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On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 20:45:23 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


I'm not sure what your definition of a real American is. `

The areas away from the big, over congested cities where you can meet
people who still love America.

Pure cracker, or is just voting for Trump enough?
This is an interesting map. Might scare you though.
https://tinyurl.com/y83xn8jm

On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 17:39:22 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

The John flushes his head...
"Holy ****, do you and donneee think of *nothing* besides gay sex, semen, reach-arounds, **** in*
toilets, etc.?"


Look around and see who we have to deal with, JohnnyMop.

You and Harry bringing out the best in each other?

On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 20:07:14 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 11:26:16 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

And you don't have to see not much looking out that window before you
get to your destination. We're heading out to the Pacific Northwest this
summer for a few weeks, with a side cruise to Alaska. We don't want to
waste four days driving, say, to Seattle, and then wasting four days
driving back. It's a six hour nonstop flight to Seattle. We've been to
most of the states between here and there for work and play. I haven't
been to Idaho, but my wife has.

I hope you actually get off the tour bus and take a hike. There are
some wonderful things to see out there but the best ones are more than
100 yards from the parking lot. Same with Alaska.
In Oregon I liked the area around Mt. Hood the best. Great hikes and
we had a really nice house we rented. This is looking up from the
creek out back
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Oregon/Mt%20Hood/Cabin.jpg
If you don't mind a 700' vertical climb and some flat walking on the
Pacific Coast trail, this view is a nice "reward". (Top Spur trail)
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Oregon/Mt%2...top%20spur.jpg

I would skip Bend unless you like extinct volcanos.
If you are going to the beach, Yahats is better than Cannon Beach or
anything closer to Portland. (unless you really like tourist traps)
but Cannon Beach does have it's charm. You aren't getting in the water
anyway, not without a wet suit.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Oregon/Pac%...h%20sunset.jpg
You can build a fire on Cannon Beach.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Oregon/Pac%...%20Bea ch.jpg


I cannot imagine Harry getting far from the comforts of the tour bus. I'm sure his first question
for the driver will be, "Do you have WiFi so I can get on rec.boats?"

On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 20:10:27 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 12:36:38 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 08:54:18 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/6/18 1:25 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 04:30:19 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 05 Jun 2018 15:43:09 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 05 Jun 2018 13:45:28 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 05 Jun 2018 11:47:49 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 08:16:30 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/5/18 8:11 AM, Tim wrote:

7:08 AMKeyser Soze
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I think those towing big campers should have to mount a big screen TV on
the outside of the back side of their motel rooms on wheels with cameras
pointing forward on the front of the tow vehicle so that drivers behind
them can see the road ahead. Being behind those behemoths while they bob
and weave and strain to get up hills on the interstate is not a pleasant
experience.

........

Same for semi-trucks?


Actually, no, because most of the big truck drivers know how to drive
and their trailers are heavy enough with large wheels to not wander all
over the lanes or be blown about by the wind, and most of them manage to
get up hills without slowing down too much.

Really? You must not have driven anywhere that has very big hills.
When you actually get to a place that has them, trucks are slow going
up and scary coming down.

===

Yes, and in places like I-81 in Pennsylvania, truckers are prone to
racing each other uphill at 40 mph, side by side of course.

Up is just frustrating, down is scary when you hear that Jake Brake
rapping and they are still gaining on you at 65-70.

===

Those Jake brakes are really obnoxious, ought to be totally outlawed
in my opinion.

If road and traffic conditions are decent I'll just keep accelerating
enough to stay ahead of them. My wife's Benz is very solid at even
90+ and the brakes are superb. There's a lot to be said for German
quality and engineering.


Jacob brakes are godsend for western trucks. Huge mountains.

That is what I was referring to with Harry. He calls those 4000 foot
hills "mountains".


I don't often drive where "western trucks" drive.

What is a 'western truck'? The tractors used out west are the same ones used here.

They haul longer trailers and a lot of times, 2 at a time.

I'm seeing double trailers frequently in the east now also.

On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 20:23:13 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 15:49:36 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/6/2018 12:35 PM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 06:59:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:



Those Jake brakes are really obnoxious, ought to be totally outlawed
in my opinion.


They are loud but you have to remember that a diesel, unlike a gasoline
engine, does not provide any engine braking when you take your foot
off the gas/fuel pedal. Going down a hill a diesel powered truck will
just keep accelerating and truckers would be replacing expensive brakes
often.



In 'tow/haul' mode, mine will downshift to slow down if I have the cruise control at a slower speed.
Also, going downhill and hitting the brakes will cause it to downshift.


I understand but still, a diesel offers no engine braking like a gas engine.


Not without dumping the compression after the piston goes up anyway.

Maybe that's what my truck does in 'tow/haul' mode.

On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 04:34:26 -0500, Boating All Out wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 20:45:23 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


I'm not sure what your definition of a real American is. `

The areas away from the big, over congested cities where you can meet
people who still love America.

Pure cracker, or is just voting for Trump enough?
This is an interesting map. Might scare you though.
https://tinyurl.com/y83xn8jm

If blue represented welfare recipients and red represented working taxpayers, the map would look
almost the same, no?

Go back to bed.

On 6/6/2018 7:42 PM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 15:49:36 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 6/6/2018 12:35 PM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 06:59:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:



Those Jake brakes are really obnoxious, ought to be totally outlawed
in my opinion.


