On Friday, 16 February 2018 14:09:19 UTC-4, wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 09:49:40 -0500, Justan Ohlphart
wrote:


Well, then, no reason to buy a safe, eh? Because in your world, nothing
can be done about anything. The safe I have uses 11-gauge steel,
whatever that is.

11 ga steel is just over 1 tenth of an inch thick. Not much thicker than
the steel in a file cabinet. Hope that makes you feel secure.

Actually 11ga is .125" and really thick for a typical gun safe. File
cabinets are usually 18-20ga and cheap ones less than that.
The "security" Steelcase ones we had at IBM were 18ga. The regular
ones were 20ga as I recall (it may be 16/18). I have a regular one
back in the shop I keep my ammo in. I suppose I could check it.
The difference is just how fast the cut goes tho. If someone is
serious and brings a 14" cutoff saw, 1/4" steel is going down pretty
fast. It really just depends on how much they want your guns and if
they know they are there in the first place. Big safes, usually mean
lots of valuable guns.
Harry may be attracting unnecessary attention to his modest collection
;-)

What about Ditzy Dan Kruger?
He actually boasts how many guns he has and what kind over a public newsgroup. How stupid is that?

On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 13:18:32 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/16/18 1:09 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 09:49:40 -0500, Justan Ohlphart
wrote:


Well, then, no reason to buy a safe, eh? Because in your world, nothing
can be done about anything. The safe I have uses 11-gauge steel,
whatever that is.

11 ga steel is just over 1 tenth of an inch thick. Not much thicker than
the steel in a file cabinet. Hope that makes you feel secure.

Actually 11ga is .125" and really thick for a typical gun safe. File
cabinets are usually 18-20ga and cheap ones less than that.
The "security" Steelcase ones we had at IBM were 18ga. The regular
ones were 20ga as I recall (it may be 16/18). I have a regular one
back in the shop I keep my ammo in. I suppose I could check it.
The difference is just how fast the cut goes tho. If someone is
serious and brings a 14" cutoff saw, 1/4" steel is going down pretty
fast. It really just depends on how much they want your guns and if
they know they are there in the first place. Big safes, usually mean
lots of valuable guns.
Harry may be attracting unnecessary attention to his modest collection
;-)


I no longer own firearms other than those available at normal retail,
and none of them would much interest the mass shooters that seem extant
these days...

I bet they would like your Czech 9mm assault weapon, especially with
the hi cap magazines you went to Virginia for,

On 2/16/18 2:13 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 13:18:32 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/16/18 1:09 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 09:49:40 -0500, Justan Ohlphart
wrote:


Well, then, no reason to buy a safe, eh? Because in your world, nothing
can be done about anything. The safe I have uses 11-gauge steel,
whatever that is.

11 ga steel is just over 1 tenth of an inch thick. Not much thicker than
the steel in a file cabinet. Hope that makes you feel secure.

Actually 11ga is .125" and really thick for a typical gun safe. File
cabinets are usually 18-20ga and cheap ones less than that.
The "security" Steelcase ones we had at IBM were 18ga. The regular
ones were 20ga as I recall (it may be 16/18). I have a regular one
back in the shop I keep my ammo in. I suppose I could check it.
The difference is just how fast the cut goes tho. If someone is
serious and brings a 14" cutoff saw, 1/4" steel is going down pretty
fast. It really just depends on how much they want your guns and if
they know they are there in the first place. Big safes, usually mean
lots of valuable guns.
Harry may be attracting unnecessary attention to his modest collection
;-)


I no longer own firearms other than those available at normal retail,
and none of them would much interest the mass shooters that seem extant
these days...

I bet they would like your Czech 9mm assault weapon, especially with
the hi cap magazines you went to Virginia for,



There are far easier and juicier selections...at Alex's house.

On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 10:55:01 -0800 (PST), True North wrote:

On Friday, 16 February 2018 14:09:19 UTC-4, wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 09:49:40 -0500, Justan Ohlphart
wrote:


Well, then, no reason to buy a safe, eh? Because in your world, nothing
can be done about anything. The safe I have uses 11-gauge steel,
whatever that is.

11 ga steel is just over 1 tenth of an inch thick. Not much thicker than
the steel in a file cabinet. Hope that makes you feel secure.

