On Tue, 9 Jan 2018 16:04:40 -0800 (PST), True North wrote:

On Tuesday, 9 January 2018 19:01:32 UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/9/2018 5:47 PM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 9 Jan 2018 21:48:33 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:



Harbor Freight has one they claim as quiet as Honda. $500.
https://www.harborfreight.com/engine...tor-62523.html

I wish they'd had that when I bought my Honda. But I don't think it'll operate in parallel with
another like the Honda will.



I read the owner's manual for it. It *will* parallel with another like
generator.

It also has the feature that I think is probably the Honda's best
feature ... the economy switch. For light loads you can turn it on
and the generator will become very quiet and fuel efficient.

Looks like a reverse engineered copy of the Honda. I didn't notice but
it must be made in China.

Finally pulled the plug and bought the Eu 2000i at lunchtime. The sales guy had made up the order and assigned it to me when it arrived yeaterday. I had been out there on Friday while stillout of power and with another 20 hrs of same facing me. I would have bought the unit with no questions then if one was available. Anyway, when we got there salesman was looking after another couple. We all ended up discussing the pros and cons of the Eu200i vs a bigger model. Then another guy gets in on the discussion. Back and forth it goes with the guy from the couple waffling as much as me. Crowd starting to gather at the desk looking for parts or whatever. One other person trying to help them. Finally I tell the salesman to cash me in on the 2000. Got up to the desk and started waffling again so I tell him to order me in an EG 2800 and I'd decide between the two. Go back and the couple guy is frantically searching the internet on his phone for advice and calling an engineer friend. I
make
the mistake of asking the wife what she thinks. She just wants to get out so says buy the 200. I tell the salesman to ring me up..then he has to do the pre-delivery inspection , adding of oil and gas and supposidly running the unit. The poor couple. the other guy and the half dozen people milling around the front counter are starting to give me dirty looks. Anyway, salesman does his thing, tells me the unit is at the door ready to go. Go up and I see the generator but no manual etc. One of the guys milling around points to a package on the counter near the cardboard box. I put the unit in it's box, toss in the manual and wires with clips? into the box and get the hell out.
I won't do that at lunch time again.

That 200 she wanted to buy must have been a little bugger, eh?

On Tue, 09 Jan 2018 19:17:57 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 9 Jan 2018 16:04:40 -0800 (PST), True North wrote:

Finally pulled the plug and bought the Eu 2000i at lunchtime. The sales guy had made up the order and assigned it to me when it arrived yeaterday. I had been out there on Friday while stillout of power and with another 20 hrs of same facing me. I would have bought the unit with no questions then if one was available. Anyway, when we got there salesman was looking after another couple. We all ended up discussing the pros and cons of the Eu200i vs a bigger model. Then another guy gets in on the discussion. Back and forth it goes with the guy from the couple waffling as much as me. Crowd starting to gather at the desk looking for parts or whatever. One other person trying to help them. Finally I tell the salesman to cash me in on the 2000. Got up to the desk and started waffling again so I tell him to order me in an EG 2800 and I'd decide between the two. Go back and the couple guy is frantically searching the internet on his phone for advice and calling an engineer friend. I
make
the mistake of asking the wife what she thinks. She just wants to get out so says buy the 200. I tell the salesman to ring me up..then he has to do the pre-delivery inspection , adding of oil and gas and supposidly running the unit. The poor couple. the other guy and the half dozen people milling around the front counter are starting to give me dirty looks. Anyway, salesman does his thing, tells me the unit is at the door ready to go. Go up and I see the generator but no manual etc. One of the guys milling around points to a package on the counter near the cardboard box. I put the unit in it's box, toss in the manual and wires with clips? into the box and get the hell out.
I won't do that at lunch time again.

That 200 she wanted to buy must have been a little bugger, eh?

