Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 2/15/18 12:50 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:06:14 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I was just reading about the YouTube blogger who reported the post made
by Cruz back in 2017 about "going to be a professional school shooter"
to the FBI. The blogger said the local office of the FBI immediately
met with him, took the screen capture of Cruz's post and that's the last
he ever heard about it. Until yesterday.

Seems there are some problems even in the FBI. Why wasn't he
questioned? Why didn't they do something?

Maybe if he had tweeted about Putin, Trump and a Russian hooker, they
would have been paying more attention.


Maybe if you two paid attention, you might have known the FBI said there
wasn't any info connected to the blog post that would have allowed the
agency to trace the "professional school shooter."




I guess the fbi was thrown off track by the guy posting with his
real name.
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On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 20:33:47 -0500, Alex wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/15/18 4:47 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 08:23:52 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

There is even easier access to kitchen knives, hammers and cars, but
it is far more rare that a troubled person uses one of those to kill
someone.

There must be something other than easy access to drive them to use
a gun, eh?

Efficiency. The same reason Harry has had an assault rifle of some
sort for as long as I can remember.
Knives and clubs still kill about 2200 a year vs a few hundred for
rifles.


I engage in the wholesale slaughter of empty beer and soda cans,
plastic soda bottles, and paper targets. No kids or crazed right-wing
rec.boaters are going to get their hands on my rifles unless they blow
up or carry out my 800-pound safe that is through-bolted to concrete.


Unless it's a tiny safe, you don't own a safe. Mine is just over 1500lbs.

Harry is a high volume dealer but he never has a lot of inventory in
his floor plan. A small safe works for him.
BTW have you ever seen how long the typical "gun safe" holds up to a
determined thief with modern tools?
A diamond blade in a $20 Harbor Fright circular saw will slice through
the side or back of these things in a few minutes. A regular "metal"
cutting carbide blade will defeat most of them.
It is noisy and dusty but effective on just about anything but 1/4"
armor plate. Most are 16ga up to 12ga steel with some kind of cement
board or even fire code drywall between layers.

"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 2/15/2018 1:30 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Thursday, February 15, 2018 at 12:38:55 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 07:54:04 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:



Because mental health services are not available to youngsters most in
need? You certainly have all the simple-minded nonsense down pat.

Actually Cruz was "in treatment" but Hippa laws prevent us really
hearing any details and he did not seem to be on the local police
radar, although the FBI knew about him from 2 threat reports. I guess
they were too busy investigating trump to spend any time alerting
local authorities. It was still not enough to flag him in the
background check system. So much for those background checks you think
will solve all of our problems.

The FBI also should have known him from the youtube comment where he used his own name.



What gets me is that if a parent takes their kid to the doctor with a
bruise and the doc has any suspicion at all that the parent may be
responsible for the bruise, the Department of Social Services may be
contacted and authorized to take custody of the kid until an
investigation is done.

If a dog owner leaves a dog locked in a hot car during the summer the
dog can be taken for safe keeping and the owner charged with animal cruelty.

But if a person demonstrates a violent personality with the potential to
cause harm to someone to a shrink or therapist, the shrink or therapist
can't say anything. They just prescribe some anti-depressants and
schedule another session for next week.




It's all about the paycheck. They are not known for positively
affecting mental health
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On 2/15/2018 8:44 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 17:20:11 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/15/18 5:12 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:27:49 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

On Thursday, February 15, 2018 at 12:52:22 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/15/18 12:50 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:06:14 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I was just reading about the YouTube blogger who reported the post made
by Cruz back in 2017 about "going to be a professional school shooter"
to the FBI. The blogger said the local office of the FBI immediately
met with him, took the screen capture of Cruz's post and that's the last
he ever heard about it. Until yesterday.

Seems there are some problems even in the FBI. Why wasn't he
questioned? Why didn't they do something?

Maybe if he had tweeted about Putin, Trump and a Russian hooker, they
would have been paying more attention.


Maybe if you two paid attention, you might have known the FBI said there
wasn't any info connected to the blog post that would have allowed the
agency to trace the "professional school shooter."

He posted using his name. There was info.

Maybe it is time we start holding these big media companies
responsible for the activities of their users, whether it is people
making threats or russian troll farms. They are the ones with the IP
addresses of the poster and generally at least one real Email, the one
they use to verify the registration. If these comments were really on
You tube (Google) they know a whole lot about you. Why wasn't this
asked for and shared with the FBI?
I would not be surprised if Google has this guy's physical address,
browsing habits, purchases he has made and a profile of his friends.



The FBI says the blogger in question was a person living in Mississippi
who had no connection to the shooter, and spelled his first name
differently. The last name, Cruz, is a very common one among the Latino
communities.

