On 11/20/2017 9:05 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 14:18:00 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I had the backhoe attachment for the John Deere tractor I had. Not big
(12 inch wide bucket) and not super powerful but it did a lot of work
over the years. I dug all the electrical and plumbing trenches for the
pool when we had it installed. The contractor had some kind of machine
but had a hard time because of all the rocks and boulders. The JD
handled them well, although I overloaded the hydraulics many times.
Trenches all had to be four feet deep and collectively there were about
150 -200 feet of them.


Cool. I always wished I had a decent reason to buy a backhoe. I played
with the one my nieces hubby borrowed to dig out my sister's abandoned
septic tank when they built their pool. If you only had one machine
that is probably the one to have but they are really not that popular
here. One of the guys I talked to said the arrangement of the hoses to
the backhoe arm on the traditional one is susceptible to too much wear
from the sand. In Maryland they were everywhere.
In the 1&2 family biz here an tracked Bobcat is king. We are not
digging deep foundations and you can do more with the Bobcat.
When my wife was building, there was always a Bobcat in the
neighborhood and MartÃ*n the operator was her buddy.



If you only need a front end loader a Bobcat is better than a tractor
with one but the one I had on the Deere certainly did a lot of work over
the years. The tractor is just not as maneuverable.
In the 16 years that I had it I only had to replace two short hydraulic
lines on the front loader but obviously it did the most work. It was
rated to lift 1,200 lbs but I know it lifted more than that a few times.
Front tires would go almost flat.

On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 20:39:13 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 12:41:28 -0500,
wrote:

On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 17:28:12 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:



Met older daughter and family for a weekend in Vegas. Wife gave son in
law and me an Excavator experience at digthisvegas.com. Fun weekend.
Expensive stay though. Even excluding any gambling. Stayed at Mandalay
Bay. Specials on room, but no reasonable dining. Even in room coffee
was $5 a cup. Got a lesson in a Cat 315C excavator. Dug a big hole,
moved 2500# tires and picked up a basketball and dropped in a tire. Fun
trip. I have a great wife. Great gifts. No boating.


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Cool. I'd like to try that sometime.

Call Sunbelt, they will rent you an excavator for far less than a
weekend in Vegas. Do you have any flower beds you need turned in the
yard? ;-)

I may be getting a "long stick" Gradall here as soon as I can work out
the details and arrange the operator. You can come over and play with
that.


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Hell yes, let me know. :-)

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On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 18:51:13 -0800 (PST), Its Me wrote:

On Monday, November 20, 2017 at 8:41:07 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 13:26:48 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 11/20/17 12:49 PM, Bill wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 17:28:12 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:



Met older daughter and family for a weekend in Vegas. Wife gave son in
law and me an Excavator experience at digthisvegas.com. Fun weekend.
Expensive stay though. Even excluding any gambling. Stayed at Mandalay
Bay. Specials on room, but no reasonable dining. Even in room coffee
was $5 a cup. Got a lesson in a Cat 315C excavator. Dug a big hole,
moved 2500# tires and picked up a basketball and dropped in a tire. Fun
trip. I have a great wife. Great gifts. No boating.


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Cool. I'd like to try that sometime.

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He has a couple franchises elsewhere I think.


Yeah. I've driven one of those relatively tiny backhoes you see being
towed behind a pickup truck, and I managed not to kill anyone or destroy
the equipment. Love to try a full-sized ecavator.

I have rented a Bobcat a few times. They are fun

When I built the circular drive, my neighbor across the street left me his bobcat for a week while he was away on vacation. It was fun!

Got a call from my wife's church. "Hey John, you grew up on a farm, can you operate a Bobcat?"

"Sure." I said.

So I showed up. The rental agency guy arrived and I told him I'd be operating it. He asked if I'd
ever operated one. Nope, never had. He said it'd be a snap to learn, and it was. Had a blast all day
with that thing.

I want one.

