Trying to take in what the memo (that has now been released) means.
Seems that the FISA court was not informed of the fact that Clinton/DNC
paid Steele for the Trump dossier. Also, Steele acknowledged to FBI
that he (Steele) was "desperate" that Trump never
be elected POTUS. This information was also not given to the FISA court
in the request to conduct surveillance.

I'd love to see the Democrat's version. It should also be released.

On Fri, 2 Feb 2018 13:13:20 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Trying to take in what the memo (that has now been released) means.
Seems that the FISA court was not informed of the fact that Clinton/DNC
paid Steele for the Trump dossier. Also, Steele acknowledged to FBI
that he (Steele) was "desperate" that Trump never
be elected POTUS. This information was also not given to the FISA court
in the request to conduct surveillance.

I'd love to see the Democrat's version. It should also be released.

Really?
The democrats are just going to say Trump is the worst president ever,
we are all doomed, russia russia russia.

On 2/2/18 1:13 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Trying to take in what the memo (that has now been released) means.
Seems that the FISA court was not informed of the fact that Clinton/DNC
paid Steele for the Trump dossier.Â* Also, Steele acknowledged to FBI
that he (Steele) was "desperate" that Trump never
be elected POTUS.Â* This information was also not given to the FISA court
in the request to conduct surveillance.

I'd love to see the Democrat's version.Â* It should also be released.



Page was under FISA court surveillance long before ******** Trump
entered the nominating race. The surveillance was continued, and for
good reason, since for some years he has been a person of interest in
playing games with the Russians.

The "dossier" was initiated by Republicans who did not want Trump as the
nominee.

I'm surprised you take anything from Nunez at face value. He's Trump's
boy and has been caught more than once playing games with his committee.

Oh, I'm around. But busy.

"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:

Trying to take in what the memo (that has now been released) means.
Seems that the FISA court was not informed of the fact that Clinton/DNC
paid Steele for the Trump dossier. Also, Steele acknowledged to FBI
that he (Steele) was "desperate" that Trump never
be elected POTUS. This information was also not given to the FISA court
in the request to conduct surveillance.

I'd love to see the Democrat's version. It should also be released.



Where's the damage to national security? Where's the jeopardy to
sources and methods? There seems to be colusion between the F B I
and democrats to obtain FISA warrents. Trump was right all along.
This whole mess stinks.
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Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 2/2/18 1:13 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Trying to take in what the memo (that has now been released) means.
Seems that the FISA court was not informed of the fact that Clinton/DNC
paid Steele for the Trump dossier. Also, Steele acknowledged to FBI
that he (Steele) was "desperate" that Trump never
be elected POTUS. This information was also not given to the FISA court
in the request to conduct surveillance.

I'd love to see the Democrat's version. It should also be released.



Page was under FISA court surveillance long before ******** Trump
entered the nominating race. The surveillance was continued, and for
good reason, since for some years he has been a person of interest in
playing games with the Russians.

The "dossier" was initiated by Republicans who did not want Trump as the
nominee.

I'm surprised you take anything from Nunez at face value. He's Trump's
boy and has been caught more than once playing games with his committee.

Oh, I'm around. But busy.


Good for you, but you haven't been paying attention to what is
happening. Maybe we can use Muillers group to investigate Hillery
and her dirty party. Lets investigate our own problems and put
Russia on the back burner.
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On 2/2/2018 1:40 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/2/18 1:13 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Trying to take in what the memo (that has now been released) means.
Seems that the FISA court was not informed of the fact that
Clinton/DNC paid Steele for the Trump dossier.Â* Also, Steele
acknowledged to FBI that he (Steele) was "desperate" that Trump never
be elected POTUS.Â* This information was also not given to the FISA
court in the request to conduct surveillance.

I'd love to see the Democrat's version.Â* It should also be released.



Page was under FISA court surveillance long before ******** Trump
entered the nominating race. The surveillance was continued, and for
good reason, since for some years he has been a person of interest in
playing games with the Russians.

The "dossier" was initiated by Republicans who did not want Trump as the
nominee.

I'm surprised you take anything from Nunez at face value. He's Trump's
boy and has been caught more than once playing games with his committee.

Oh, I'm around. But busy.