Actually 11ga is .125" and really thick for a typical gun safe. File
cabinets are usually 18-20ga and cheap ones less than that.
The "security" Steelcase ones we had at IBM were 18ga. The regular
ones were 20ga as I recall (it may be 16/18). I have a regular one
back in the shop I keep my ammo in. I suppose I could check it.
The difference is just how fast the cut goes tho. If someone is
serious and brings a 14" cutoff saw, 1/4" steel is going down pretty
fast. It really just depends on how much they want your guns and if
they know they are there in the first place. Big safes, usually mean
lots of valuable guns.
Harry may be attracting unnecessary attention to his modest collection
;-)

What about Ditzy Dan Kruger?
He actually boasts how many guns he has and what kind over a public newsgroup. How stupid is that?

Donnie, you can't even answer a simple question. Yet you call someone else 'stupid'?

You need to keep your head buried and just be quiet. http://tinyurl.com/y76e8wb9

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/15/18 8:33 PM, Alex wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/15/18 4:47 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 08:23:52 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

There is even easier access to kitchen knives, hammers and cars,
but it is far more rare that a troubled person uses one of those
to kill someone.

There must be something other than easy access to drive them to
use a gun, eh?

Efficiency. The same reason Harry has had an assault rifle of some
sort for as long as I can remember.
Knives and clubs still kill about 2200 a year vs a few hundred for
rifles.


I engage in the wholesale slaughter of empty beer and soda cans,
plastic soda bottles, and paper targets. No kids or crazed
right-wing rec.boaters are going to get their hands on my rifles
unless they blow up or carry out my 800-pound safe that is
through-bolted to concrete.


Unless it's a tiny safe, you don't own a safe. Mine is just over
1500lbs.

You are *the* ignorant asshole on rec.boats, Alex. I have a Liberty
Safe, a decent brand. It measures 66.5" x 36" x 32", and adequately
stores my small collection of firearms, and much more. I was wrong
about the weight...it weighs 900+ pounds. It is a real safe.

Go pound sand.

Bad buy...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRFZd4SlKQo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1emdpdLWhH4

wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 20:33:47 -0500, Alex wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/15/18 4:47 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 08:23:52 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

There is even easier access to kitchen knives, hammers and cars, but
it is far more rare that a troubled person uses one of those to kill
someone.

There must be something other than easy access to drive them to use
a gun, eh?
Efficiency. The same reason Harry has had an assault rifle of some
sort for as long as I can remember.
Knives and clubs still kill about 2200 a year vs a few hundred for
rifles.

I engage in the wholesale slaughter of empty beer and soda cans,
plastic soda bottles, and paper targets. No kids or crazed right-wing
rec.boaters are going to get their hands on my rifles unless they blow
up or carry out my 800-pound safe that is through-bolted to concrete.

Unless it's a tiny safe, you don't own a safe. Mine is just over 1500lbs.
Harry is a high volume dealer but he never has a lot of inventory in
his floor plan. A small safe works for him.
BTW have you ever seen how long the typical "gun safe" holds up to a
determined thief with modern tools?
A diamond blade in a $20 Harbor Fright circular saw will slice through
the side or back of these things in a few minutes. A regular "metal"
cutting carbide blade will defeat most of them.
It is noisy and dusty but effective on just about anything but 1/4"
armor plate. Most are 16ga up to 12ga steel with some kind of cement
board or even fire code drywall between layers.


I chose mine for its fire rating above anything else.

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 09:36:02 -0500, Justan Ohlphart wrote:

On 2/16/2018 8:07 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 21:39:57 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 2/15/18 12:50 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:06:14 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I was just reading about the YouTube blogger who reported the post made
by Cruz back in 2017 about "going to be a professional school shooter"
to the FBI. The blogger said the local office of the FBI immediately
met with him, took the screen capture of Cruz's post and that's the last
he ever heard about it. Until yesterday.

Seems there are some problems even in the FBI. Why wasn't he
questioned? Why didn't they do something?
Maybe if he had tweeted about Putin, Trump and a Russian hooker, they
would have been paying more attention.

Maybe if you two paid attention, you might have known the FBI said there
wasn't any info connected to the blog post that would have allowed the
agency to trace the "professional school shooter."



I guess the fbi was thrown off track by the guy posting with his
real name.
The FBI is really, really busy trying to prove Trump colluded with Puting to win the election.

Give 'em a break.

You're right. It's all the gun's fault. There's no need to point fingers
at the shrinkers, FBI, law enforcement, justice system, or congress
critters.

