On 2/16/2018 8:07 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 21:39:57 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 2/15/18 12:50 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:06:14 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I was just reading about the YouTube blogger who reported the post made
by Cruz back in 2017 about "going to be a professional school shooter"
to the FBI. The blogger said the local office of the FBI immediately
met with him, took the screen capture of Cruz's post and that's the last
he ever heard about it. Until yesterday.

Seems there are some problems even in the FBI. Why wasn't he
questioned? Why didn't they do something?

Maybe if he had tweeted about Putin, Trump and a Russian hooker, they
would have been paying more attention.


Maybe if you two paid attention, you might have known the FBI said there
wasn't any info connected to the blog post that would have allowed the
agency to trace the "professional school shooter."




I guess the fbi was thrown off track by the guy posting with his
real name.

The FBI is really, really busy trying to prove Trump colluded with Puting to win the election.

Give 'em a break.

You're right. It's all the gun's fault. There's no need to point fingers
at the shrinkers, FBI, law enforcement, justice system, or congress
critters.

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On 2/16/2018 8:06 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/15/18 9:46 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 20:33:47 -0500, Alex wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/15/18 4:47 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 08:23:52 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

There is even easier access to kitchen knives, hammers and cars, but
it is far more rare that a troubled person uses one of those to kill
someone.

There must be something other than easy access to drive them to use
a gun, eh?

Efficiency. The same reason Harry has had an assault rifle of some
sort for as long as I can remember.
Knives and clubs still kill about 2200 a year vs a few hundred for
rifles.


I engage in the wholesale slaughter of empty beer and soda cans,
plastic soda bottles, and paper targets. No kids or crazed right-wing
rec.boaters are going to get their hands on my rifles unless they blow
up or carry out my 800-pound safe that is through-bolted to concrete.


Unless it's a tiny safe, you don't own a safe.Â* Mine is just over
1500lbs.

Harry is a high volume dealer but he never has a lot of inventory in
his floor plan. A small safe works for him.
BTW have you ever seen how long the typical "gun safe" holds up to a
determined thief with modern tools?
A diamond blade in a $20 Harbor Fright circular saw will slice through
the side or back of these things in a few minutes. A regular "metal"
cutting carbide blade will defeat most of them.
It is noisy and dusty but effective on just about anything but 1/4"
armor plate. Most are 16ga up to 12ga steel with some kind of cement
board or even fire code drywall between layers.


Well, then, no reason to buy a safe, eh? Because in your world, nothing
can be done about anything. The safe I have uses 11-gauge steel,
whatever that is.

11 ga steel is just over 1 tenth of an inch thick. Not much thicker than
the steel in a file cabinet. Hope that makes you feel secure.

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On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 09:36:02 -0500, Justan Ohlphart wrote:

On 2/16/2018 8:07 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 21:39:57 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 2/15/18 12:50 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:06:14 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I was just reading about the YouTube blogger who reported the post made
by Cruz back in 2017 about "going to be a professional school shooter"
to the FBI. The blogger said the local office of the FBI immediately
met with him, took the screen capture of Cruz's post and that's the last
he ever heard about it. Until yesterday.

Seems there are some problems even in the FBI. Why wasn't he
questioned? Why didn't they do something?

Maybe if he had tweeted about Putin, Trump and a Russian hooker, they
would have been paying more attention.


Maybe if you two paid attention, you might have known the FBI said there
wasn't any info connected to the blog post that would have allowed the
agency to trace the "professional school shooter."




I guess the fbi was thrown off track by the guy posting with his
real name.

The FBI is really, really busy trying to prove Trump colluded with Puting to win the election.

Give 'em a break.

You're right. It's all the gun's fault. There's no need to point fingers
at the shrinkers, FBI, law enforcement, justice system, or congress
critters.

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Guns like Harry's should be outlawed. Guns like my mini-14 Ranch, with the wooden stock and same
capabilities, are OK.

On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 05:25:56 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/15/2018 8:44 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 17:20:11 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/15/18 5:12 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:27:49 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

On Thursday, February 15, 2018 at 12:52:22 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/15/18 12:50 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:06:14 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I was just reading about the YouTube blogger who reported the post made
by Cruz back in 2017 about "going to be a professional school shooter"
to the FBI. The blogger said the local office of the FBI immediately
met with him, took the screen capture of Cruz's post and that's the last
he ever heard about it. Until yesterday.

Seems there are some problems even in the FBI. Why wasn't he
questioned? Why didn't they do something?

Maybe if he had tweeted about Putin, Trump and a Russian hooker, they
would have been paying more attention.


