Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/15/18 11:01 AM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/15/18 8:30 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

On 2/14/18 8:48 PM, Bill wrote:

On 2/14/18 6:13 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

The hatred and division of adults are obviously affecting the
younger people.Â* Horrible event in Florida.

Maybe is proof mental health professionals suck.


I think the problems we have here in the USA is cultural and is
multi-faceted.Â* They include:

Dependence on social media for interaction with others.Â* Social media
removes real human interaction and creates an artificial world with
little emotional feedback.Â* Hell, the expression of normal body language
has been replaced by "emoticons".

Too many or too strict privacy laws.Â* HIPAA laws should be revised to
allow medical and mental health professionals to alert law enforcement
of suspected threats by those with aggressive tendencies or who
represent a danger to to society.

Parental responsibility for teaching and disciplining of kids has
increasingly been shifted to their teachers and schools.Â* Schools are
for academic learning, not for raising kids. Now-a-days parents don't
always support the school systems or rules.Â* They sue them if they
think little Johnny has been mistreated.

Far too much of an "entitlement" philosophy today.Â* A feeling of
unfulfilled entitlement leads to frustration, and confusion.Â* We need
to re-enforce the concept of self responsibility and accountability.
Need to reign in some of the liberal preaching in schools.

Too easy to acquire assault type rifles.Â* Most states have a legal age
for "long guns" of 18 years but 21 years for handguns.Â* Most of these
mass shootings are done with assault type rifles.

But, of course, the immediate reaction by the DC crowd focuses only on
gun control.



Society is similar among many Western-style countries...and yet only one
country has the numbers of and sorts of mass shootings under discussion
here.

Which country is that, and what is different about it?


We are the only ones massively drugging our kids?


Maybe it is because we are the only western country in which there is
such easy access to guns. Ever consider that?


We had even more access to firearms 50 years ago. Where were al� the mass
shootings?

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/15/18 12:50 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:06:14 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I was just reading about the YouTube blogger who reported the post made
by Cruz back in 2017 about "going to be a professional school shooter"
to the FBI. The blogger said the local office of the FBI immediately
met with him, took the screen capture of Cruz's post and that's the last
he ever heard about it. Until yesterday.

Seems there are some problems even in the FBI. Why wasn't he
questioned? Why didn't they do something?

Maybe if he had tweeted about Putin, Trump and a Russian hooker, they
would have been paying more attention.


Maybe if you two paid attention, you might have known the FBI said there
wasn't any info connected to the blog post that would have allowed the
agency to trace the "professional school shooter."




They can trace a Russian Hacker directly to Trump. Why not trace a blog
post?

On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 11:41:31 -0800 (PST), True North wrote:

On Thursday, 15 February 2018 15:29:41 UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 11:19:32 -0800 (PST), True North wrote:

On Thursday, 15 February 2018 12:15:02 UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/15/18 11:01 AM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/15/18 8:30 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

On 2/14/18 8:48 PM, Bill wrote:

On 2/14/18 6:13 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

The hatred and division of adults are obviously affecting the
younger people.* Horrible event in Florida.

Maybe is proof mental health professionals suck.


I think the problems we have here in the USA is cultural and is
multi-faceted.* They include:

Dependence on social media for interaction with others.* Social media
removes real human interaction and creates an artificial world with
little emotional feedback.* Hell, the expression of normal body language
has been replaced by "emoticons".

Too many or too strict privacy laws.* HIPAA laws should be revised to
allow medical and mental health professionals to alert law enforcement
of suspected threats by those with aggressive tendencies or who
represent a danger to to society.

Parental responsibility for teaching and disciplining of kids has
increasingly been shifted to their teachers and schools.* Schools are
for academic learning, not for raising kids. Now-a-days parents don't
always support the school systems or rules.* They sue them if they
think little Johnny has been mistreated.

Far too much of an "entitlement" philosophy today.* A feeling of
unfulfilled entitlement leads to frustration, and confusion.* We need
to re-enforce the concept of self responsibility and accountability.
Need to reign in some of the liberal preaching in schools.

