From CNN no less...

"So why are Democrats struggling to grow their generic ballot advantage? Because they continue to
ignore three political realities: Most Americans aren't as liberal as their outraged base voters
(especially in urban areas); most voters want their taxes to go down instead of up; and most voters
want the parties to work together when it makes sense. I'll give you examples of each:"

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/30/opini...ons/index.html

On Sat, 07 Apr 2018 07:18:09 -0400, John H.
wrote:

From CNN no less...

"So why are Democrats struggling to grow their generic ballot advantage? Because they continue to
ignore three political realities: Most Americans aren't as liberal as their outraged base voters
(especially in urban areas); most voters want their taxes to go down instead of up; and most voters
want the parties to work together when it makes sense. I'll give you examples of each:"

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/30/opini...ons/index.html


-Most Americans aren't as liberal as their outraged base voters...

Well, that's number one and I don't know if the Democratic old guard
will ever get that. Maybe, in time, they will score points with the
millenials, but in reality, they millenials will most likely become
more conservative over time. In the meantime, they are playing up to a
minority of their own party that is out of touch with damn near
everybody and everything.

- most voters want their taxes to go down instead of up

That's a pipe dream. With the raging deficit begun by Reagan and added
to each year since, especially a $1.2T debt created by the current
self avowed "king of debt," as in "I love debt...." Taxes will have
to go UP, just to pay the interest only. You can have that drunken,
feel-good, things will work out, rave... just know that the bar tab,
with interest, will come due.

- most voters want the parties to work together when it makes sense...

This newsgroup is proof that for many, if not most, that will never
happen. Some people can't help but think in terms of "us agin' them,"
bolstered by the belief that the ends justify the means.

On 4/7/18 9:35 AM, UseNet wrote:

- most voters want their taxes to go down instead of up

That's a pipe dream. With the raging deficit begun by Reagan and added
to each year since, especially a $1.2T debt created by the current
self avowed "king of debt," as in "I love debt...." Taxes will have
to go UP, just to pay the interest only. You can have that drunken,
feel-good, things will work out, rave... just know that the bar tab,
with interest, will come due.

The few dollars a pay period most actual working Americans might see
from the tax cut will be devoured by Trump's trade war if it comes to
pass with the PRC. Midwestern farmers are already paying a penalty
because Mexico is shopping other than in the USA to buy its corn and
other commodities, and there are serious shortages of Mexican farm
workers willing to risk crossing the border to do stoop labor in
California's crop fields. Food prices are going to go up, up, up as more
farms fail.

On 4/7/2018 10:04 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/7/18 9:35 AM, UseNet wrote:

- most voters want their taxes to go down instead of up

That's a pipe dream. With the raging deficit begun by Reagan and added
to each year since, especially a $1.2T debt created by the current
self avowed "king of debt," as in "I love debt...."Â* Taxes will have
to go UP, just to pay the interest only. You can have that drunken,
feel-good, things will work out, rave... just know that the bar tab,
with interest, will come due.

The few dollars a pay period most actual working Americans might see
from the tax cut will be devoured by Trump's trade war if it comes to
pass with the PRC. Midwestern farmers are already paying a penalty
because Mexico is shopping other than in the USA to buy its corn and
other commodities, and there are serious shortages of Mexican farm
workers willing to risk crossing the border to do stoop labor in
California's crop fields. Food prices are going to go up, up, up as more
farms fail.


In other words, "The sky is falling, the sky is falling".

Harry, many people before you have made sacrifices to ensure the best
interests of the USA. You should be thankful.

On 4/7/18 10:18 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/7/2018 10:04 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/7/18 9:35 AM, UseNet wrote:

- most voters want their taxes to go down instead of up

That's a pipe dream. With the raging deficit begun by Reagan and added
to each year since, especially a $1.2T debt created by the current
self avowed "king of debt," as in "I love debt...."Â* Taxes will have
to go UP, just to pay the interest only. You can have that drunken,
feel-good, things will work out, rave... just know that the bar tab,
with interest, will come due.

The few dollars a pay period most actual working Americans might see
from the tax cut will be devoured by Trump's trade war if it comes to
pass with the PRC. Midwestern farmers are already paying a penalty
because Mexico is shopping other than in the USA to buy its corn and
other commodities, and there are serious shortages of Mexican farm
workers willing to risk crossing the border to do stoop labor in
California's crop fields. Food prices are going to go up, up, up as
more farms fail.