Maybe if you two paid attention, you might have known the FBI said there
wasn't any info connected to the blog post that would have allowed the
agency to trace the "professional school shooter."

He posted using his name. There was info.

Maybe it is time we start holding these big media companies
responsible for the activities of their users, whether it is people
making threats or russian troll farms. They are the ones with the IP
addresses of the poster and generally at least one real Email, the one
they use to verify the registration. If these comments were really on
You tube (Google) they know a whole lot about you. Why wasn't this
asked for and shared with the FBI?
I would not be surprised if Google has this guy's physical address,
browsing habits, purchases he has made and a profile of his friends.



The FBI says the blogger in question was a person living in Mississippi
who had no connection to the shooter, and spelled his first name
differently. The last name, Cruz, is a very common one among the Latino
communities.

If he told them about the post, they should have started there and
escalated through Google. How many times are we going to give the
social media company a pass when these guys announce what they are
going to do and nobody looks into it?
If you ask Google about anything that flows through one of their
servers, they have lots of data about it, more than they even want to
admit. At the very least they would have the IP address he posted from
and all the information he used to register, along with every other
thing they sniffed from that information. It would certainly get you
to the East coast of Florida, even if he was at an internet cafe. If
he was at home, you could just drive over there using directions from
google maps. That is particularly true if he posted from a phone.
As for what they know, I don't remember the add on I had on my Firefox
but it gave you a web that is created from snooping by web sites you
visit. I finally took it off because it was slowing my machine down
drawing all these links.



According to news reports Cruz left the school by running along with the
students as if he was escaping from the shooting. He then went to a
Walmart and bought a drink at a Safeway. From there he proceeded to a
McDonald's where a cop arrested him.

Question:

How did the cop know that Cruz was the shooter when he found him at
McDonalds?

Haven't heard any explanation of that.

I heard the kids in the school fingered him and I think he was already
"known to the police". I am not sure if he was seen at the McDonalds
and reported tho.

On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 08:06:03 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/15/18 9:46 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 20:33:47 -0500, Alex wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/15/18 4:47 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 08:23:52 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

There is even easier access to kitchen knives, hammers and cars, but
it is far more rare that a troubled person uses one of those to kill
someone.

There must be something other than easy access to drive them to use
a gun, eh?

Efficiency. The same reason Harry has had an assault rifle of some
sort for as long as I can remember.
Knives and clubs still kill about 2200 a year vs a few hundred for
rifles.


I engage in the wholesale slaughter of empty beer and soda cans,
plastic soda bottles, and paper targets. No kids or crazed right-wing
rec.boaters are going to get their hands on my rifles unless they blow
up or carry out my 800-pound safe that is through-bolted to concrete.


Unless it's a tiny safe, you don't own a safe. Mine is just over 1500lbs.

Harry is a high volume dealer but he never has a lot of inventory in
his floor plan. A small safe works for him.
BTW have you ever seen how long the typical "gun safe" holds up to a
determined thief with modern tools?
A diamond blade in a $20 Harbor Fright circular saw will slice through
the side or back of these things in a few minutes. A regular "metal"
cutting carbide blade will defeat most of them.
It is noisy and dusty but effective on just about anything but 1/4"
armor plate. Most are 16ga up to 12ga steel with some kind of cement
board or even fire code drywall between layers.


Well, then, no reason to buy a safe, eh? Because in your world, nothing
can be done about anything. The safe I have uses 11-gauge steel,
whatever that is.

1/8" sheet metal.
A side grinder will go right through it although a metal blade in a
circular saw is faster and easier to control.
Safes are a good way to store your guns and keep them away from
curious hands (kids and sightseers). It also gives you fairly good
climate control but a thief who knows what he wants to steal is not
going to be deterred very long.
My buddy with all of the machine guns decided armoring a closet with
3/4" plywood and a layer of 18ga galvanized was as good as a safe and
a whole lot cheaper. He put in the best commercial roll up door in
there he could find. He figures that will stop anyone who has never
been to Home Depot.
I have a number of "safes", all fairly well hidden in compartments
that are not easy to detect. That is fairly easy to do when you are
building or remodeling. Just don't make it easy to figure out how
thick a wall is. (you can't see both sides without going around a few
corners)
My theory is if they can't find it, they can't steal it.
I also have a couple hide out guns in hidden compartments that are
easier to access but still requiring a trick, like a keypad. That
would be my go to thing if the Philistines were at the gate.
Fortunately I live in a place that is safe enough that I am not really
worried about it. In Maryland I had my 97 Winchester loaded under the
bed and a .45 in the night stand.