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Guns like Harry's should be outlawed. Guns like my mini-14 Ranch, with the wooden stock and same
capabilities, are OK.

Sure. It's not scary!

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/16/18 2:13 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 13:18:32 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/16/18 1:09 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 09:49:40 -0500, Justan Ohlphart
wrote:


Well, then, no reason to buy a safe, eh? Because in your world,
nothing
can be done about anything. The safe I have uses 11-gauge steel,
whatever that is.

11 ga steel is just over 1 tenth of an inch thick. Not much
thicker than
the steel in a file cabinet. Hope that makes you feel secure.

Actually 11ga is .125" and really thick for a typical gun safe. File
cabinets are usually 18-20ga and cheap ones less than that.
The "security" Steelcase ones we had at IBM were 18ga. The regular
ones were 20ga as I recall (it may be 16/18). I have a regular one
back in the shop I keep my ammo in. I suppose I could check it.
The difference is just how fast the cut goes tho. If someone is
serious and brings a 14" cutoff saw, 1/4" steel is going down pretty
fast. It really just depends on how much they want your guns and if
they know they are there in the first place. Big safes, usually mean
lots of valuable guns.
Harry may be attracting unnecessary attention to his modest collection
;-)


I no longer own firearms other than those available at normal retail,
and none of them would much interest the mass shooters that seem extant
these days...

I bet they would like your Czech 9mm assault weapon, especially with
the hi cap magazines you went to Virginia for,



There are far easier and juicier selections...at Alex's house.


When you have a gun collection worth over $100K, you have the best safes
(fire and intrusion), a perimeter security system, and cameras. I also
have additional insurance to cover loss by theft, and fire. Come and
get them.

On Friday, February 16, 2018 at 9:01:37 PM UTC-5, Alex wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/15/18 8:33 PM, Alex wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/15/18 4:47 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 08:23:52 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote:

There is even easier access to kitchen knives, hammers and cars,
but it is far more rare that a troubled person uses one of those
to kill someone.

There must be something other than easy access to drive them to
use a gun, eh?

Efficiency. The same reason Harry has had an assault rifle of some
sort for as long as I can remember.
Knives and clubs still kill about 2200 a year vs a few hundred for
rifles.


I engage in the wholesale slaughter of empty beer and soda cans,
plastic soda bottles, and paper targets. No kids or crazed
right-wing rec.boaters are going to get their hands on my rifles
unless they blow up or carry out my 800-pound safe that is
through-bolted to concrete.


Unless it's a tiny safe, you don't own a safe. Mine is just over
1500lbs.

You are *the* ignorant asshole on rec.boats, Alex. I have a Liberty
Safe, a decent brand. It measures 66.5" x 36" x 32", and adequately
stores my small collection of firearms, and much more. I was wrong
about the weight...it weighs 900+ pounds. It is a real safe.

Go pound sand.

Bad buy...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRFZd4SlKQo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1emdpdLWhH4

Heh, heh.

Harry has a ****ty safe.

On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 14:42:29 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/16/18 2:13 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 13:18:32 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/16/18 1:09 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 09:49:40 -0500, Justan Ohlphart
wrote:


Well, then, no reason to buy a safe, eh? Because in your world, nothing
can be done about anything. The safe I have uses 11-gauge steel,
whatever that is.

11 ga steel is just over 1 tenth of an inch thick. Not much thicker than
the steel in a file cabinet. Hope that makes you feel secure.

Actually 11ga is .125" and really thick for a typical gun safe. File
cabinets are usually 18-20ga and cheap ones less than that.
The "security" Steelcase ones we had at IBM were 18ga. The regular
ones were 20ga as I recall (it may be 16/18). I have a regular one
back in the shop I keep my ammo in. I suppose I could check it.
The difference is just how fast the cut goes tho. If someone is
serious and brings a 14" cutoff saw, 1/4" steel is going down pretty
fast. It really just depends on how much they want your guns and if
they know they are there in the first place. Big safes, usually mean
lots of valuable guns.
Harry may be attracting unnecessary attention to his modest collection
;-)


I no longer own firearms other than those available at normal retail,
and none of them would much interest the mass shooters that seem extant
these days...

I bet they would like your Czech 9mm assault weapon, especially with
the hi cap magazines you went to Virginia for,



There are far easier and juicier selections...at Alex's house.

No doubt but that is not what you said.