On 10/15/2017 11:17 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/14/17 9:27 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 19:04:02 -0400, John H
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On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 16:55:27 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/14/2017 3:51 PM, wrote:
I don't personally know this boat but it sure looks nice.Â* It's
possible that they will take a well maintained imaginary boat in trade
but only if it has Corintian Leather cushions.

https://youtu.be/WsvN2KH8TyA

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2003/Seahorse-Pilothouse-LRC-3132056/Glen-Burnie/MD/United-States#.WeJp-Dtrx6m


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Very nice.Â* Has a real "wheel house".Â* Engine spaces seems a little
busy
based on the pictures but they can be deceiving.Â* Asking price doesn't
seem bad, especially considering all the upgrades and work done on the
engines.Â* Only 1700 hours.Â* Hmmmmm....

Unless all those pictures were taken when brand new, he has kept it
in pristine shape. Wow.

I am guessing it was a tax write off for some corporate owner and they
had a full time guy doing nothing but shining it up and keeping things
working. That was what my buddy did for years.
The owner took clients out for a ride and a sales pitch.


I'd bet that barge draws 5' or close to it of water.


More like 3-4 feet. What does your twin Volvo powered trawler draw?

On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 13:57:25 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/15/2017 11:17 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/14/17 9:27 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 19:04:02 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 16:55:27 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/14/2017 3:51 PM, wrote:
I don't personally know this boat but it sure looks nice.* It's
possible that they will take a well maintained imaginary boat in trade
but only if it has Corintian Leather cushions.

https://youtu.be/WsvN2KH8TyA

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2003/Seahorse-Pilothouse-LRC-3132056/Glen-Burnie/MD/United-States#.WeJp-Dtrx6m


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Very nice.* Has a real "wheel house".* Engine spaces seems a little
busy
based on the pictures but they can be deceiving.* Asking price doesn't
seem bad, especially considering all the upgrades and work done on the
engines.* Only 1700 hours.* Hmmmmm....

Unless all those pictures were taken when brand new, he has kept it
in pristine shape. Wow.

I am guessing it was a tax write off for some corporate owner and they
had a full time guy doing nothing but shining it up and keeping things
working. That was what my buddy did for years.
The owner took clients out for a ride and a sales pitch.


I'd bet that barge draws 5' or close to it of water.


More like 3-4 feet. What does your twin Volvo powered trawler draw?

===

Based on the pictures I've seen, he has the shallow draft model:

https://r.hswstatic.com/w_907/gif/podcasts/stuffyoushouldknow-podcasts-wp-content-uploads-sites-16-2014-03-toyboatthreetimes600x350.jpg

On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 13:57:25 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 10/15/2017 11:17 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/14/17 9:27 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 19:04:02 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 16:55:27 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/14/2017 3:51 PM, wrote:
I don't personally know this boat but it sure looks nice.* It's
possible that they will take a well maintained imaginary boat in trade
but only if it has Corintian Leather cushions.

https://youtu.be/WsvN2KH8TyA

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2003/Seahorse-Pilothouse-LRC-3132056/Glen-Burnie/MD/United-States#.WeJp-Dtrx6m


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Very nice.* Has a real "wheel house".* Engine spaces seems a little
busy
based on the pictures but they can be deceiving.* Asking price doesn't
seem bad, especially considering all the upgrades and work done on the
engines.* Only 1700 hours.* Hmmmmm....

Unless all those pictures were taken when brand new, he has kept it
in pristine shape. Wow.

I am guessing it was a tax write off for some corporate owner and they
had a full time guy doing nothing but shining it up and keeping things
working. That was what my buddy did for years.
The owner took clients out for a ride and a sales pitch.


I'd bet that barge draws 5' or close to it of water.


More like 3-4 feet. What does your twin Volvo powered trawler draw?