I know and understand that Page was being watched going back to 2013.
Has absolutely nothing to do with any activities with Trump. A FISA
court order has to be reissued every 90 days and for reasons acceptable
to the court. This is where there may have been some mistakes made.

Yes, originally the Republicans paid for the opposition research but
when they stopped Hillary and Co. picked it up paid for through a law
office and that is when Steele was hired to dig up what dirt he could.
Furthermore, when the DNC stopped paying for it Steele went directly to
the FBI with his "dirt". None of this information was ever provided to
the FISA court. That could be a major problem.

I'd still like to see the Dem's version before making any conclusions.

On 2/2/18 5:29 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/2/2018 1:40 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/2/18 1:13 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Trying to take in what the memo (that has now been released) means.
Seems that the FISA court was not informed of the fact that
Clinton/DNC paid Steele for the Trump dossier.Â* Also, Steele
acknowledged to FBI that he (Steele) was "desperate" that Trump never
be elected POTUS.Â* This information was also not given to the FISA
court in the request to conduct surveillance.

I'd love to see the Democrat's version.Â* It should also be released.



Page was under FISA court surveillance long before ******** Trump
entered the nominating race. The surveillance was continued, and for
good reason, since for some years he has been a person of interest in
playing games with the Russians.

The "dossier" was initiated by Republicans who did not want Trump as
the nominee.

I'm surprised you take anything from Nunez at face value. He's Trump's
boy and has been caught more than once playing games with his committee.

Oh, I'm around. But busy.


I know and understand that Page was being watched going back to 2013.
Has absolutely nothing to do with any activities with Trump.Â* A FISA
court order has to be reissued every 90 days and for reasons acceptable
to the court.Â*Â* This is where there may have been some mistakes made.

Yes, originally the Republicans paid for the opposition research but
when they stopped Hillary and Co. picked it up paid for through a law
office and that is when Steele was hired to dig up what dirt he could.
Furthermore, when the DNC stopped paying for it Steele went directly to
the FBI with his "dirt".Â*Â* None of this information was ever provided to
the FISA court.Â*Â* That could be a major problem.

I'd still like to see the Dem's version before making any conclusions.





There's no evidence any serious errors were made in the FISA court
warrants regarding Carter Page. The Republicans tried to make a lot of
the memo in order to try to help Trump, but there was nothing of
substance in it. Damn, but there are a lot of people in Trump's orbit
who are or were dealing with the Russians, eh?

Have you noticed that Trump keeps firing or forcing out or trying to
force out every senior official who is involved in prosecuting him? It's
like the Nixon Saturday Night Massacre, but spread out over time. If he
were as innocent as the driven snow, he'd be acting that way.

On 2/2/2018 6:29 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/2/18 5:29 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/2/2018 1:40 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/2/18 1:13 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Trying to take in what the memo (that has now been released) means.
Seems that the FISA court was not informed of the fact that
Clinton/DNC paid Steele for the Trump dossier.Â* Also, Steele
acknowledged to FBI that he (Steele) was "desperate" that Trump never
be elected POTUS.Â* This information was also not given to the FISA
court in the request to conduct surveillance.

I'd love to see the Democrat's version.Â* It should also be released.



Page was under FISA court surveillance long before ******** Trump
entered the nominating race. The surveillance was continued, and for
good reason, since for some years he has been a person of interest in
playing games with the Russians.

The "dossier" was initiated by Republicans who did not want Trump as
the nominee.

I'm surprised you take anything from Nunez at face value. He's
Trump's boy and has been caught more than once playing games with his
committee.

Oh, I'm around. But busy.


I know and understand that Page was being watched going back to 2013.
Has absolutely nothing to do with any activities with Trump.Â* A FISA
court order has to be reissued every 90 days and for reasons
acceptable to the court.Â*Â* This is where there may have been some
mistakes made.

Yes, originally the Republicans paid for the opposition research but
when they stopped Hillary and Co. picked it up paid for through a law
office and that is when Steele was hired to dig up what dirt he could.
Furthermore, when the DNC stopped paying for it Steele went directly
to the FBI with his "dirt".Â*Â* None of this information was ever
provided to the FISA court.Â*Â* That could be a major problem.

I'd still like to see the Dem's version before making any conclusions.





