Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/15/18 11:01 AM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/15/18 8:30 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

On 2/14/18 8:48 PM, Bill wrote:

On 2/14/18 6:13 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

The hatred and division of adults are obviously affecting the
younger people. Horrible event in Florida.

Maybe is proof mental health professionals suck.


I think the problems we have here in the USA is cultural and is
multi-faceted. They include:

Dependence on social media for interaction with others. Social media
removes real human interaction and creates an artificial world with
little emotional feedback. Hell, the expression of normal body
language
has been replaced by "emoticons".

Too many or too strict privacy laws. HIPAA laws should be revised to
allow medical and mental health professionals to alert law enforcement
of suspected threats by those with aggressive tendencies or who
represent a danger to to society.

Parental responsibility for teaching and disciplining of kids has
increasingly been shifted to their teachers and schools. Schools are
for academic learning, not for raising kids. Now-a-days parents don't
always support the school systems or rules. They sue them if they
think little Johnny has been mistreated.

Far too much of an "entitlement" philosophy today. A feeling of
unfulfilled entitlement leads to frustration, and confusion. We need
to re-enforce the concept of self responsibility and accountability.
Need to reign in some of the liberal preaching in schools.

Too easy to acquire assault type rifles. Most states have a legal age
for "long guns" of 18 years but 21 years for handguns. Most of these
mass shootings are done with assault type rifles.

But, of course, the immediate reaction by the DC crowd focuses only on
gun control.



Society is similar among many Western-style countries...and yet only
one
country has the numbers of and sorts of mass shootings under discussion
here.

Which country is that, and what is different about it?


We are the only ones massively drugging our kids?


Maybe it is because we are the only western country in which there is
such easy access to guns. Ever consider that?


Unrelated.

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/15/2018 1:30 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Thursday, February 15, 2018 at 12:38:55 PM UTC-5,
wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 07:54:04 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:



Because mental health services are not available to youngsters most in
need? You certainly have all the simple-minded nonsense down pat.

Actually Cruz was "in treatment" but Hippa laws prevent us really
hearing any details and he did not seem to be on the local police
radar, although the FBI knew about him from 2 threat reports. I guess
they were too busy investigating trump to spend any time alerting
local authorities. It was still not enough to flag him in the
background check system. So much for those background checks you think
will solve all of our problems.

The FBI also should have known him from the youtube comment where he
used his own name.



What gets me is that if a parent takes their kid to the doctor with a
bruise and the doc has any suspicion at all that the parent may be
responsible for the bruise, the Department of Social Services may be
contacted and authorized to take custody of the kid until an
investigation is done.

If a dog owner leaves a dog locked in a hot car during the summer the
dog can be taken for safe keeping and the owner charged with animal
cruelty.

But if a person demonstrates a violent personality with the potential
to cause harm to someone to a shrink or therapist, the shrink or
therapist can't say anything. They just prescribe some
anti-depressants and schedule another session for next week.




Well said.

On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 17:06:48 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/15/18 4:41 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:56:28 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:


Seems there are some problems even in the FBI.Â* Why wasn't he
questioned?Â* Why didn't they do something?

An FBI spokesperson said the bureau was not able to identity the person
who left that post on the blog. Hard to question an individual you
cannot identify, eh?

Since he was posting with his real name*(according to CNN), why was
that so hard for them? These are the guys who say they can trace the
DNC hack back to a particular building in Russia from crumbs so
ambiguous that it strains credibility but they can't find a guy,
registered, using his own name in a blog? Really? I guess throwing a
little dirt on Trump is more important than 17 dead kids.
I am beginning to think the FBI has become the Keystone cops.


I reported what the FBI said. I don't know the circumstances. Neither do
you.
I know what Google knows when you log into one of their sites.
I had tracking software on my machine that displays a map of the
cookies they sniff and where that takes them. Any google site created
a web that would make a spider proud.
You need to be registered and logged in to post a comment on You Tube.
If the FBI wanted to know more about this guy all they had to do was
serve Google with a warrant (or maybe just ask) and they might have
actually got a google map to his house.