~~crickets~~~

On 10/15/17 1:57 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/15/2017 11:17 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/14/17 9:27 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 19:04:02 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 16:55:27 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/14/2017 3:51 PM, wrote:
I don't personally know this boat but it sure looks nice.Â* It's
possible that they will take a well maintained imaginary boat in
trade
but only if it has Corintian Leather cushions.

https://youtu.be/WsvN2KH8TyA

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2003/Seahorse-Pilothouse-LRC-3132056/Glen-Burnie/MD/United-States#.WeJp-Dtrx6m


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Very nice.Â* Has a real "wheel house".Â* Engine spaces seems a little
busy
based on the pictures but they can be deceiving.Â* Asking price doesn't
seem bad, especially considering all the upgrades and work done on the
engines.Â* Only 1700 hours.Â* Hmmmmm....

Unless all those pictures were taken when brand new, he has kept it
in pristine shape. Wow.

I am guessing it was a tax write off for some corporate owner and they
had a full time guy doing nothing but shining it up and keeping things
working. That was what my buddy did for years.
The owner took clients out for a ride and a sales pitch.


I'd bet that barge draws 5' or close to it of water.


More like 3-4 feet.Â* What does your twin Volvo powered trawler draw?

Less than 4'

On 10/15/2017 5:27 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/15/17 1:57 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/15/2017 11:17 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/14/17 9:27 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 19:04:02 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 16:55:27 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/14/2017 3:51 PM, wrote:
I don't personally know this boat but it sure looks nice.Â* It's
possible that they will take a well maintained imaginary boat in
trade
but only if it has Corintian Leather cushions.

https://youtu.be/WsvN2KH8TyA

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2003/Seahorse-Pilothouse-LRC-3132056/Glen-Burnie/MD/United-States#.WeJp-Dtrx6m


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Very nice.Â* Has a real "wheel house".Â* Engine spaces seems a
little busy
based on the pictures but they can be deceiving.Â* Asking price
doesn't
seem bad, especially considering all the upgrades and work done on
the
engines.Â* Only 1700 hours.Â* Hmmmmm....

Unless all those pictures were taken when brand new, he has kept it
in pristine shape. Wow.

I am guessing it was a tax write off for some corporate owner and they
had a full time guy doing nothing but shining it up and keeping things
working. That was what my buddy did for years.
The owner took clients out for a ride and a sales pitch.


I'd bet that barge draws 5' or close to it of water.


More like 3-4 feet.Â* What does your twin Volvo powered trawler draw?

Less than 4'

I'd love to see a pic of it.

On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 17:41:13 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 10/15/2017 5:27 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/15/17 1:57 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/15/2017 11:17 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/14/17 9:27 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 19:04:02 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 16:55:27 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/14/2017 3:51 PM, wrote:
I don't personally know this boat but it sure looks nice.* It's
possible that they will take a well maintained imaginary boat in
trade
but only if it has Corintian Leather cushions.

https://youtu.be/WsvN2KH8TyA

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2003/Seahorse-Pilothouse-LRC-3132056/Glen-Burnie/MD/United-States#.WeJp-Dtrx6m


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Very nice.* Has a real "wheel house".* Engine spaces seems a
little busy
based on the pictures but they can be deceiving.* Asking price
doesn't
seem bad, especially considering all the upgrades and work done on
the
engines.* Only 1700 hours.* Hmmmmm....

Unless all those pictures were taken when brand new, he has kept it
in pristine shape. Wow.

I am guessing it was a tax write off for some corporate owner and they
had a full time guy doing nothing but shining it up and keeping things
working. That was what my buddy did for years.
The owner took clients out for a ride and a sales pitch.


I'd bet that barge draws 5' or close to it of water.


More like 3-4 feet.* What does your twin Volvo powered trawler draw?

Less than 4'

I'd love to see a pic of it.

Two inches is less than 4'!

On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 13:57:25 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/15/2017 11:17 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/14/17 9:27 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 19:04:02 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 16:55:27 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/14/2017 3:51 PM, wrote:
I don't personally know this boat but it sure looks nice.* It's
possible that they will take a well maintained imaginary boat in trade
but only if it has Corintian Leather cushions.

https://youtu.be/WsvN2KH8TyA

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2003/Seahorse-Pilothouse-LRC-3132056/Glen-Burnie/MD/United-States#.WeJp-Dtrx6m


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Very nice.* Has a real "wheel house".* Engine spaces seems a little
busy
based on the pictures but they can be deceiving.* Asking price doesn't
seem bad, especially considering all the upgrades and work done on the
engines.* Only 1700 hours.* Hmmmmm....