This is the engine it uses.
https://tinyurl.com/ybnn39ld

;-)

On 1/9/2018 7:09 PM, True North wrote:
On Tuesday, 9 January 2018 19:51:52 UTC-4, wrote:
On Tue, 9 Jan 2018 21:48:33 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:



Harbor Freight has one they claim as quiet as Honda. $500.
https://www.harborfreight.com/engine...tor-62523.html

Like most things at Harbor Fright this is a chinese knockoff but it
might be all anyone needs if it is just for a rare power failure. I
doubt you would want it if you were a camper or something you wanted
on your boat.

I see Yamaha has a neat looking copy of the Honda EU2000i for $50.00 less. Not sure if anyone deals with them around here so I stuck with the Honda.



Don, several companies have introduced inverter type generators due to
the popularity of the Honda inverter series. They probably are all very
good compared to a conventional, noisy, generator that has to run at
full RPM all the time.

If it makes you feel like you made the right decision, I've had mine for
over 13 years and it has gone through hell, especially when the stone
cutters for our pool installation used it for a full summer, 6-7 hours a
day to power the stone saws.

Still has the original spark plug in it. I took it out last year and it
still looks like new. Even the gap was to spec. I've changed the oil
twice in 13 years. I've stored it for long periods with gas and Stabil
in it. Other than last week (before the recent storm), it always starts
with 3 or 4 pulls. I mentioned here that when it wouldn't start last
week I warmed up the carburetor area with a hairdryer for a few minutes,
pulled the cord and it fired right up. It was about 5 degrees out, so
it wasn't unexpected.

I think you made a good investment.

On 1/9/2018 7:14 PM, Bill wrote:
True North wrote:
On Tuesday, 9 January 2018 19:51:52 UTC-4, wrote:
On Tue, 9 Jan 2018 21:48:33 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:



Harbor Freight has one they claim as quiet as Honda. $500.
https://www.harborfreight.com/engine...tor-62523.html

Like most things at Harbor Fright this is a chinese knockoff but it
might be all anyone needs if it is just for a rare power failure. I
doubt you would want it if you were a camper or something you wanted
on your boat.

I see Yamaha has a neat looking copy of the Honda EU2000i for $50.00
less. Not sure if anyone deals with them around here so I stuck with the Honda.


I have the Yamaha. Works well. Had to clean the carb this year. To
much gelled crud.



It's interesting that the manual for the Harbor Freight Predator
generator recommends storing it with a full tank of treated gas (Stabil
or similar), and letting it run for a while to distribute through the
carb before shutting it down. They allow recommend removing the
sparkplug, putting a tablespoon of oil in the cylinder, replace the plug
(but not the spark plug wire) and pulling on the cord several times to
distribute the oil in the cylinder.

They also recommend running it every 3 months will in storage.

They only recommend draining the gas for storage if the gas has not been
treated.

True North wrote:
On Tuesday, 9 January 2018 19:01:32 UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/9/2018 5:47 PM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 9 Jan 2018 21:48:33 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:


Harbor Freight has one they claim as quiet as Honda. $500.
https://www.harborfreight.com/engine...tor-62523.html
I wish they'd had that when I bought my Honda. But I don't think it'll operate in parallel with
another like the Honda will.


I read the owner's manual for it. It *will* parallel with another like
generator.

It also has the feature that I think is probably the Honda's best
feature ... the economy switch. For light loads you can turn it on
and the generator will become very quiet and fuel efficient.