They are loud but you have to remember that a diesel, unlike a gasoline
engine, does not provide any engine braking when you take your foot
off the gas/fuel pedal. Going down a hill a diesel powered truck will
just keep accelerating and truckers would be replacing expensive brakes
often.



In 'tow/haul' mode, mine will downshift to slow down if I have the cruise control at a slower speed.
Also, going downhill and hitting the brakes will cause it to downshift.


I understand but still, a diesel offers no engine braking like a gas engine.


I haven't figured out how it works, but the engine RPM goes up as the truck is slowing down -
without me using the brake. It sure sounds and feels like the engine is slowing the truck down
somehow.



Some HD GM and Ford pickups have an exhaust brake that works with the
turbocharger. It's not a "Jake" brake and is not noisy like those on
big trucks. The Ford F-350 diesel I had (2005) had one. Mine had
no "control" or off/on switch like in the video (below).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLLOE2sV6SI

On 6/6/2018 11:50 PM, Bill wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 15:49:36 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 6/6/2018 12:35 PM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 06:59:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:



Those Jake brakes are really obnoxious, ought to be totally outlawed
in my opinion.


They are loud but you have to remember that a diesel, unlike a gasoline
engine, does not provide any engine braking when you take your foot
off the gas/fuel pedal. Going down a hill a diesel powered truck will
just keep accelerating and truckers would be replacing expensive brakes
often.



In 'tow/haul' mode, mine will downshift to slow down if I have the
cruise control at a slower speed.
Also, going downhill and hitting the brakes will cause it to downshift.


I understand but still, a diesel offers no engine braking like a gas engine.


I haven't figured out how it works, but the engine RPM goes up as the
truck is slowing down -
without me using the brake. It sure sounds and feels like the engine is
slowing the truck down
somehow.

Changes valve timing I understand. Makes it more a compressor. And the
fuel is shut off.



It works with the turbocharger. Transmission downshifts, increasing
engine RPM which increases turbo PSI. It's an "exhaust"
brake but not the same as a Jake brake used in large trucks.

On 6/7/2018 5:56 AM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 20:23:13 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 15:49:36 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/6/2018 12:35 PM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 06:59:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:



Those Jake brakes are really obnoxious, ought to be totally outlawed
in my opinion.


They are loud but you have to remember that a diesel, unlike a gasoline
engine, does not provide any engine braking when you take your foot
off the gas/fuel pedal. Going down a hill a diesel powered truck will
just keep accelerating and truckers would be replacing expensive brakes
often.



In 'tow/haul' mode, mine will downshift to slow down if I have the cruise control at a slower speed.
Also, going downhill and hitting the brakes will cause it to downshift.


I understand but still, a diesel offers no engine braking like a gas engine.


Not without dumping the compression after the piston goes up anyway.

Maybe that's what my truck does in 'tow/haul' mode.



Ah, that's what turned the turbo "exhaust brake" on in the Ford I had.
It works when you use the tow/haul mode.

On 6/6/18 9:35 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 20:45:23 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/6/18 8:20 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 13:32:02 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/6/18 11:49 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 09:27:45 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 05:58:34 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On 6 Jun 2018 01:36:24 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:


There’s nothing about towing or sleeping in a camper that appeals to me. I
especially wouldn’t tow one to West Virginia to be at a bluegrass venue at
what likely will be a rainy weekend. I wouldn’t go to a bluegrass concert
at Constitution Hall, and I don’t dislike the music. I used to like the
Dillards.

Harry, you need to stop your fixatin on me and my RV. Go talk to the shrink upstairs about this
issue.

===

If 'Airree owned an RV it would be the finest in the world.

He is really saying his wife wouldn't be caught dead in an RV and she
calls the shots. He also hates America so he has to hate traditional
American music. He lives in his urban east coast enclave, oblivious to
the wonders of this country beyond the very narrow corridor he lives
his life in. He has already said if he moves to South Carolina, he
will never venture west of I-95. He might actually meet some real
Americans. Oh the horror!


There you go again, offering up conclusions based on nothing.

It was not "based" on anything. I just repeated what you said.


1. Neither of us would be caught dead in an RV.
OK I think I said that
2. My wife and I share calling the shots.
OK
3. I don't hate America.
The only thing you seem to like about America is the ability to trash
the president, ridicule the military and **** on the flag without
going to jail.

4. I don't hate traditional music.
I have never heard you say anything good about it. All we ever hear
about your musical taste is how much you like symphony orchestras
playing 18th and 19th century European composers.

5. I'm not oblivious to the wonders of this country. I've lived in a
number of states and traveled in many of them for work and for pleasure.
Did you actually get off the bus/train?

6. I've been west of I-95 in South Carolina. I doubt I'll wander west of
it again.
That is what I said.

I'm not sure what your definition of a real American is. `

The areas away from the big, over congested cities where you can meet
people who still love America.



3. Wrong. I love my country when it acts the way it should and doesn't
act the way you conservatives want.

4. So?

5. Yes.

I'm not interested in meeting any more small-minded, isolated people who
live in rural areas and who hate blacks, Latinos, Catholics, Muslims,
Jews, and love Trump. Your kind of 'Mericans, eh?