On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 17:54:02 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/7/18 4:38 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 13:17:02 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/7/18 1:15 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 04:34:26 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 20:45:23 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


I'm not sure what your definition of a real American is. `

The areas away from the big, over congested cities where you can meet
people who still love America.

Pure cracker, or is just voting for Trump enough?
This is an interesting map. Might scare you though.
https://tinyurl.com/y83xn8jm

Nothing surprising there at all but if I was going on vacation I would
get out of those blue areas as fast as my rental car would take me.

Yeah, I appreciate you are scared to death of intelligent, educated,
informed people.

Unfortunately that is not what I usually see there and I am not really
"scared" of much of anything. I can certainly hold my own in a
conversation with just about anyone, on a wide range of subjects
without having to talk about anal sex, masturbation or fellatio and
that seems to be beyond your capabilities.



You don't actually "converse," you look for ways to argue.

Worthy of repetition. Greg said,

"I can certainly hold my own in a
conversation with just about anyone, on a wide range of subjects
without having to talk about anal sex, masturbation or fellatio and
that seems to be beyond your capabilities. "

On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 13:16:53 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 05:49:20 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 20:10:27 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 12:36:38 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 08:54:18 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/6/18 1:25 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 04:30:19 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 05 Jun 2018 15:43:09 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 05 Jun 2018 13:45:28 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 05 Jun 2018 11:47:49 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 08:16:30 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/5/18 8:11 AM, Tim wrote:

7:08 AMKeyser Soze
- show quoted text -
I think those towing big campers should have to mount a big screen TV on
the outside of the back side of their motel rooms on wheels with cameras
pointing forward on the front of the tow vehicle so that drivers behind
them can see the road ahead. Being behind those behemoths while they bob
and weave and strain to get up hills on the interstate is not a pleasant
experience.

........

Same for semi-trucks?


Actually, no, because most of the big truck drivers know how to drive
and their trailers are heavy enough with large wheels to not wander all
over the lanes or be blown about by the wind, and most of them manage to
get up hills without slowing down too much.

Really? You must not have driven anywhere that has very big hills.
When you actually get to a place that has them, trucks are slow going
up and scary coming down.

===

Yes, and in places like I-81 in Pennsylvania, truckers are prone to
racing each other uphill at 40 mph, side by side of course.

Up is just frustrating, down is scary when you hear that Jake Brake
rapping and they are still gaining on you at 65-70.

===

Those Jake brakes are really obnoxious, ought to be totally outlawed
in my opinion.

If road and traffic conditions are decent I'll just keep accelerating
enough to stay ahead of them. My wife's Benz is very solid at even
90+ and the brakes are superb. There's a lot to be said for German
quality and engineering.


Jacob brakes are godsend for western trucks. Huge mountains.

That is what I was referring to with Harry. He calls those 4000 foot
hills "mountains".


I don't often drive where "western trucks" drive.

What is a 'western truck'? The tractors used out west are the same ones used here.

They haul longer trailers and a lot of times, 2 at a time.

I'm seeing double trailers frequently in the east now also.

That used to be illegal. I suppose those mobbed up Teamsters union
guys bought off someone.

We just got back from a trip during which I went up I-81. Every Fed Ex or UPS rig I saw was pulling
double trailers. The Feds have set the law for trailer lengths, although some states are
grandfathered with different lengths.

The idea that trucks 'out west' are bigger or more powerful because of the 'mountains' doesn't hold
much water, IMHO. Stop and think about it - trucking companies don't switch tractors to go
cross-country.

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 13:16:53 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 05:49:20 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 20:10:27 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 12:36:38 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 08:54:18 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/6/18 1:25 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 04:30:19 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 05 Jun 2018 15:43:09 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 05 Jun 2018 13:45:28 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 05 Jun 2018 11:47:49 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 08:16:30 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/5/18 8:11 AM, Tim wrote:

7:08 AMKeyser Soze
- show quoted text -
I think those towing big campers should have to mount a big screen TV on
the outside of the back side of their motel rooms on wheels with cameras
pointing forward on the front of the tow vehicle so that drivers behind
them can see the road ahead. Being behind those behemoths while they bob
and weave and strain to get up hills on the interstate is not a pleasant
experience.

........

Same for semi-trucks?


Actually, no, because most of the big truck drivers know how to drive
and their trailers are heavy enough with large wheels to not wander all
over the lanes or be blown about by the wind, and most of them manage to
get up hills without slowing down too much.

Really? You must not have driven anywhere that has very big hills.
When you actually get to a place that has them, trucks are slow going
up and scary coming down.

===

Yes, and in places like I-81 in Pennsylvania, truckers are prone to
racing each other uphill at 40 mph, side by side of course.

Up is just frustrating, down is scary when you hear that Jake Brake
rapping and they are still gaining on you at 65-70.

===

Those Jake brakes are really obnoxious, ought to be totally outlawed
in my opinion.

If road and traffic conditions are decent I'll just keep accelerating
enough to stay ahead of them. My wife's Benz is very solid at even
90+ and the brakes are superb. There's a lot to be said for German
quality and engineering.


Jacob brakes are godsend for western trucks. Huge mountains.

That is what I was referring to with Harry. He calls those 4000 foot
hills "mountains".


I don't often drive where "western trucks" drive.

What is a 'western truck'? The tractors used out west are the same ones used here.

They haul longer trailers and a lot of times, 2 at a time.

I'm seeing double trailers frequently in the east now also.

That used to be illegal. I suppose those mobbed up Teamsters union
guys bought off someone.

We just got back from a trip during which I went up I-81. Every Fed Ex or
UPS rig I saw was pulling
double trailers. The Feds have set the law for trailer lengths, although some states are
grandfathered with different lengths.