Too easy to acquire assault type rifles.* Most states have a legal age
for "long guns" of 18 years but 21 years for handguns.* Most of these
mass shootings are done with assault type rifles.

But, of course, the immediate reaction by the DC crowd focuses only on
gun control.



Society is similar among many Western-style countries...and yet only one
country has the numbers of and sorts of mass shootings under discussion
here.

Which country is that, and what is different about it?


We are the only ones massively drugging our kids?


Maybe it is because we are the only western country in which there is
such easy access to guns. Ever consider that?

Bingo!
Crazy gun culture and unstable youth = trouble.

Just for you, donnie -- https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/...QxitHC7uw.jpeg


Bizarre! Every picture you've posted since returning from your Goofy Cruise has been of the back end of an animal. If this your 'new hobby' JohnnyMop?

Only when very appropriate.

So, all blacks who don't like Trump are racists?

Your logic.

On 2/15/18 2:20 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/15/2018 1:30 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Thursday, February 15, 2018 at 12:38:55 PM UTC-5,
wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 07:54:04 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:



Because mental health services are not available to youngsters most in
need? You certainly have all the simple-minded nonsense down pat.

Actually Cruz was "in treatment" but Hippa laws prevent us really
hearing any details and he did not seem to be on the local police
radar, although the FBI knew about him from 2 threat reports. I guess
they were too busy investigating trump to spend any time alerting
local authorities. It was still not enough to flag him in the
background check system. So much for those background checks you think
will solve all of our problems.

The FBI also should have known him from the youtube comment where he
used his own name.



What gets me is that if a parent takes their kid to the doctor with a
bruise and the doc has any suspicion at all that the parent may be
responsible for the bruise, the Department of Social Services may be
contacted and authorized to take custody of the kid until an
investigation is done.

If a dog owner leaves a dog locked in a hot car during the summer the
dog can be taken for safe keeping and the owner charged with animal
cruelty.

But if a person demonstrates a violent personality with the potential to
cause harm to someone to a shrink or therapist, the shrink or therapist
can't say anything.Â* They just prescribe some anti-depressants and
schedule another session for next week.



You are remarkably uninformed on mental health issues for someone who
keeps commenting on them.

There are laws in most states that require a therapist to contact
authorities if a patient is a danger to him/herself, to others, and/or
if the therapist suspects that a known child is being abused. If the
patient is a minor, the parents must be informed, too. Every licensed
therapist requires new patients to sign a consent form that clearly
explains the obligation to report.

In your state of Massachusetts, the therapist must contact authorities
if "the patient has communicated to the licensed mental health
professional an explicit threat to kill or inflict serious bodily injury
upon a reasonably identified victim or victims and the patient has the
apparent intent and ability to carry out the threat, or (b) the patient
has a history of physical violence which is known to the licensed mental
health professional and the licensed mental health professional has a
reasonable basis to believe that there is a clear and present danger
that the patient will attempt to kill or inflict serious bodily injury
against a reasonably identified victim or victims..."

Yes, the threat must be explicit and a potential target must be
reasonably identified. Saying you are going to "kill someone" probably
isn't enough. Saying you are going to kill five people at the local high
school probably is enough.

On 2/15/18 2:21 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/15/2018 2:19 PM, True North wrote:
On Thursday, 15 February 2018 12:15:02 UTC-4, Keyser SozeÂ* wrote:
On 2/15/18 11:01 AM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/15/18 8:30 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

On 2/14/18 8:48 PM, Bill wrote:

On 2/14/18 6:13 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

The hatred and division of adults are obviously affecting the
younger people.Â* Horrible event in Florida.

Maybe is proof mental health professionals suck.


I think the problems we have here in the USA is cultural and is
multi-faceted.Â* They include:

Dependence on social media for interaction with others.Â* Social media
removes real human interaction and creates an artificial world with
little emotional feedback.Â* Hell, the expression of normal body
language
has been replaced by "emoticons".