In other words, "The sky is falling, the sky is falling".

Harry, many people before you have made sacrifices to ensure the best
interests of the USA.Â* You should be thankful.



There's nothing about Trump that promotes "the best interests" of this
country.

On Sat, 07 Apr 2018 09:35:21 -0400, UseNet wrote:

On Sat, 07 Apr 2018 07:18:09 -0400, John H.
wrote:

From CNN no less...

"So why are Democrats struggling to grow their generic ballot advantage? Because they continue to
ignore three political realities: Most Americans aren't as liberal as their outraged base voters
(especially in urban areas); most voters want their taxes to go down instead of up; and most voters
want the parties to work together when it makes sense. I'll give you examples of each:"

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/30/opini...ons/index.html


-Most Americans aren't as liberal as their outraged base voters...

Well, that's number one and I don't know if the Democratic old guard
will ever get that. Maybe, in time, they will score points with the
millenials, but in reality, they millenials will most likely become
more conservative over time. In the meantime, they are playing up to a
minority of their own party that is out of touch with damn near
everybody and everything.

- most voters want their taxes to go down instead of up

That's a pipe dream. With the raging deficit begun by Reagan and added
to each year since, especially a $1.2T debt created by the current
self avowed "king of debt," as in "I love debt...." Taxes will have
to go UP, just to pay the interest only. You can have that drunken,
feel-good, things will work out, rave... just know that the bar tab,
with interest, will come due.

What taxes 'have to do' was not the statement. Most voters do not want taxes to go up is a true
statement, even though they would like the debt to go down.


- most voters want the parties to work together when it makes sense...

This newsgroup is proof that for many, if not most, that will never
happen. Some people can't help but think in terms of "us agin' them,"
bolstered by the belief that the ends justify the means.

We have one major extremist here. He is, even according to you, somewhat ridiculous.

On Sat, 07 Apr 2018 11:14:34 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sat, 07 Apr 2018 09:35:21 -0400, UseNet wrote:

On Sat, 07 Apr 2018 07:18:09 -0400, John H.
wrote:

From CNN no less...

"So why are Democrats struggling to grow their generic ballot advantage? Because they continue to
ignore three political realities: Most Americans aren't as liberal as their outraged base voters
(especially in urban areas); most voters want their taxes to go down instead of up; and most voters
want the parties to work together when it makes sense. I'll give you examples of each:"

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/30/opini...ons/index.html


-Most Americans aren't as liberal as their outraged base voters...

Well, that's number one and I don't know if the Democratic old guard
will ever get that. Maybe, in time, they will score points with the
millenials, but in reality, they millenials will most likely become
more conservative over time. In the meantime, they are playing up to a
minority of their own party that is out of touch with damn near
everybody and everything.

- most voters want their taxes to go down instead of up

That's a pipe dream. With the raging deficit begun by Reagan and added
to each year since, especially a $1.2T debt created by the current
self avowed "king of debt," as in "I love debt...." Taxes will have
to go UP, just to pay the interest only. You can have that drunken,
feel-good, things will work out, rave... just know that the bar tab,
with interest, will come due.

What taxes 'have to do' was not the statement. Most voters do not want taxes to go up is a true
statement, even though they would like the debt to go down.

The problem is congress refuses to cut spending. Every dollar they
spend is somebody's sacred caw and that translates into votes.

"A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters
discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public
treasury."
"From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who
promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result
that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy,
which is always followed by a dictatorship."

We seem to be rapidly approaching that crash.

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/7/18 9:35 AM, UseNet wrote:

- most voters want their taxes to go down instead of up

That's a pipe dream. With the raging deficit begun by Reagan and added
to each year since, especially a $1.2T debt created by the current
self avowed "king of debt," as in "I love debt...." Taxes will have
to go UP, just to pay the interest only. You can have that drunken,
feel-good, things will work out, rave... just know that the bar tab,
with interest, will come due.

The few dollars a pay period most actual working Americans might see
from the tax cut will be devoured by Trump's trade war if it comes to
pass with the PRC. Midwestern farmers are already paying a penalty
because Mexico is shopping other than in the USA to buy its corn and
other commodities, and there are serious shortages of Mexican farm
workers willing to risk crossing the border to do stoop labor in
California's crop fields. Food prices are going to go up, up, up as more
farms fail.