The idea that trucks 'out west' are bigger or more powerful because of
the 'mountains' doesn't hold
much water, IMHO. Stop and think about it - trucking companies don't switch tractors to go
cross-country.


Actually they should. Lower powered, very efficient tractors for pulling
across the plaines and then a very powerful tractor for the mountains.
Pretty much what trains do. Add pulling power for mountains.

On Sun, 10 Jun 2018 20:31:46 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 13:16:53 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 05:49:20 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 20:10:27 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 12:36:38 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 08:54:18 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/6/18 1:25 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 04:30:19 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 05 Jun 2018 15:43:09 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 05 Jun 2018 13:45:28 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 05 Jun 2018 11:47:49 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 08:16:30 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/5/18 8:11 AM, Tim wrote:

7:08 AMKeyser Soze
- show quoted text -
I think those towing big campers should have to mount a big screen TV on
the outside of the back side of their motel rooms on wheels with cameras
pointing forward on the front of the tow vehicle so that drivers behind
them can see the road ahead. Being behind those behemoths while they bob
and weave and strain to get up hills on the interstate is not a pleasant
experience.

........

Same for semi-trucks?


Actually, no, because most of the big truck drivers know how to drive
and their trailers are heavy enough with large wheels to not wander all
over the lanes or be blown about by the wind, and most of them manage to
get up hills without slowing down too much.

Really? You must not have driven anywhere that has very big hills.
When you actually get to a place that has them, trucks are slow going
up and scary coming down.

===

Yes, and in places like I-81 in Pennsylvania, truckers are prone to
racing each other uphill at 40 mph, side by side of course.

Up is just frustrating, down is scary when you hear that Jake Brake
rapping and they are still gaining on you at 65-70.

===

Those Jake brakes are really obnoxious, ought to be totally outlawed
in my opinion.

If road and traffic conditions are decent I'll just keep accelerating
enough to stay ahead of them. My wife's Benz is very solid at even
90+ and the brakes are superb. There's a lot to be said for German
quality and engineering.


Jacob brakes are godsend for western trucks. Huge mountains.

That is what I was referring to with Harry. He calls those 4000 foot
hills "mountains".


I don't often drive where "western trucks" drive.

What is a 'western truck'? The tractors used out west are the same ones used here.

They haul longer trailers and a lot of times, 2 at a time.

I'm seeing double trailers frequently in the east now also.

That used to be illegal. I suppose those mobbed up Teamsters union
guys bought off someone.

We just got back from a trip during which I went up I-81. Every Fed Ex or
UPS rig I saw was pulling
double trailers. The Feds have set the law for trailer lengths, although some states are
grandfathered with different lengths.

The idea that trucks 'out west' are bigger or more powerful because of
the 'mountains' doesn't hold
much water, IMHO. Stop and think about it - trucking companies don't switch tractors to go
cross-country.


Actually they should. Lower powered, very efficient tractors for pulling
across the plaines and then a very powerful tractor for the mountains.
Pretty much what trains do. Add pulling power for mountains.

They somewhat do with short haul trucks.

On Sun, 10 Jun 2018 20:31:46 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 13:16:53 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 05:49:20 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 20:10:27 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 12:36:38 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 08:54:18 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/6/18 1:25 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 04:30:19 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 05 Jun 2018 15:43:09 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 05 Jun 2018 13:45:28 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 05 Jun 2018 11:47:49 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 08:16:30 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/5/18 8:11 AM, Tim wrote:

7:08 AMKeyser Soze
- show quoted text -
I think those towing big campers should have to mount a big screen TV on
the outside of the back side of their motel rooms on wheels with cameras
pointing forward on the front of the tow vehicle so that drivers behind
them can see the road ahead. Being behind those behemoths while they bob
and weave and strain to get up hills on the interstate is not a pleasant
experience.

........

Same for semi-trucks?


Actually, no, because most of the big truck drivers know how to drive
and their trailers are heavy enough with large wheels to not wander all
over the lanes or be blown about by the wind, and most of them manage to
get up hills without slowing down too much.

Really? You must not have driven anywhere that has very big hills.
When you actually get to a place that has them, trucks are slow going
up and scary coming down.

===

Yes, and in places like I-81 in Pennsylvania, truckers are prone to
racing each other uphill at 40 mph, side by side of course.

Up is just frustrating, down is scary when you hear that Jake Brake
rapping and they are still gaining on you at 65-70.

===

Those Jake brakes are really obnoxious, ought to be totally outlawed
in my opinion.

If road and traffic conditions are decent I'll just keep accelerating
enough to stay ahead of them. My wife's Benz is very solid at even
90+ and the brakes are superb. There's a lot to be said for German
quality and engineering.


Jacob brakes are godsend for western trucks. Huge mountains.

That is what I was referring to with Harry. He calls those 4000 foot
hills "mountains".


I don't often drive where "western trucks" drive.

What is a 'western truck'? The tractors used out west are the same ones used here.

They haul longer trailers and a lot of times, 2 at a time.

I'm seeing double trailers frequently in the east now also.

That used to be illegal. I suppose those mobbed up Teamsters union
guys bought off someone.

We just got back from a trip during which I went up I-81. Every Fed Ex or
UPS rig I saw was pulling
double trailers. The Feds have set the law for trailer lengths, although some states are
grandfathered with different lengths.

The idea that trucks 'out west' are bigger or more powerful because of
the 'mountains' doesn't hold
much water, IMHO. Stop and think about it - trucking companies don't switch tractors to go
cross-country.


Actually they should. Lower powered, very efficient tractors for pulling
across the plaines and then a very powerful tractor for the mountains.
Pretty much what trains do. Add pulling power for mountains.

We don't have the Rocky Mountains, but we do get some decent grades. Besides, they like to barrel
across Kansas at 85mph.