Unless all those pictures were taken when brand new, he has kept it
in pristine shape. Wow.

I am guessing it was a tax write off for some corporate owner and they
had a full time guy doing nothing but shining it up and keeping things
working. That was what my buddy did for years.
The owner took clients out for a ride and a sales pitch.


I'd bet that barge draws 5' or close to it of water.


More like 3-4 feet. What does your twin Volvo powered trawler draw?

===

According to the Yacht World listing it draws exactly 5 ft and has a
full keel to protect the props - fairly typical for serious trawlers.
It comes in handy when cruising the boondocks and the nearest prop
shop might be 500 miles away.

On 10/15/17 10:08 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 13:57:25 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/15/2017 11:17 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/14/17 9:27 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 19:04:02 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 16:55:27 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/14/2017 3:51 PM, wrote:
I don't personally know this boat but it sure looks nice.Â* It's
possible that they will take a well maintained imaginary boat in trade
but only if it has Corintian Leather cushions.

https://youtu.be/WsvN2KH8TyA

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2003/Seahorse-Pilothouse-LRC-3132056/Glen-Burnie/MD/United-States#.WeJp-Dtrx6m


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Very nice.Â* Has a real "wheel house".Â* Engine spaces seems a little
busy
based on the pictures but they can be deceiving.Â* Asking price doesn't
seem bad, especially considering all the upgrades and work done on the
engines.Â* Only 1700 hours.Â* Hmmmmm....

Unless all those pictures were taken when brand new, he has kept it
in pristine shape. Wow.

I am guessing it was a tax write off for some corporate owner and they
had a full time guy doing nothing but shining it up and keeping things
working. That was what my buddy did for years.
The owner took clients out for a ride and a sales pitch.


I'd bet that barge draws 5' or close to it of water.


More like 3-4 feet. What does your twin Volvo powered trawler draw?

===

According to the Yacht World listing it draws exactly 5 ft and has a
full keel to protect the props - fairly typical for serious trawlers.
It comes in handy when cruising the boondocks and the nearest prop
shop might be 500 miles away.


As one example of the issues 5' of draw raises, there are places on the
ICW where the maintained channel is very, very narrow and if you wander
out of it just a bit, you are going to run aground, even on a shallow
draft boat. There were a few times when I was running one way on the ICW
in NE Florida in an outboard boat and I encountered a pushed barge
coming the other way, and in places where the maintained channel was
barely wide enough for the barge and certainly not enough for two boats
traveling in opposite directions meeting each other, so I would pull out
of the channel and in a few cases started churning up mud. A yacht with
a 5' draft would have run aground, perhaps hard aground. No thanks.

On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 07:15:06 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 10/15/17 10:08 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 13:57:25 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/15/2017 11:17 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/14/17 9:27 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 19:04:02 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 16:55:27 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/14/2017 3:51 PM, wrote:
I don't personally know this boat but it sure looks nice.* It's
possible that they will take a well maintained imaginary boat in trade
but only if it has Corintian Leather cushions.

https://youtu.be/WsvN2KH8TyA

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2003/Seahorse-Pilothouse-LRC-3132056/Glen-Burnie/MD/United-States#.WeJp-Dtrx6m


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Very nice.* Has a real "wheel house".* Engine spaces seems a little
busy
based on the pictures but they can be deceiving.* Asking price doesn't
seem bad, especially considering all the upgrades and work done on the
engines.* Only 1700 hours.* Hmmmmm....

Unless all those pictures were taken when brand new, he has kept it
in pristine shape. Wow.

I am guessing it was a tax write off for some corporate owner and they
had a full time guy doing nothing but shining it up and keeping things
working. That was what my buddy did for years.
The owner took clients out for a ride and a sales pitch.


I'd bet that barge draws 5' or close to it of water.


More like 3-4 feet. What does your twin Volvo powered trawler draw?

===

According to the Yacht World listing it draws exactly 5 ft and has a
full keel to protect the props - fairly typical for serious trawlers.
It comes in handy when cruising the boondocks and the nearest prop
shop might be 500 miles away.