If he told them about the post, they should have started there and
escalated through Google. How many times are we going to give the
social media company a pass when these guys announce what they are
going to do and nobody looks into it?
If you ask Google about anything that flows through one of their
servers, they have lots of data about it, more than they even want to
admit. At the very least they would have the IP address he posted from
and all the information he used to register, along with every other
thing they sniffed from that information. It would certainly get you
to the East coast of Florida, even if he was at an internet cafe. If
he was at home, you could just drive over there using directions from
google maps. That is particularly true if he posted from a phone.
As for what they know, I don't remember the add on I had on my Firefox
but it gave you a web that is created from snooping by web sites you
visit. I finally took it off because it was slowing my machine down
drawing all these links.



According to news reports Cruz left the school by running along with the
students as if he was escaping from the shooting. He then went to a
Walmart and bought a drink at a Safeway. From there he proceeded to a
McDonald's where a cop arrested him.

Question:

How did the cop know that Cruz was the shooter when he found him at
McDonalds?

Haven't heard any explanation of that.

On 2/15/2018 9:35 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 19:07:20 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

I think the FBI has explained the fact that the "Cruz" who added to the
blog in question was a different "Cruz" who lived in Mississippi.

The FBI's credibility on things like this is nil these days.
They have the shooter, he is talking and if it was him on the blog, it
will come out. The Broward County Sheriffs office is not obligated to
cover for the FBI.



Again, I am curious to know how the cop knew Cruz was the shooter when
he found him in McDonalds. Cruz escaped from the school by running with
the students as if he was also running from the shooting. Went to a
Walmart, bought a drink, and then went to a McDonalds where he was arrested.

The cop must have had some info as to who to look for.

On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 05:25:56 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/15/2018 8:44 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 17:20:11 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/15/18 5:12 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:27:49 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

On Thursday, February 15, 2018 at 12:52:22 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/15/18 12:50 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:06:14 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I was just reading about the YouTube blogger who reported the post made
by Cruz back in 2017 about "going to be a professional school shooter"
to the FBI. The blogger said the local office of the FBI immediately
met with him, took the screen capture of Cruz's post and that's the last
he ever heard about it. Until yesterday.

Seems there are some problems even in the FBI. Why wasn't he
questioned? Why didn't they do something?

Maybe if he had tweeted about Putin, Trump and a Russian hooker, they
would have been paying more attention.


Maybe if you two paid attention, you might have known the FBI said there
wasn't any info connected to the blog post that would have allowed the
agency to trace the "professional school shooter."

He posted using his name. There was info.

Maybe it is time we start holding these big media companies
responsible for the activities of their users, whether it is people
making threats or russian troll farms. They are the ones with the IP
addresses of the poster and generally at least one real Email, the one
they use to verify the registration. If these comments were really on
You tube (Google) they know a whole lot about you. Why wasn't this
asked for and shared with the FBI?
I would not be surprised if Google has this guy's physical address,
browsing habits, purchases he has made and a profile of his friends.



The FBI says the blogger in question was a person living in Mississippi
who had no connection to the shooter, and spelled his first name
differently. The last name, Cruz, is a very common one among the Latino
communities.

If he told them about the post, they should have started there and
escalated through Google. How many times are we going to give the
social media company a pass when these guys announce what they are
going to do and nobody looks into it?
If you ask Google about anything that flows through one of their
servers, they have lots of data about it, more than they even want to
admit. At the very least they would have the IP address he posted from
and all the information he used to register, along with every other
thing they sniffed from that information. It would certainly get you
to the East coast of Florida, even if he was at an internet cafe. If
he was at home, you could just drive over there using directions from
google maps. That is particularly true if he posted from a phone.
As for what they know, I don't remember the add on I had on my Firefox
but it gave you a web that is created from snooping by web sites you
visit. I finally took it off because it was slowing my machine down
drawing all these links.



According to news reports Cruz left the school by running along with the
students as if he was escaping from the shooting. He then went to a
Walmart and bought a drink at a Safeway. From there he proceeded to a
McDonald's where a cop arrested him.

Question:

How did the cop know that Cruz was the shooter when he found him at
McDonalds?

Haven't heard any explanation of that.

As he had been a student at the school, wouldn't other students have recognized him?

On 2/15/18 9:46 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 20:33:47 -0500, Alex wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/15/18 4:47 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 08:23:52 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

There is even easier access to kitchen knives, hammers and cars, but
it is far more rare that a troubled person uses one of those to kill
someone.

There must be something other than easy access to drive them to use
a gun, eh?