On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 09:49:40 -0500, Justan Ohlphart
wrote:


Well, then, no reason to buy a safe, eh? Because in your world, nothing
can be done about anything. The safe I have uses 11-gauge steel,
whatever that is.

11 ga steel is just over 1 tenth of an inch thick. Not much thicker than
the steel in a file cabinet. Hope that makes you feel secure.

Actually 11ga is .125" and really thick for a typical gun safe. File
cabinets are usually 18-20ga and cheap ones less than that.
The "security" Steelcase ones we had at IBM were 18ga. The regular
ones were 20ga as I recall (it may be 16/18). I have a regular one
back in the shop I keep my ammo in. I suppose I could check it.
The difference is just how fast the cut goes tho. If someone is
serious and brings a 14" cutoff saw, 1/4" steel is going down pretty
fast. It really just depends on how much they want your guns and if
they know they are there in the first place. Big safes, usually mean
lots of valuable guns.
Harry may be attracting unnecessary attention to his modest collection
;-)

On 2/16/18 1:09 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 09:49:40 -0500, Justan Ohlphart
wrote:


Well, then, no reason to buy a safe, eh? Because in your world, nothing
can be done about anything. The safe I have uses 11-gauge steel,
whatever that is.

11 ga steel is just over 1 tenth of an inch thick. Not much thicker than
the steel in a file cabinet. Hope that makes you feel secure.

Actually 11ga is .125" and really thick for a typical gun safe. File
cabinets are usually 18-20ga and cheap ones less than that.
The "security" Steelcase ones we had at IBM were 18ga. The regular
ones were 20ga as I recall (it may be 16/18). I have a regular one
back in the shop I keep my ammo in. I suppose I could check it.
The difference is just how fast the cut goes tho. If someone is
serious and brings a 14" cutoff saw, 1/4" steel is going down pretty
fast. It really just depends on how much they want your guns and if
they know they are there in the first place. Big safes, usually mean
lots of valuable guns.
Harry may be attracting unnecessary attention to his modest collection
;-)


I no longer own firearms other than those available at normal retail,
and none of them would much interest the mass shooters that seem extant
these days...

On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 10:34:53 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Guns like Harry's should be outlawed. Guns like my mini-14 Ranch, with the wooden stock and same
capabilities, are OK.

Maryland has some strange laws. My M1A is banned but a Polytech M-14
does not make the list nor does an HBAR AR-15. They say it is because
the HBAR is a "target" rifle. Well what in the hell is an M1A then?
This is even the "ban" model without some of the military features
that seem to make California law makers nervous. When exactly was the
last time we had a mass killing with a bayonet charge anyway?

On 2/16/18 1:22 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 10:34:53 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Guns like Harry's should be outlawed. Guns like my mini-14 Ranch, with the wooden stock and same
capabilities, are OK.

Maryland has some strange laws. My M1A is banned but a Polytech M-14
does not make the list nor does an HBAR AR-15. They say it is because
the HBAR is a "target" rifle. Well what in the hell is an M1A then?
This is even the "ban" model without some of the military features
that seem to make California law makers nervous. When exactly was the
last time we had a mass killing with a bayonet charge anyway?


The last time I was in a big-time Maryland gun shop, there was a large
selection of .308 ARs (AR 10) for sale,"perfectly legal" in this state,
I was told. No interest to me...ammo too expensive, rifle too heavy, no
convenient place to shoot it.

On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 13:18:32 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 2/16/18 1:09 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 09:49:40 -0500, Justan Ohlphart
wrote:


Well, then, no reason to buy a safe, eh? Because in your world, nothing
can be done about anything. The safe I have uses 11-gauge steel,
whatever that is.

11 ga steel is just over 1 tenth of an inch thick. Not much thicker than
the steel in a file cabinet. Hope that makes you feel secure.

Actually 11ga is .125" and really thick for a typical gun safe. File
cabinets are usually 18-20ga and cheap ones less than that.
The "security" Steelcase ones we had at IBM were 18ga. The regular
ones were 20ga as I recall (it may be 16/18). I have a regular one
back in the shop I keep my ammo in. I suppose I could check it.
The difference is just how fast the cut goes tho. If someone is
serious and brings a 14" cutoff saw, 1/4" steel is going down pretty
fast. It really just depends on how much they want your guns and if
they know they are there in the first place. Big safes, usually mean
lots of valuable guns.
Harry may be attracting unnecessary attention to his modest collection
;-)


I no longer own firearms other than those available at normal retail,
and none of them would much interest the mass shooters that seem extant
these days...

What rifles used by the shooters are not available? Bull****!