On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 20:50:16 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 18:35:01 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 11/20/17 12:49 PM, Bill wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 17:28:12 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:



Met older daughter and family for a weekend in Vegas. Wife gave son in
law and me an Excavator experience at digthisvegas.com. Fun weekend.
Expensive stay though. Even excluding any gambling. Stayed at Mandalay
Bay. Specials on room, but no reasonable dining. Even in room coffee
was $5 a cup. Got a lesson in a Cat 315C excavator. Dug a big hole,
moved 2500# tires and picked up a basketball and dropped in a tire. Fun
trip. I have a great wife. Great gifts. No boating.


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He has a couple franchises elsewhere I think.


Yeah. I've driven one of those relatively tiny backhoes you see being
towed behind a pickup truck, and I managed not to kill anyone or destroy
the equipment. Love to try a full-sized ecavator.


Full size is lots different than a Bobcat sided backhoe. For one, the cab
will rotate 360degrees. So no moving the tracks when digging. And do not
have to turn around to go backwards while facing forward. Just rotate the
cab and pull back on the track control instead of pushing forward.

That is how excavators work, even the little mini Kabotas. Loaders
like a bobcat are usually skid steer until you get real big. Then they
are articulated.
A backhoe is like you are talking about but that is actually a loader
with a "back hoe" added on it. The seat is reversible.
My niece's hubby was an operating engineer, as was his whole family
and most of the Harley guys I knew. They were sticklers for
nomenclature. I was also chastised for calling a concrete mixer a
"cement truck" ;-)

An awful lot of folks confuse concrete and cement, so don't feel badly.

On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 20:53:11 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 13:48:47 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 17:28:12 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:



Met older daughter and family for a weekend in Vegas. Wife gave son in
law and me an Excavator experience at digthisvegas.com. Fun weekend.
Expensive stay though. Even excluding any gambling. Stayed at Mandalay
Bay. Specials on room, but no reasonable dining. Even in room coffee
was $5 a cup. Got a lesson in a Cat 315C excavator. Dug a big hole,
moved 2500# tires and picked up a basketball and dropped in a tire. Fun
trip. I have a great wife. Great gifts. No boating.

Sounds like you had a blast. Funny that back in the mid-70's there were prime rib buffets to be had
for $5.99, and breakfasts in resort hotels for 99 cents. That was for bacon, two eggs, and toast. I
could get well filled for $3!

That was before Vegas became "family friendly" and they catered to
hard core gamblers. If you were spending much time at the tables, that
buffet was comped anyway.
My sister was an AC person (Sands Platinum card) and they never paid
for anything.

I shot my $50 weekend limit and that was it. They made very little money from me.

What's 'AC' mean?

On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 10:56:17 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 18:51:13 -0800 (PST), Its Me wrote:

On Monday, November 20, 2017 at 8:41:07 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 13:26:48 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 11/20/17 12:49 PM, Bill wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 17:28:12 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:



Met older daughter and family for a weekend in Vegas. Wife gave son in
law and me an Excavator experience at digthisvegas.com. Fun weekend.
Expensive stay though. Even excluding any gambling. Stayed at Mandalay
Bay. Specials on room, but no reasonable dining. Even in room coffee
was $5 a cup. Got a lesson in a Cat 315C excavator. Dug a big hole,
moved 2500# tires and picked up a basketball and dropped in a tire. Fun
trip. I have a great wife. Great gifts. No boating.


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Cool. I'd like to try that sometime.

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He has a couple franchises elsewhere I think.


Yeah. I've driven one of those relatively tiny backhoes you see being
towed behind a pickup truck, and I managed not to kill anyone or destroy
the equipment. Love to try a full-sized ecavator.

I have rented a Bobcat a few times. They are fun

When I built the circular drive, my neighbor across the street left me his bobcat for a week while he was away on vacation. It was fun!

Got a call from my wife's church. "Hey John, you grew up on a farm, can you operate a Bobcat?"

"Sure." I said.

So I showed up. The rental agency guy arrived and I told him I'd be operating it. He asked if I'd
ever operated one. Nope, never had. He said it'd be a snap to learn, and it was. Had a blast all day
with that thing.