Facebook is not nearly as intrusive as Google and when I signed my dog
up to Facebook, no reference to me at all, they suggested "friends" I
have not talked to since high school. It was really scary. The only
thing that makes sense to me is they hacked my AOL address book, even
though I used a different Email address. (one I created for Ed and was
never used before)
BTW you were on the list.

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/15/18 4:47 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 08:23:52 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

There is even easier access to kitchen knives, hammers and cars, but
it is far more rare that a troubled person uses one of those to kill
someone.

There must be something other than easy access to drive them to use
a gun, eh?

Efficiency. The same reason Harry has had an assault rifle of some
sort for as long as I can remember.
Knives and clubs still kill about 2200 a year vs a few hundred for
rifles.


I engage in the wholesale slaughter of empty beer and soda cans,
plastic soda bottles, and paper targets. No kids or crazed right-wing
rec.boaters are going to get their hands on my rifles unless they blow
up or carry out my 800-pound safe that is through-bolted to concrete.


Unless it's a tiny safe, you don't own a safe. Mine is just over 1500lbs.

On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 17:20:11 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/15/18 5:12 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:27:49 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

On Thursday, February 15, 2018 at 12:52:22 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/15/18 12:50 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:06:14 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I was just reading about the YouTube blogger who reported the post made
by Cruz back in 2017 about "going to be a professional school shooter"
to the FBI. The blogger said the local office of the FBI immediately
met with him, took the screen capture of Cruz's post and that's the last
he ever heard about it. Until yesterday.

Seems there are some problems even in the FBI. Why wasn't he
questioned? Why didn't they do something?

Maybe if he had tweeted about Putin, Trump and a Russian hooker, they
would have been paying more attention.


Maybe if you two paid attention, you might have known the FBI said there
wasn't any info connected to the blog post that would have allowed the
agency to trace the "professional school shooter."

He posted using his name. There was info.

Maybe it is time we start holding these big media companies
responsible for the activities of their users, whether it is people
making threats or russian troll farms. They are the ones with the IP
addresses of the poster and generally at least one real Email, the one
they use to verify the registration. If these comments were really on
You tube (Google) they know a whole lot about you. Why wasn't this
asked for and shared with the FBI?
I would not be surprised if Google has this guy's physical address,
browsing habits, purchases he has made and a profile of his friends.



The FBI says the blogger in question was a person living in Mississippi
who had no connection to the shooter, and spelled his first name
differently. The last name, Cruz, is a very common one among the Latino
communities.

If he told them about the post, they should have started there and
escalated through Google. How many times are we going to give the
social media company a pass when these guys announce what they are
going to do and nobody looks into it?
If you ask Google about anything that flows through one of their
servers, they have lots of data about it, more than they even want to
admit. At the very least they would have the IP address he posted from
and all the information he used to register, along with every other
thing they sniffed from that information. It would certainly get you
to the East coast of Florida, even if he was at an internet cafe. If
he was at home, you could just drive over there using directions from
google maps. That is particularly true if he posted from a phone.
As for what they know, I don't remember the add on I had on my Firefox
but it gave you a web that is created from snooping by web sites you
visit. I finally took it off because it was slowing my machine down
drawing all these links.

On 2/15/18 8:32 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 17:06:48 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/15/18 4:41 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:56:28 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:


Seems there are some problems even in the FBI.Â* Why wasn't he
questioned?Â* Why didn't they do something?

An FBI spokesperson said the bureau was not able to identity the person
who left that post on the blog. Hard to question an individual you
cannot identify, eh?

Since he was posting with his real name*(according to CNN), why was
that so hard for them? These are the guys who say they can trace the
DNC hack back to a particular building in Russia from crumbs so
ambiguous that it strains credibility but they can't find a guy,
registered, using his own name in a blog? Really? I guess throwing a
little dirt on Trump is more important than 17 dead kids.
I am beginning to think the FBI has become the Keystone cops.


I reported what the FBI said. I don't know the circumstances. Neither do
you.
I know what Google knows when you log into one of their sites.
I had tracking software on my machine that displays a map of the
cookies they sniff and where that takes them. Any google site created
a web that would make a spider proud.
You need to be registered and logged in to post a comment on You Tube.
If the FBI wanted to know more about this guy all they had to do was
serve Google with a warrant (or maybe just ask) and they might have
actually got a google map to his house.