Looks like a reverse engineered copy of the Honda. I didn't notice but
it must be made in China.
Finally pulled the plug and bought the Eu 2000i at lunchtime. The sales guy had made up the order and assigned it to me when it arrived yeaterday. I had been out there on Friday while stillout of power and with another 20 hrs of same facing me. I would have bought the unit with no questions then if one was available. Anyway, when we got there salesman was looking after another couple. We all ended up discussing the pros and cons of the Eu200i vs a bigger model. Then another guy gets in on the discussion. Back and forth it goes with the guy from the couple waffling as much as me. Crowd starting to gather at the desk looking for parts or whatever. One other person trying to help them. Finally I tell the salesman to cash me in on the 2000. Got up to the desk and started waffling again so I tell him to order me in an EG 2800 and I'd decide between the two. Go back and the couple guy is frantically searching the internet on his phone for advice and calling an engineer friend. I make the mistake of asking the wife what she thinks. She just wants to get out so says buy the 200. I tell the salesman to ring me up..then he has to do the pre-delivery inspection , adding of oil and gas and supposidly running the unit. The poor couple. the other guy and the half dozen people milling around the front counter are starting to give me dirty looks. Anyway, salesman does his thing, tells me the unit is at the door ready to go. Go up and I see the generator but no manual etc. One of the guys milling around points to a package on the counter near the cardboard box. I put the unit in it's box, toss in the manual and wires with clips? into the box and get the hell out.
I won't do that at lunch time again.
"stillout"?
"supposidly"?

Poor sentence structure and capitalization, too.

What's today's excuse?

John H wrote:
On Tue, 9 Jan 2018 16:04:40 -0800 (PST), True North wrote:

On Tuesday, 9 January 2018 19:01:32 UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/9/2018 5:47 PM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 9 Jan 2018 21:48:33 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:


Harbor Freight has one they claim as quiet as Honda. $500.
https://www.harborfreight.com/engine...tor-62523.html
I wish they'd had that when I bought my Honda. But I don't think it'll operate in parallel with
another like the Honda will.


I read the owner's manual for it. It *will* parallel with another like
generator.

It also has the feature that I think is probably the Honda's best
feature ... the economy switch. For light loads you can turn it on
and the generator will become very quiet and fuel efficient.

Looks like a reverse engineered copy of the Honda. I didn't notice but
it must be made in China.
Finally pulled the plug and bought the Eu 2000i at lunchtime. The sales guy had made up the order and assigned it to me when it arrived yeaterday. I had been out there on Friday while stillout of power and with another 20 hrs of same facing me. I would have bought the unit with no questions then if one was available. Anyway, when we got there salesman was looking after another couple. We all ended up discussing the pros and cons of the Eu200i vs a bigger model. Then another guy gets in on the discussion. Back and forth it goes with the guy from the couple waffling as much as me. Crowd starting to gather at the desk looking for parts or whatever. One other person trying to help them. Finally I tell the salesman to cash me in on the 2000. Got up to the desk and started waffling again so I tell him to order me in an EG 2800 and I'd decide between the two. Go back and the couple guy is frantically searching the internet on his phone for advice and calling an engineer friend. I
make
the mistake of asking the wife what she thinks. She just wants to get out so says buy the 200. I tell the salesman to ring me up..then he has to do the pre-delivery inspection , adding of oil and gas and supposidly running the unit. The poor couple. the other guy and the half dozen people milling around the front counter are starting to give me dirty looks. Anyway, salesman does his thing, tells me the unit is at the door ready to go. Go up and I see the generator but no manual etc. One of the guys milling around points to a package on the counter near the cardboard box. I put the unit in it's box, toss in the manual and wires with clips? into the box and get the hell out.
I won't do that at lunch time again.
That 200 she wanted to buy must have been a little bugger, eh?


"Supposidly"

On 1/9/18 7:54 PM, Alex wrote:
True North wrote:
On Tuesday, 9 January 2018 19:01:32 UTC-4, Mr. LudditeÂ* wrote:
On 1/9/2018 5:47 PM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 9 Jan 2018 21:48:33 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:


Harbor Freight has one they claim as quiet as Honda.Â* $500.
https://www.harborfreight.com/engine...tor-62523.html

I wish they'd had that when I bought my Honda. But I don't think
it'll operate in parallel with
another like the Honda will.


I read the owner's manual for it.Â* It *will* parallel with another like
generator.

It also has the feature that I think is probably the Honda's best
feature ... the economy switch.Â* For light loads you can turn it on
and the generator will become very quiet and fuel efficient.