Too many or too strict privacy laws.Â* HIPAA laws should be revised to
allow medical and mental health professionals to alert law
enforcement
of suspected threats by those with aggressive tendencies or who
represent a danger to to society.

Parental responsibility for teaching and disciplining of kids has
increasingly been shifted to their teachers and schools.Â* Schools are
for academic learning, not for raising kids. Now-a-days parents don't
always support the school systems or rules.Â* They sue them if they
think little Johnny has been mistreated.

Far too much of an "entitlement" philosophy today.Â* A feeling of
unfulfilled entitlement leads to frustration, and confusion.Â* We need
to re-enforce the concept of self responsibility and accountability.
Need to reign in some of the liberal preaching in schools.

Too easy to acquire assault type rifles.Â* Most states have a legal
age
for "long guns" of 18 years but 21 years for handguns.Â* Most of these
mass shootings are done with assault type rifles.

But, of course, the immediate reaction by the DC crowd focuses
only on
gun control.



Society is similar among many Western-style countries...and yet
only one
country has the numbers of and sorts of mass shootings under
discussion
here.

Which country is that, and what is different about it?


We are the only ones massively drugging our kids?


Maybe it is because we are the only western country in which there is
such easy access to guns. Ever consider that?

Bingo!
Crazy gun culture and unstable youth = trouble.



Focus on the unstable youth.Â* It's really the problem, not guns.


Every western country has unstable youth. Why don't those countries have
the number of school mass killings that we do?

On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:48:48 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

Society is similar among many Western-style countries...and yet only one
country has the numbers of and sorts of mass shootings under discussion
here.

Which country is that, and what is different about it?

First "society" is not really similar at all and I suppose the answer
you are looking for is we have no real connection between mental
health services and any other regulatory agency.
A person can be a ticking time bomb, walking among us, well armed and
the doctors are prohibited by law to warn anyone.
Part of that is, nobody trusts doctors to give unbiased opinions. The
other part is, people with perceived mental problems will be severely
discriminated against and not just by gun dealers.

On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:56:28 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:


Seems there are some problems even in the FBI.Â* Why wasn't he
questioned?Â* Why didn't they do something?

An FBI spokesperson said the bureau was not able to identity the person
who left that post on the blog. Hard to question an individual you
cannot identify, eh?

Since he was posting with his real name*(according to CNN), why was
that so hard for them? These are the guys who say they can trace the
DNC hack back to a particular building in Russia from crumbs so
ambiguous that it strains credibility but they can't find a guy,
registered, using his own name in a blog? Really? I guess throwing a
little dirt on Trump is more important than 17 dead kids.
I am beginning to think the FBI has become the Keystone cops.

On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 11:15:00 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/15/18 11:01 AM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:

Which country is that, and what is different about it?


We are the only ones massively drugging our kids?


Maybe it is because we are the only western country in which there is
such easy access to guns. Ever consider that?

We murder more people with our bare hands than most of those European
places you hold so dear. In fact that is also more than get killed
with rifles, all kinds, assault or otherwise.

On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 08:23:52 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

There is even easier access to kitchen knives, hammers and cars, but it is far more rare that a troubled person uses one of those to kill someone.

There must be something other than easy access to drive them to use a gun, eh?

Efficiency. The same reason Harry has had an assault rifle of some
sort for as long as I can remember.
Knives and clubs still kill about 2200 a year vs a few hundred for
rifles.

On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 12:52:20 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/15/18 12:50 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:06:14 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I was just reading about the YouTube blogger who reported the post made
by Cruz back in 2017 about "going to be a professional school shooter"
to the FBI. The blogger said the local office of the FBI immediately
met with him, took the screen capture of Cruz's post and that's the last
he ever heard about it. Until yesterday.

Seems there are some problems even in the FBI. Why wasn't he
questioned? Why didn't they do something?

Maybe if he had tweeted about Putin, Trump and a Russian hooker, they
would have been paying more attention.


Maybe if you two paid attention, you might have known the FBI said there
wasn't any info connected to the blog post that would have allowed the
agency to trace the "professional school shooter."


Except he was registered in his real name., That should have been a
clue.