I want one.

That was my experience when I have rented machines. The driver gave me
a 2 minute "lesson" and drove away.
It is not hard to make everything move but it takes a while to do it
instinctively. I was actually getting pretty good with the New Holland
I rented in Maryland when I was building that addition but I had it
the whole week. I moved a lot of dirt around.
I only had the Bobcat 3 days here, doing my rip rap. (a weekend).
If you get one at a slow time for them you may end up having it more
days than you rented for because they don't come get it until it is
rented again. We had that with the man lift I got for the first swing
at the fichus tree and had it sitting here for 3 days on a one day
rental. I really was having a hard time finding a use for it tho. I
did use it to replace a bad screen panel in the middle of the roof of
my 15' high cage.
I used my climbing harness, hanging from the basket and Judy "Peter
Panned" me out over the cage from the ground. It worked surprisingly
well.

On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 10:59:03 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 20:53:11 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 13:48:47 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 17:28:12 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:



Met older daughter and family for a weekend in Vegas. Wife gave son in
law and me an Excavator experience at digthisvegas.com. Fun weekend.
Expensive stay though. Even excluding any gambling. Stayed at Mandalay
Bay. Specials on room, but no reasonable dining. Even in room coffee
was $5 a cup. Got a lesson in a Cat 315C excavator. Dug a big hole,
moved 2500# tires and picked up a basketball and dropped in a tire. Fun
trip. I have a great wife. Great gifts. No boating.

Sounds like you had a blast. Funny that back in the mid-70's there were prime rib buffets to be had
for $5.99, and breakfasts in resort hotels for 99 cents. That was for bacon, two eggs, and toast. I
could get well filled for $3!

That was before Vegas became "family friendly" and they catered to
hard core gamblers. If you were spending much time at the tables, that
buffet was comped anyway.
My sister was an AC person (Sands Platinum card) and they never paid
for anything.

I shot my $50 weekend limit and that was it. They made very little money from me.

What's 'AC' mean?

Atlantic City.

I am a rationed gambler these days too. I used to be more serious
about it but these days I avoid the casino or just take $5 or
something. Either I get lucky or I lose my $5.
Sometimes I will just put it on one bet and put it in my pocket if I
win. I figured out years ago, the more you play, the more you lose.
The only people who show a profit on their 1099 G are the ones who
make a big score early and get out. I know my sister used to always
talk about her "winnings" but over all of those years, my brother in
law said they never had to pay taxes on that money.
That is one good thing about gambling "on the card" tho. You get a
statement, just like at a bank. I am surprised they do it. They
rationalized going to AC was still cheaper than a cruise and cruise
ships don't comp anything for gamblers..

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On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 10:56:17 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 18:51:13 -0800 (PST), Its Me wrote:

On Monday, November 20, 2017 at 8:41:07 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 13:26:48 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 11/20/17 12:49 PM, Bill wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 17:28:12 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:



Met older daughter and family for a weekend in Vegas. Wife gave son in
law and me an Excavator experience at digthisvegas.com. Fun weekend.
Expensive stay though. Even excluding any gambling. Stayed at Mandalay
Bay. Specials on room, but no reasonable dining. Even in room coffee
was $5 a cup. Got a lesson in a Cat 315C excavator. Dug a big hole,
moved 2500# tires and picked up a basketball and dropped in a tire. Fun
trip. I have a great wife. Great gifts. No boating.


===

Cool. I'd like to try that sometime.

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He has a couple franchises elsewhere I think.


Yeah. I've driven one of those relatively tiny backhoes you see being
towed behind a pickup truck, and I managed not to kill anyone or destroy
the equipment. Love to try a full-sized ecavator.

I have rented a Bobcat a few times. They are fun

When I built the circular drive, my neighbor across the street left me
his bobcat for a week while he was away on vacation. It was fun!

Got a call from my wife's church. "Hey John, you grew up on a farm, can
you operate a Bobcat?"

"Sure." I said.