Looks like a reverse engineered copy of the Honda.Â* I didn't notice but
it must be made in China.
Finally pulled the plug and bought the Eu 2000i at lunchtime.Â* The
sales guy had made up the order and assigned it to me when it arrived
yeaterday. I had been out there on Friday while stillout of power and
with another 20 hrs of same facing me.Â* I would have bought the unit
with no questions then if one was available.Â* Anyway, when we got
there salesman was looking after another couple. We all ended up
discussing the pros and cons of the Eu200i vs a bigger model. Then
another guy gets in on the discussion. Back and forth it goes with the
guy from the couple waffling as much as me. Crowd starting to gather
at the desk looking for parts or whatever. One other person trying to
help them.Â* Finally I tell the salesman to cash me in on the 2000.
Got up to the desk and started waffling again so I tell him to order
me in an EG 2800 and I'd decide between the two.Â* Go back and the
couple guy is frantically searching the internet on his phone for
advice and calling an engineer friend. I make the mistake of asking
the wife what she thinks.Â* She just wants to get out so says buy the
200. I tell the salesman to ring me up..then he has to do the
pre-delivery inspection , adding of oil and gas and supposidly running
the unit. The poor couple. the other guy and the half dozen people
milling around the front counter are starting to give me dirty looks.
Anyway, salesman does his thing, tells me the unit is at the door
ready to go. Go up and I see the generator but no manual etc.Â* One of
the guys milling around points to a package on the counter near the
cardboard box.Â* I put the unit in it's box, toss in the manual and
wires with clips? into the box and get the hell out.
I won't do that at lunch time again.
"stillout"?
"supposidly"?

Poor sentence structure and capitalization, too.

What's today's excuse?


And Alex once again demonstrates he is just a little asshole.

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/9/18 7:54 PM, Alex wrote:
True North wrote:
On Tuesday, 9 January 2018 19:01:32 UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/9/2018 5:47 PM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 9 Jan 2018 21:48:33 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:


Harbor Freight has one they claim as quiet as Honda. $500.
https://www.harborfreight.com/engine...tor-62523.html

I wish they'd had that when I bought my Honda. But I don't think
it'll operate in parallel with
another like the Honda will.


I read the owner's manual for it. It *will* parallel with another
like
generator.

It also has the feature that I think is probably the Honda's best
feature ... the economy switch. For light loads you can turn it on
and the generator will become very quiet and fuel efficient.

Looks like a reverse engineered copy of the Honda. I didn't notice
but
it must be made in China.
Finally pulled the plug and bought the Eu 2000i at lunchtime. The
sales guy had made up the order and assigned it to me when it
arrived yeaterday. I had been out there on Friday while stillout of
power and with another 20 hrs of same facing me. I would have bought
the unit with no questions then if one was available. Anyway, when
we got there salesman was looking after another couple. We all ended
up discussing the pros and cons of the Eu200i vs a bigger model.
Then another guy gets in on the discussion. Back and forth it goes
with the guy from the couple waffling as much as me. Crowd starting
to gather at the desk looking for parts or whatever. One other
person trying to help them. Finally I tell the salesman to cash me
in on the 2000. Got up to the desk and started waffling again so I
tell him to order me in an EG 2800 and I'd decide between the two.
Go back and the couple guy is frantically searching the internet on
his phone for advice and calling an engineer friend. I make the
mistake of asking the wife what she thinks. She just wants to get
out so says buy the 200. I tell the salesman to ring me up..then he
has to do the pre-delivery inspection , adding of oil and gas and
supposidly running the unit. The poor couple. the other guy and the
half dozen people milling around the front counter are starting to
give me dirty looks. Anyway, salesman does his thing, tells me the
unit is at the door ready to go. Go up and I see the generator but
no manual etc. One of the guys milling around points to a package
on the counter near the cardboard box. I put the unit in it's box,
toss in the manual and wires with clips? into the box and get the
hell out.
I won't do that at lunch time again.
"stillout"?
"supposidly"?

