New York City, Oregon, Puerto
Rico, Rhode Island, Virgin Islands, American Samoa, N. Mariana Islands

A reciprocity bill would take care of that situation.



Gosh, if only you were at that concert in Vegas with your concealed
carry pistola, why, you would have been able to take out that
nutcase on the 32nd floor and save dozens of lives.

I let my Maryland carry permit expire. Carrying a concealed firearm
is a pain in the ass, among other discomforts.

Besides, if you are really worried, you should open carry and strap
an AR to your back. That way, everyone will give you wide berth on
your shopping trips to WalMart.


I don't think RGrew was thinking of his ability to take out someone
like the shooter in Las Vegas. I think, like me, he was referring
more to the legal ability to travel from state to state with a
firearm without fear of being arrested and thrown in the clink simply
for having one in his car.

One of the purposes of having a gun permit is for last resort, self
defense in the rare, but always possible event of encountering a
situation where it's the bad guy or you (or people with you). Weird
stuff happens on the road now-a-days.

Sometimes I carry. Most often I don't. It all depends on where I am
going and who I have with me. I certainly don't find it to be a pain
in the ass. Maybe you have the wrong type of carry handgun.



Yeah, I know why people say they carry. You can drive from state to
state with an unloaded firearm in a case or box and not available for
ready use.

Not every state. Not a lot of states.