As one example of the issues 5' of draw raises, there are places on the
ICW where the maintained channel is very, very narrow and if you wander
out of it just a bit, you are going to run aground, even on a shallow
draft boat. There were a few times when I was running one way on the ICW
in NE Florida in an outboard boat and I encountered a pushed barge
coming the other way, and in places where the maintained channel was
barely wide enough for the barge and certainly not enough for two boats
traveling in opposite directions meeting each other, so I would pull out
of the channel and in a few cases started churning up mud. A yacht with
a 5' draft would have run aground, perhaps hard aground. No thanks.

When the boat is seaworthy enough, and the captain is qualified, the ICW isn't necessary. Just ask
Wayne.

Your little Parker and your imaginary trawler, on the other hand, should stick to the ICW.

On 10/16/2017 7:15 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/15/17 10:08 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 13:57:25 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/15/2017 11:17 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/14/17 9:27 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 19:04:02 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 16:55:27 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/14/2017 3:51 PM, wrote:
I don't personally know this boat but it sure looks nice.Â* It's
possible that they will take a well maintained imaginary boat in
trade
but only if it has Corintian Leather cushions.

https://youtu.be/WsvN2KH8TyA

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2003/Seahorse-Pilothouse-LRC-3132056/Glen-Burnie/MD/United-States#.WeJp-Dtrx6m



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Very nice.Â* Has a real "wheel house".Â* Engine spaces seems a little
busy
based on the pictures but they can be deceiving.Â* Asking price
doesn't
seem bad, especially considering all the upgrades and work done
on the
engines.Â* Only 1700 hours.Â* Hmmmmm....

Unless all those pictures were taken when brand new, he has kept it
in pristine shape. Wow.

I am guessing it was a tax write off for some corporate owner and they
had a full time guy doing nothing but shining it up and keeping things
working. That was what my buddy did for years.
The owner took clients out for a ride and a sales pitch.


I'd bet that barge draws 5' or close to it of water.


More like 3-4 feet.Â* What does your twin Volvo powered trawler draw?

===

According to the Yacht World listing it draws exactly 5 ft and has a
full keel to protect the props - fairly typical for serious trawlers.
It comes in handy when cruising the boondocks and the nearest prop
shop might be 500 miles away.


As one example of the issues 5' of draw raises, there are places on the
ICW where the maintained channel is very, very narrow and if you wander
out of it just a bit, you are going to run aground, even on a shallow
draft boat. There were a few times when I was running one way on the ICW
in NE Florida in an outboard boat and I encountered a pushed barge
coming the other way, and in places where the maintained channel was
barely wide enough for the barge and certainly not enough for two boats
traveling in opposite directions meeting each other, so I would pull out
of the channel and in a few cases started churning up mud. A yacht with
a 5' draft would have run aground, perhaps hard aground. No thanks.


It's part of the experience. The Navigator drew about 3 and a half to 4
feet, depending on fuel load. I went aground three times in different
places on the ICW in the southern states. I had the depth finder alarm
set at 6 feet and it was constantly going off. Fortunately all were
"soft" groundings and I was going very slowly, watching the depth gauge,
constantly looking for deeper water. I was able to back off them,
although one required the assistance of the thrusters.

I also learned that precisely following the channel markers was no
guaranty of safe passage. There are some areas on the ICW that have
short inlets from the ocean and a recent storm offshore caused sandbars
to build up smack in the middle of the ICW channel. Dredging barges
clear them but are of no help when you call them on the radio asking for
a recommendation of what side to pass them on. They won't advise you
and I later learned it's because they cannot assume any responsibility
for directing your passage.

I found that monitoring the radio helped a lot because those ahead of me
would report shallow spots and you could anticipate them. I had a friend
who was making the trip at the same time I was and at one point we were
within radio range of each other. (He was ahead of me and makes the
snowbird trip every year). He knew it was my first time making the
voyage and he helped a lot giving me warnings of shallow water. I
remember one of them was reported by several people so I slowed down to
a crawl and waited until I spotted a large sailboat, figuring that with
his keel, he drew more than I did and I just followed his course
through the shallow area.

Anyone on a larger boat who claims they never ran aground in the ICW
probably has never traveled the ICW.