I stand corrected. I recently discovered that there is at least one
other"detention" center besides the two I mentioned in previous posts.

It's a smaller one in Texas, near the border where illegals who have
been rounded up are held until they can be transferred to one of the
other facilities. Could be more of these, I suppose and the living
conditions are not as good as the bigger facilities.

My humble apologies.

On Mon, 18 Jun 2018 13:49:31 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:


I stand corrected. I recently discovered that there is at least one
other"detention" center besides the two I mentioned in previous posts.

It's a smaller one in Texas, near the border where illegals who have
been rounded up are held until they can be transferred to one of the
other facilities. Could be more of these, I suppose and the living
conditions are not as good as the bigger facilities.

My humble apologies.

Probably let the children stay with parents there.

On 6/18/18 1:49 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

I stand corrected.Â* I recently discovered that there is at least one
other"detention" center besides the two I mentioned in previous posts.

It's a smaller one in Texas, near the border where illegals who have
been rounded up are held until they can be transferred to one of the
other facilities.Â* Could be more of these, I suppose and the living
conditions are not as good as the bigger facilities.

My humble apologies.


No problem. I haven't seen a list and accompanying photos/videos of
every facility where these people are being stashed. I don't what what
the standards are for these facilities. I don't know how many kids were
separated from their moms or dads every month under previous presidents
and under Trump.

What I do know is that separating kids from their parents, siblings, et
cetera, is heartbreaking and presents Americans who really care about
how their country projects itself to them and to those outside the
country a true picture of the horrors of Trump & Thugs, Inc.

I know Trump thinks being tough on immigrants helps him with his base. I
don't think it will help him with anyone else, and anyone else is still
the majority in this country.

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 6/18/18 1:49 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

I stand corrected.Â* I recently discovered that there is at least one
other"detention" center besides the two I mentioned in previous posts.

It's a smaller one in Texas, near the border where illegals who have
been rounded up are held until they can be transferred to one of the
other facilities.Â* Could be more of these, I suppose and the living
conditions are not as good as the bigger facilities.

My humble apologies.


No problem. I haven't seen a list and accompanying photos/videos of
every facility where these people are being stashed. I don't what what
the standards are for these facilities. I don't know how many kids were
separated from their moms or dads every month under previous presidents
and under Trump.

What I do know is that separating kids from their parents, siblings, et
cetera, is heartbreaking and presents Americans who really care about
how their country projects itself to them and to those outside the
country a true picture of the horrors of Trump & Thugs, Inc.

I know Trump thinks being tough on immigrants helps him with his base. I
don't think it will help him with anyone else, and anyone else is still
the majority in this country.


The majority of the country are tough on immigration. Including legal
Latinos.

On 6/18/2018 2:13 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:


On 6/18/18 1:49 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

I stand corrected.Â* I recently discovered that there is at least one
other"detention" center besides the two I mentioned in previous posts.

It's a smaller one in Texas, near the border where illegals who have
been rounded up are held until they can be transferred to one of the
other facilities.Â* Could be more of these, I suppose and the living
conditions are not as good as the bigger facilities.

My humble apologies.


No problem. I haven't seen a list and accompanying photos/videos of
every facility where these people are being stashed. I don't what what
the standards are for these facilities. I don't know how many kids were
separated from their moms or dads every month under previous presidents
and under Trump.

What I do know is that separating kids from their parents, siblings, et
cetera, is heartbreaking and presents Americans who really care about
how their country projects itself to them and to those outside the
country a true picture of the horrors of Trump & Thugs, Inc.

I know Trump thinks being tough on immigrants helps him with his base. I
don't think it will help him with anyone else, and anyone else is still
the majority in this country.


BTW ... with regard to another issue we discussed, I have learned that
indeed, there *is* a federal statute governing the separation of
kids and their parents in the detainee facilities.

The law says they cannot be separated for more than 72 hours.
As long as those kids who have parents are reunited before
then, the law is being followed.

I don't have any knowledge of how long they are being separated other
than one report that indicated they are "typically" reunited in two
days or less.

On 6/18/18 2:50 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/18/2018 2:13 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:


On 6/18/18 1:49 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

I stand corrected.Â* I recently discovered that there is at least one
other"detention" center besides the two I mentioned in previous posts.

It's a smaller one in Texas, near the border where illegals who have
been rounded up are held until they can be transferred to one of the
other facilities.Â* Could be more of these, I suppose and the living
conditions are not as good as the bigger facilities.

My humble apologies.


No problem. I haven't seen a list and accompanying photos/videos of
every facility where these people are being stashed. I don't what what
the standards are for these facilities. I don't know how many kids
were separated from their moms or dads every month under previous
presidents and under Trump.

What I do know is that separating kids from their parents, siblings,
et cetera, is heartbreaking and presents Americans who really care
about how their country projects itself to them and to those outside
the country a true picture of the horrors of Trump & Thugs, Inc.

I know Trump thinks being tough on immigrants helps him with his base.
I don't think it will help him with anyone else, and anyone else is
still the majority in this country.


BTW ... with regard to another issue we discussed, I have learned that
indeed, there *is* a federal statute governing the separation of
kids and their parents in the detainee facilities.