Poor sentence structure and capitalization, too.

What's today's excuse?


And Alex once again demonstrates he is just a little asshole.

Didn't you post the same thing every time Don pointed out typos?

On 1/9/18 7:42 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/9/2018 7:14 PM, Bill wrote:
True North wrote:
On Tuesday, 9 January 2018 19:51:52 UTC-4, Â* wrote:
On Tue, 9 Jan 2018 21:48:33 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:



Harbor Freight has one they claim as quiet as Honda.Â* $500.
https://www.harborfreight.com/engine...tor-62523.html


Like most things at Harbor Fright this is a chinese knockoff but it
might be all anyone needs if it is just for a rare power failure. I
doubt you would want it if you were a camper or something you wanted
on your boat.

I see Yamaha has a neat looking copy of the Honda EU2000i for $50.00
less.Â* Not sure if anyone deals with them around here so I stuck with
the Honda.


I have the Yamaha.Â*Â* Works well.Â* Had to clean the carb this year.Â*Â* To
much gelled crud.



It's interesting that the manual for the Harbor Freight Predator
generator recommends storing it with a full tank of treated gas (Stabil
or similar), and letting it run for a while to distribute through the
carb before shutting it down.Â* They allow recommend removing the
sparkplug, putting a tablespoon of oil in the cylinder, replace the plug
(but not the spark plug wire) and pulling on the cord several times to
distribute the oil in the cylinder.

They also recommend running it every 3 months will in storage.

They only recommend draining the gas for storage if the gas has not been
treated.


That's what the guy who runs the service shop that takes care of my lawn
tractor does...he picks up the machine, performs that service, changes
the oil, checks out everything, including the belts, sharpens the
blades, and brings it back. We push it into the storage shed. When it is
time to use it again, I reconnect the spark plug wires.

On Tuesday, 9 January 2018 20:34:00 UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/9/2018 7:09 PM, True North wrote:
On Tuesday, 9 January 2018 19:51:52 UTC-4, wrote:
On Tue, 9 Jan 2018 21:48:33 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:



Harbor Freight has one they claim as quiet as Honda. $500.
https://www.harborfreight.com/engine...tor-62523.html

Like most things at Harbor Fright this is a chinese knockoff but it
might be all anyone needs if it is just for a rare power failure. I
doubt you would want it if you were a camper or something you wanted
on your boat.

I see Yamaha has a neat looking copy of the Honda EU2000i for $50.00 less. Not sure if anyone deals with them around here so I stuck with the Honda.



Don, several companies have introduced inverter type generators due to
the popularity of the Honda inverter series. They probably are all very
good compared to a conventional, noisy, generator that has to run at
full RPM all the time.

If it makes you feel like you made the right decision, I've had mine for
over 13 years and it has gone through hell, especially when the stone
cutters for our pool installation used it for a full summer, 6-7 hours a
day to power the stone saws.

Still has the original spark plug in it. I took it out last year and it
still looks like new. Even the gap was to spec. I've changed the oil
twice in 13 years. I've stored it for long periods with gas and Stabil
in it. Other than last week (before the recent storm), it always starts
with 3 or 4 pulls. I mentioned here that when it wouldn't start last
week I warmed up the carburetor area with a hairdryer for a few minutes,
pulled the cord and it fired right up. It was about 5 degrees out, so
it wasn't unexpected.

I think you made a good investment.

Thanks for that. All in including taxes etc it came to a whopping $1660.00 CDN.
I know it's not suitable for heating the house but I'd need an awfully big generator to do that. May think about a stove insert for our fireplace. Then I'd only need minimal power from the generator to run the small fans that help circulate heat. I opted out of the EG2800 because with the 2.5? Imp gallons of gas aboard, that thing would weigh about 100 lbs. A bit much to take camping.
My 2000i with it's .95? Imp gallons can be carried with one hand...as long as it's not too far.