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On 2/2/18 6:55 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/2/2018 6:29 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/2/18 5:29 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/2/2018 1:40 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/2/18 1:13 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Trying to take in what the memo (that has now been released) means. Seems that the FISA court was not informed of the fact that Clinton/DNC paid Steele for the Trump dossier.* Also, Steele acknowledged to FBI that he (Steele) was "desperate" that Trump never be elected POTUS.* This information was also not given to the FISA court in the request to conduct surveillance. I'd love to see the Democrat's version.* It should also be released. Page was under FISA court surveillance long before ******** Trump entered the nominating race. The surveillance was continued, and for good reason, since for some years he has been a person of interest in playing games with the Russians. The "dossier" was initiated by Republicans who did not want Trump as the nominee. I'm surprised you take anything from Nunez at face value. He's Trump's boy and has been caught more than once playing games with his committee. Oh, I'm around. But busy. I know and understand that Page was being watched going back to 2013. Has absolutely nothing to do with any activities with Trump.* A FISA court order has to be reissued every 90 days and for reasons acceptable to the court.** This is where there may have been some mistakes made. Yes, originally the Republicans paid for the opposition research but when they stopped Hillary and Co. picked it up paid for through a law office and that is when Steele was hired to dig up what dirt he could. Furthermore, when the DNC stopped paying for it Steele went directly to the FBI with his "dirt".** None of this information was ever provided to the FISA court.** That could be a major problem. I'd still like to see the Dem's version before making any conclusions. There's no evidence any serious errors were made in the FISA court warrants regarding Carter Page. The Republicans tried to make a lot of the memo in order to try to help Trump, but there was nothing of substance in it. Damn, but there are a lot of people in Trump's orbit who are or were dealing with the Russians, eh? Have you noticed that Trump keeps firing or forcing out or trying to force out every senior official who is involved in prosecuting him? It's like the Nixon Saturday Night Massacre, but spread out over time. If he were as innocent as the driven snow, he'd be acting that way. I have no clue what the truth is.* There's no question that Trump has a combative personality, probably a result of his background in business and dealing with builders, permit issues, etc.** But the left has been gunning for him ever since he won the GOP nomination and their efforts intensified when he shocked them (and just about everyone else) when he won the election.* Think about it.* The objective of the Dems has constantly changed, from demanding the election was not legitimate, to threats of impeachment and to claims of criminal activities. They spend more time trying to find dirt on Trump than they do paying attention to their jobs. Trump is not the type to ignore or roll over and play dead.* He fights back and he fights back hard.* Surprisingly, he wins more often than not. Maybe if everyone just dropped their guns, accepted the Constitutional process of elections and got on with the nation's business things would cool down.* Both parties should start focusing on the mid terms and the general in 2020, the way our democracy is supposed to work. We obviously have different ideas of the danger Trump and Company present to this country and the world. I find Trump's personality as a POTUS disgusting, but it is what he has done and continues to do that is appalling. He's running a criminal organization. |
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On 2/2/2018 8:30 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/2/18 6:55 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/2/2018 6:29 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/2/18 5:29 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/2/2018 1:40 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/2/18 1:13 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: Trying to take in what the memo (that has now been released) means. Seems that the FISA court was not informed of the fact that Clinton/DNC paid Steele for the Trump dossier.* Also, Steele acknowledged to FBI that he (Steele) was "desperate" that Trump never be elected POTUS.* This information was also not given to the FISA court in the request to conduct surveillance. I'd love to see the Democrat's version.* It should also be released. Page was under FISA court surveillance long before ******** Trump entered the nominating race. The surveillance was continued, and for good reason, since for some years he has been a person of interest in playing games with the Russians. The "dossier" was initiated by Republicans who did not want Trump as the nominee. I'm surprised you take anything from Nunez at face value. He's Trump's boy and has been caught more than once playing games with his committee. Oh, I'm around. But busy. I know and understand that Page was being watched going back to 2013. Has absolutely nothing to do with any activities with Trump. A FISA court order has to be reissued every 90 days and for reasons acceptable to the court.** This is where there may have been some mistakes made. Yes, originally the Republicans paid for the opposition research but when they stopped Hillary and Co. picked it up paid for through a law office and that is when Steele was hired to dig up what dirt he could. Furthermore, when the DNC stopped paying for it Steele went directly to the FBI with his "dirt".** None of this information was ever provided to the FISA court.** That could be a major problem. I'd still like to see the Dem's version before making any conclusions. There's no evidence any serious errors were made in the FISA court warrants regarding Carter Page. The Republicans tried to make a lot of the memo in order to try to help Trump, but there was nothing of substance in it. Damn, but there are a lot of people in Trump's orbit who are or were dealing with the Russians, eh? Have you noticed that Trump keeps firing or forcing out or trying to force out every senior official who is involved in prosecuting him? It's like the Nixon Saturday Night Massacre, but spread out over time. If he were as innocent as the driven snow, he'd be acting that way. I have no clue what the truth is.* There's no question that Trump has a combative personality, probably a result of his background in business and dealing with builders, permit issues, etc.** But the left has been gunning for him ever since he won the GOP nomination and their efforts intensified when he shocked them (and just about everyone else) when he won the election.* Think about it.* The objective of the Dems has constantly changed, from demanding the election was not legitimate, to threats of impeachment and to claims of criminal activities. They spend more time trying to find dirt on Trump than they do paying attention to their jobs. Trump is not the type to ignore or roll over and play dead.* He fights back and he fights back hard.* Surprisingly, he wins more often than not. Maybe if everyone just dropped their guns, accepted the Constitutional process of elections and got on with the nation's business things would cool down.* Both parties should start focusing on the mid terms and the general in 2020, the way our democracy is supposed to work. We obviously have different ideas of the danger Trump and Company present to this country and the world. I find Trump's personality as a POTUS disgusting, but it is what he has done and continues to do that is appalling. He's running a criminal organization. BTW ... I learned something. Never knew what "circular reporting" was all about. It appears that when the FBI sought a FISA warrant to spy on Trump, they used two sources as justification. Source one was Steele, the British ex-spy being paid for by the Hillary/DNC camp. The other source was Michael Isikoff, a writer for Yahoo News. Isikoff's information came from .... you guessed it ... Steele. Round and round we go, two "sources" made out of one. But, absent in their FISA warrant request (which was initially turned down) was minor details like: 1. Who was paying for Steele's "research". (Answer: Hillary campaign) 2. The fact that Steele's info was "not verified". 3. The fact that the origins of the info (the famous dossier) actually came from one source ... not two. 3. The fact that Steele confessed to the Justice Department that he was “passionate” about stopping Trump from winning. If proven, these are criminal offenses. The applications for a FISA warrant are done under oath and it's a criminal offense to hold back information or deceive a FISA court in the request of a FISA warrant. Oh .. something else. Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein brought Robert Mueller to the White House to discuss having Mueller take over as head of the FBI again after Comey was canned. Trump decided he wanted someone else instead. Little while later Rosenstein appoints Mueller as a special prosecutor to look into "Russia, Russia, Russia". You can't make this stuff up. Someday it's going to make one hellava movie. |
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