Facebook is not nearly as intrusive as Google and when I signed my dog
up to Facebook, no reference to me at all, they suggested "friends" I
have not talked to since high school. It was really scary. The only
thing that makes sense to me is they hacked my AOL address book, even
though I used a different Email address. (one I created for Ed and was
never used before)
BTW you were on the list.


Yawn. I reported what the FBI said. I don't know the circumstances.
Neither do you.

Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 2/14/18 6:04 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/14/18 5:28 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/14/2018 5:25 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/14/18 5:00 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

The hatred and division of adults are obviously affecting the younger
people. Horrible event in Florida.


Did Trump tweet his "thoughts and prayers" yet?

https://www.thoughtsandprayersthegame.com/


**** you asshole.


Oh...don't you think "thoughts and prayers" are enough? Should we be
doing something else? What do you think we should do?




Maybe ban all the RAP and movies glorifying the use of terror in everyday
living?


The same music and movies are available in all modern democracies around
the world, yet this is the country that has had 18 school shootings this
year. It's not the music and movies.


What's your lady friends best guess as to the reason all these
crazy people are not stopped before they commit these mass
murders.
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On 2/15/18 8:33 PM, Alex wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/15/18 4:47 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 08:23:52 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

There is even easier access to kitchen knives, hammers and cars, but
it is far more rare that a troubled person uses one of those to kill
someone.

There must be something other than easy access to drive them to use
a gun, eh?

Efficiency. The same reason Harry has had an assault rifle of some
sort for as long as I can remember.
Knives and clubs still kill about 2200 a year vs a few hundred for
rifles.


I engage in the wholesale slaughter of empty beer and soda cans,
plastic soda bottles, and paper targets. No kids or crazed right-wing
rec.boaters are going to get their hands on my rifles unless they blow
up or carry out my 800-pound safe that is through-bolted to concrete.


Unless it's a tiny safe, you don't own a safe.Â* Mine is just over 1500lbs.

You are *the* ignorant asshole on rec.boats, Alex. I have a Liberty
Safe, a decent brand. It measures 66.5" x 36" x 32", and adequately
stores my small collection of firearms, and much more. I was wrong about
the weight...it weighs 900+ pounds. It is a real safe.

Go pound sand.

On 2/15/18 8:44 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 17:20:11 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/15/18 5:12 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:27:49 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

On Thursday, February 15, 2018 at 12:52:22 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/15/18 12:50 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:06:14 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I was just reading about the YouTube blogger who reported the post made
by Cruz back in 2017 about "going to be a professional school shooter"
to the FBI. The blogger said the local office of the FBI immediately
met with him, took the screen capture of Cruz's post and that's the last
he ever heard about it. Until yesterday.

Seems there are some problems even in the FBI. Why wasn't he
questioned? Why didn't they do something?

Maybe if he had tweeted about Putin, Trump and a Russian hooker, they
would have been paying more attention.


Maybe if you two paid attention, you might have known the FBI said there
wasn't any info connected to the blog post that would have allowed the
agency to trace the "professional school shooter."

He posted using his name. There was info.

Maybe it is time we start holding these big media companies
responsible for the activities of their users, whether it is people
making threats or russian troll farms. They are the ones with the IP
addresses of the poster and generally at least one real Email, the one
they use to verify the registration. If these comments were really on
You tube (Google) they know a whole lot about you. Why wasn't this
asked for and shared with the FBI?
I would not be surprised if Google has this guy's physical address,
browsing habits, purchases he has made and a profile of his friends.



The FBI says the blogger in question was a person living in Mississippi
who had no connection to the shooter, and spelled his first name
differently. The last name, Cruz, is a very common one among the Latino
communities.

If he told them about the post, they should have started there and
escalated through Google.


I forgot...you are the greatest living expert on everything.

On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 19:07:20 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

I think the FBI has explained the fact that the "Cruz" who added to the
blog in question was a different "Cruz" who lived in Mississippi.

The FBI's credibility on things like this is nil these days.
They have the shooter, he is talking and if it was him on the blog, it
will come out. The Broward County Sheriffs office is not obligated to
cover for the FBI.