There's no evidence any serious errors were made in the FISA court
warrants regarding Carter Page. The Republicans tried to make a lot of
the memo in order to try to help Trump, but there was nothing of
substance in it. Damn, but there are a lot of people in Trump's orbit
who are or were dealing with the Russians, eh?

Have you noticed that Trump keeps firing or forcing out or trying to
force out every senior official who is involved in prosecuting him? It's
like the Nixon Saturday Night Massacre, but spread out over time. If he
were as innocent as the driven snow, he'd be acting that way.

I have no clue what the truth is. There's no question that Trump has a
combative personality, probably a result of his background in business
and dealing with builders, permit issues, etc. But the left has been
gunning for him ever since he won the GOP nomination and their efforts
intensified when he shocked them (and just about everyone else) when he
won the election. Think about it. The objective of the Dems has
constantly changed, from demanding the election was not legitimate, to
threats of impeachment and to claims of criminal activities. They spend
more time trying to find dirt on Trump than they do paying attention to
their jobs.

Trump is not the type to ignore or roll over and play dead. He fights
back and he fights back hard. Surprisingly, he wins more often than not.

Maybe if everyone just dropped their guns, accepted the Constitutional
process of elections and got on with the nation's business things would
cool down. Both parties should start focusing on the mid terms and the
general in 2020, the way our democracy is supposed to work.

In article ,
says...


I have no clue what the truth is. There's no question that Trump has a
combative personality, probably a result of his background in business
and dealing with builders, permit issues, etc. But the left has been
gunning for him ever since he won the GOP nomination and their efforts
intensified when he shocked them (and just about everyone else) when he
won the election. Think about it. The objective of the Dems has
constantly changed, from demanding the election was not legitimate, to
threats of impeachment and to claims of criminal activities. They spend
more time trying to find dirt on Trump than they do paying attention to
their jobs.


Why the hell are you calling Comey, Wray, Rosenstein, et al
Dems? Are you nuts?

Trump is not the type to ignore or roll over and play dead. He fights
back and he fights back hard. Surprisingly, he wins more often than not.


He's doing what mobsters do well - digging a hole for
himself.

Maybe if everyone just dropped their guns, accepted the Constitutional
process of elections and got on with the nation's business things would
cool down.

Are you saying the Justice Department is unconstitutional?

Both parties should start focusing on the mid terms and the
general in 2020, the way our democracy is supposed to work.

It's apparent you don't know how our democracy works.
Given his obstruction of justice, his debasement of our
institutions of justice, and his many other offenses, I
support his impeachment should the Dems take the House this
year. And I have become a straight ticket Democrat.
Surprise!

On 2/2/2018 7:30 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...


I have no clue what the truth is. There's no question that Trump has a
combative personality, probably a result of his background in business
and dealing with builders, permit issues, etc. But the left has been
gunning for him ever since he won the GOP nomination and their efforts
intensified when he shocked them (and just about everyone else) when he
won the election. Think about it. The objective of the Dems has
constantly changed, from demanding the election was not legitimate, to
threats of impeachment and to claims of criminal activities. They spend
more time trying to find dirt on Trump than they do paying attention to
their jobs.


Why the hell are you calling Comey, Wray, Rosenstein, et al
Dems? Are you nuts?

Trump is not the type to ignore or roll over and play dead. He fights
back and he fights back hard. Surprisingly, he wins more often than not.


He's doing what mobsters do well - digging a hole for
himself.

Maybe if everyone just dropped their guns, accepted the Constitutional
process of elections and got on with the nation's business things would
cool down.

Are you saying the Justice Department is unconstitutional?

Both parties should start focusing on the mid terms and the
general in 2020, the way our democracy is supposed to work.

It's apparent you don't know how our democracy works.
Given his obstruction of justice, his debasement of our
institutions of justice, and his many other offenses, I
support his impeachment should the Dems take the House this
year. And I have become a straight ticket Democrat.
Surprise!



That's no surprise.

BTW, I was not referring to Comey, the FBI or the Justice Department.
I was referring to members of your adopted political party.

Have to admit though that Comey's actions in the past are more than a
bit confusing. In addition to some strange conclusions regarding
Hillary's actions, he has also acknowledged under oath that the dossier
produced by Steel was "unsubstantiated", yet it was still used as
justification for a FISA warrant. How do you explain that?