A problem with corn, is it is a food crop. But the Fed’s want it as an
energy crop. So little energy gain overall, does not overcome the extra
cost to sell it as food, especially in Mexico. Easy cure for the lack of
migrant workers. Bring back a modified Bracero program. Would also stop
most illegal immigration.

On 4/7/2018 11:40 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 07 Apr 2018 11:14:34 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sat, 07 Apr 2018 09:35:21 -0400, UseNet wrote:

On Sat, 07 Apr 2018 07:18:09 -0400, John H.
wrote:

From CNN no less...

"So why are Democrats struggling to grow their generic ballot advantage? Because they continue to
ignore three political realities: Most Americans aren't as liberal as their outraged base voters
(especially in urban areas); most voters want their taxes to go down instead of up; and most voters
want the parties to work together when it makes sense. I'll give you examples of each:"

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/30/opini...ons/index.html


-Most Americans aren't as liberal as their outraged base voters...

Well, that's number one and I don't know if the Democratic old guard
will ever get that. Maybe, in time, they will score points with the
millenials, but in reality, they millenials will most likely become
more conservative over time. In the meantime, they are playing up to a
minority of their own party that is out of touch with damn near
everybody and everything.

- most voters want their taxes to go down instead of up

That's a pipe dream. With the raging deficit begun by Reagan and added
to each year since, especially a $1.2T debt created by the current
self avowed "king of debt," as in "I love debt...." Taxes will have
to go UP, just to pay the interest only. You can have that drunken,
feel-good, things will work out, rave... just know that the bar tab,
with interest, will come due.

What taxes 'have to do' was not the statement. Most voters do not want taxes to go up is a true
statement, even though they would like the debt to go down.

The problem is congress refuses to cut spending. Every dollar they
spend is somebody's sacred caw and that translates into votes.

"A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters
discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public
treasury."
"From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who
promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result
that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy,
which is always followed by a dictatorship."

We seem to be rapidly approaching that crash.



Congress has become a joke and both parties are to blame.

Saw a short interview with a couple of Jr. Senators and
Congressmen who are serving their first terms in office.

Both admitted to a rude awakening in terms of how congress
really works compared to their previous, naive expectations.
It's all about pork barrel programs intended to get re-elected.
The best interests of the country are not close to being a priority.

On Sat, 7 Apr 2018 14:28:20 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/7/2018 11:40 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 07 Apr 2018 11:14:34 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sat, 07 Apr 2018 09:35:21 -0400, UseNet wrote:

On Sat, 07 Apr 2018 07:18:09 -0400, John H.
wrote:

From CNN no less...

"So why are Democrats struggling to grow their generic ballot advantage? Because they continue to
ignore three political realities: Most Americans aren't as liberal as their outraged base voters
(especially in urban areas); most voters want their taxes to go down instead of up; and most voters
want the parties to work together when it makes sense. I'll give you examples of each:"

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/30/opini...ons/index.html


-Most Americans aren't as liberal as their outraged base voters...

Well, that's number one and I don't know if the Democratic old guard
will ever get that. Maybe, in time, they will score points with the
millenials, but in reality, they millenials will most likely become
more conservative over time. In the meantime, they are playing up to a
minority of their own party that is out of touch with damn near
everybody and everything.

- most voters want their taxes to go down instead of up

That's a pipe dream. With the raging deficit begun by Reagan and added
to each year since, especially a $1.2T debt created by the current
self avowed "king of debt," as in "I love debt...." Taxes will have
to go UP, just to pay the interest only. You can have that drunken,
feel-good, things will work out, rave... just know that the bar tab,
with interest, will come due.

What taxes 'have to do' was not the statement. Most voters do not want taxes to go up is a true
statement, even though they would like the debt to go down.

The problem is congress refuses to cut spending. Every dollar they
spend is somebody's sacred caw and that translates into votes.

"A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters
discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public
treasury."
"From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who
promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result
that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy,
which is always followed by a dictatorship."

We seem to be rapidly approaching that crash.



Congress has become a joke and both parties are to blame.

Saw a short interview with a couple of Jr. Senators and
Congressmen who are serving their first terms in office.

Both admitted to a rude awakening in terms of how congress
really works compared to their previous, naive expectations.
It's all about pork barrel programs intended to get re-elected.
The best interests of the country are not close to being a priority.



===

So how can we get term limits on these rascals? They're not likely to
vote them in on their own.

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