Efficiency. The same reason Harry has had an assault rifle of some
sort for as long as I can remember.
Knives and clubs still kill about 2200 a year vs a few hundred for
rifles.


I engage in the wholesale slaughter of empty beer and soda cans,
plastic soda bottles, and paper targets. No kids or crazed right-wing
rec.boaters are going to get their hands on my rifles unless they blow
up or carry out my 800-pound safe that is through-bolted to concrete.


Unless it's a tiny safe, you don't own a safe. Mine is just over 1500lbs.

Harry is a high volume dealer but he never has a lot of inventory in
his floor plan. A small safe works for him.
BTW have you ever seen how long the typical "gun safe" holds up to a
determined thief with modern tools?
A diamond blade in a $20 Harbor Fright circular saw will slice through
the side or back of these things in a few minutes. A regular "metal"
cutting carbide blade will defeat most of them.
It is noisy and dusty but effective on just about anything but 1/4"
armor plate. Most are 16ga up to 12ga steel with some kind of cement
board or even fire code drywall between layers.


Well, then, no reason to buy a safe, eh? Because in your world, nothing
can be done about anything. The safe I have uses 11-gauge steel,
whatever that is.

On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 21:39:57 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 2/15/18 12:50 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:06:14 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I was just reading about the YouTube blogger who reported the post made
by Cruz back in 2017 about "going to be a professional school shooter"
to the FBI. The blogger said the local office of the FBI immediately
met with him, took the screen capture of Cruz's post and that's the last
he ever heard about it. Until yesterday.

Seems there are some problems even in the FBI. Why wasn't he
questioned? Why didn't they do something?

Maybe if he had tweeted about Putin, Trump and a Russian hooker, they
would have been paying more attention.


Maybe if you two paid attention, you might have known the FBI said there
wasn't any info connected to the blog post that would have allowed the
agency to trace the "professional school shooter."




I guess the fbi was thrown off track by the guy posting with his
real name.

The FBI is really, really busy trying to prove Trump colluded with Puting to win the election.

Give 'em a break.

On 2/16/2018 8:05 AM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 05:25:56 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/15/2018 8:44 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 17:20:11 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/15/18 5:12 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:27:49 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

On Thursday, February 15, 2018 at 12:52:22 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/15/18 12:50 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:06:14 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I was just reading about the YouTube blogger who reported the post made
by Cruz back in 2017 about "going to be a professional school shooter"
to the FBI. The blogger said the local office of the FBI immediately
met with him, took the screen capture of Cruz's post and that's the last
he ever heard about it. Until yesterday.

Seems there are some problems even in the FBI. Why wasn't he
questioned? Why didn't they do something?

Maybe if he had tweeted about Putin, Trump and a Russian hooker, they
would have been paying more attention.


Maybe if you two paid attention, you might have known the FBI said there
wasn't any info connected to the blog post that would have allowed the
agency to trace the "professional school shooter."

He posted using his name. There was info.

Maybe it is time we start holding these big media companies
responsible for the activities of their users, whether it is people
making threats or russian troll farms. They are the ones with the IP
addresses of the poster and generally at least one real Email, the one
they use to verify the registration. If these comments were really on
You tube (Google) they know a whole lot about you. Why wasn't this
asked for and shared with the FBI?
I would not be surprised if Google has this guy's physical address,
browsing habits, purchases he has made and a profile of his friends.



The FBI says the blogger in question was a person living in Mississippi
who had no connection to the shooter, and spelled his first name
differently. The last name, Cruz, is a very common one among the Latino
communities.

If he told them about the post, they should have started there and
escalated through Google. How many times are we going to give the
social media company a pass when these guys announce what they are
going to do and nobody looks into it?
If you ask Google about anything that flows through one of their
servers, they have lots of data about it, more than they even want to
admit. At the very least they would have the IP address he posted from
and all the information he used to register, along with every other
thing they sniffed from that information. It would certainly get you
to the East coast of Florida, even if he was at an internet cafe. If
he was at home, you could just drive over there using directions from
google maps. That is particularly true if he posted from a phone.
As for what they know, I don't remember the add on I had on my Firefox
but it gave you a web that is created from snooping by web sites you
visit. I finally took it off because it was slowing my machine down
drawing all these links.



According to news reports Cruz left the school by running along with the
students as if he was escaping from the shooting. He then went to a
Walmart and bought a drink at a Safeway. From there he proceeded to a
McDonald's where a cop arrested him.

Question:

How did the cop know that Cruz was the shooter when he found him at
McDonalds?

Haven't heard any explanation of that.

As he had been a student at the school, wouldn't other students have recognized him?



Yeah, I realized after I posted the question that one or more students
involved could have identified him or given a description of him to law
enforcement.