So I showed up. The rental agency guy arrived and I told him I'd be
operating it. He asked if I'd
ever operated one. Nope, never had. He said it'd be a snap to learn, and
it was. Had a blast all day
with that thing.

I want one.

That was my experience when I have rented machines. The driver gave me
a 2 minute "lesson" and drove away.
It is not hard to make everything move but it takes a while to do it
instinctively. I was actually getting pretty good with the New Holland
I rented in Maryland when I was building that addition but I had it
the whole week. I moved a lot of dirt around.
I only had the Bobcat 3 days here, doing my rip rap. (a weekend).
If you get one at a slow time for them you may end up having it more
days than you rented for because they don't come get it until it is
rented again. We had that with the man lift I got for the first swing
at the fichus tree and had it sitting here for 3 days on a one day
rental. I really was having a hard time finding a use for it tho. I
did use it to replace a bad screen panel in the middle of the roof of
my 15' high cage.
I used my climbing harness, hanging from the basket and Judy "Peter
Panned" me out over the cage from the ground. It worked surprisingly
well.


Right after she checked to see if your life insurance premium was paid.

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On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 10:56:17 -0500, John H
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On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 18:51:13 -0800 (PST), Its Me wrote:

On Monday, November 20, 2017 at 8:41:07 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 13:26:48 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 11/20/17 12:49 PM, Bill wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 17:28:12 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:



Met older daughter and family for a weekend in Vegas. Wife gave son in
law and me an Excavator experience at digthisvegas.com. Fun weekend.
Expensive stay though. Even excluding any gambling. Stayed at Mandalay
Bay. Specials on room, but no reasonable dining. Even in room coffee
was $5 a cup. Got a lesson in a Cat 315C excavator. Dug a big hole,
moved 2500# tires and picked up a basketball and dropped in a tire. Fun
trip. I have a great wife. Great gifts. No boating.


===

Cool. I'd like to try that sometime.

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He has a couple franchises elsewhere I think.


Yeah. I've driven one of those relatively tiny backhoes you see being
towed behind a pickup truck, and I managed not to kill anyone or destroy
the equipment. Love to try a full-sized ecavator.

I have rented a Bobcat a few times. They are fun

When I built the circular drive, my neighbor across the street left me his bobcat for a week while he was away on vacation. It was fun!

Got a call from my wife's church. "Hey John, you grew up on a farm, can you operate a Bobcat?"

"Sure." I said.

So I showed up. The rental agency guy arrived and I told him I'd be operating it. He asked if I'd
ever operated one. Nope, never had. He said it'd be a snap to learn, and it was. Had a blast all day
with that thing.

I want one.

That was my experience when I have rented machines. The driver gave me
a 2 minute "lesson" and drove away.
It is not hard to make everything move but it takes a while to do it
instinctively. I was actually getting pretty good with the New Holland
I rented in Maryland when I was building that addition but I had it
the whole week. I moved a lot of dirt around.
I only had the Bobcat 3 days here, doing my rip rap. (a weekend).
If you get one at a slow time for them you may end up having it more
days than you rented for because they don't come get it until it is
rented again. We had that with the man lift I got for the first swing
at the fichus tree and had it sitting here for 3 days on a one day
rental. I really was having a hard time finding a use for it tho. I
did use it to replace a bad screen panel in the middle of the roof of
my 15' high cage.
I used my climbing harness, hanging from the basket and Judy "Peter
Panned" me out over the cage from the ground. It worked surprisingly
well.


Oh. To be a fly on the wall. :-)
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Got a call from my wife's church. "Hey John, you grew up on a farm, can you operate a Bobcat?"

"Sure." I said.

So I showed up. The rental agency guy arrived and I told him I'd be operating it. He asked if I'd
ever operated one. Nope, never had. He said it'd be a snap to learn, and it was. Had a blast all day
with that thing.

I want one.
.....

About 5 years ago I sold my D7 Cat crawler. It had some minor flaws but was still workable. And I got fair money out of it. I kinda wished I’d kept it, there’s some projects in the farm I could use it for.
John you coulda come out and I’d have put you to work. You’d have had a real blast!