The law says they cannot be separated for more than 72 hours.
As long as those kids who have parents are reunited before
then, the law is being followed.

I don't have any knowledge of how long they are being separated other
than one report that indicated they are "typically" reunited in two
days or less.


I've heard reports that a number of the kids are not returned within 72
hours. Again, we don't have real data. I've also heard that the federal
agents handling this matter claim they are being overwhelmed by the
tremendous number of kids being detained away from their parents, and
that in one facility there were only four social workers looking out
over these kids over a 24 hour period. This is a real stink bomb.

On 6/18/2018 2:56 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 6/18/18 2:50 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/18/2018 2:13 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:


On 6/18/18 1:49 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

I stand corrected.Â* I recently discovered that there is at least one
other"detention" center besides the two I mentioned in previous posts.

It's a smaller one in Texas, near the border where illegals who have
been rounded up are held until they can be transferred to one of the
other facilities.Â* Could be more of these, I suppose and the living
conditions are not as good as the bigger facilities.

My humble apologies.


No problem. I haven't seen a list and accompanying photos/videos of
every facility where these people are being stashed. I don't what
what the standards are for these facilities. I don't know how many
kids were separated from their moms or dads every month under
previous presidents and under Trump.

What I do know is that separating kids from their parents, siblings,
et cetera, is heartbreaking and presents Americans who really care
about how their country projects itself to them and to those outside
the country a true picture of the horrors of Trump & Thugs, Inc.

I know Trump thinks being tough on immigrants helps him with his
base. I don't think it will help him with anyone else, and anyone
else is still the majority in this country.


BTW ... with regard to another issue we discussed, I have learned that
indeed, there *is* a federal statute governing the separation of
kids and their parents in the detainee facilities.

The law says they cannot be separated for more than 72 hours.
As long as those kids who have parents are reunited before
then, the law is being followed.

I don't have any knowledge of how long they are being separated other
than one report that indicated they are "typically" reunited in two
days or less.


I've heard reports that a number of the kids are not returned within 72
hours. Again, we don't have real data. I've also heard that the federal
agents handling this matter claim they are being overwhelmed by the
tremendous number of kids being detained away from their parents, and
that in one facility there were only four social workers looking out
over these kids over a 24 hour period. This is a real stink bomb.


It is and is not easily solved. Close one bureau draw and another pops
open. I suggested to BOA that there are really only a few choices:

1. Repeal all immigration laws and establish open borders.
2. Rewrite immigration laws that make you feel better.
3. Enforce existing immigration laws, which is what Trump
is doing.
4. Just keep blaming Trump for everything and be satisfied with the
status quo.
5. If you can't decide, just call Trump a pig and call it a day.

On 6/18/18 3:10 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/18/2018 2:56 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 6/18/18 2:50 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/18/2018 2:13 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:


On 6/18/18 1:49 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

I stand corrected.Â* I recently discovered that there is at least
one other"detention" center besides the two I mentioned in previous
posts.

It's a smaller one in Texas, near the border where illegals who have
been rounded up are held until they can be transferred to one of the
other facilities.Â* Could be more of these, I suppose and the living
conditions are not as good as the bigger facilities.

My humble apologies.


No problem. I haven't seen a list and accompanying photos/videos of
every facility where these people are being stashed. I don't what
what the standards are for these facilities. I don't know how many
kids were separated from their moms or dads every month under
previous presidents and under Trump.

What I do know is that separating kids from their parents, siblings,
et cetera, is heartbreaking and presents Americans who really care
about how their country projects itself to them and to those outside
the country a true picture of the horrors of Trump & Thugs, Inc.

I know Trump thinks being tough on immigrants helps him with his
base. I don't think it will help him with anyone else, and anyone
else is still the majority in this country.


BTW ... with regard to another issue we discussed, I have learned
that indeed, there *is* a federal statute governing the separation of
kids and their parents in the detainee facilities.

The law says they cannot be separated for more than 72 hours.
As long as those kids who have parents are reunited before
then, the law is being followed.

I don't have any knowledge of how long they are being separated other
than one report that indicated they are "typically" reunited in two
days or less.


I've heard reports that a number of the kids are not returned within
72 hours. Again, we don't have real data. I've also heard that the
federal agents handling this matter claim they are being overwhelmed
by the tremendous number of kids being detained away from their
parents, and that in one facility there were only four social workers
looking out over these kids over a 24 hour period. This is a real
stink bomb.


It is and is not easily solved.Â* Close one bureau draw and another pops
open. I suggested to BOA that there are really only a few choices:

1. Repeal all immigration laws and establish open borders.
2. Rewrite immigration laws that make you feel better.
3. Enforce existing immigration laws, which is what Trump
Â*Â* is doing.
4. Just keep blaming Trump for everything and be satisfied with the
Â*Â* status quo.
5. If you can't decide, just call Trump a pig and call it a day.


Several estimates state Trump will have 20,000 Latino kids in
detention/concentration camps by August. That seems to represent a
doubling of the number are there now. That should infuriate all but the
basest of Trump's base. But I am sure racist pigs like Herring will
still favor it.

There are more possibilities than you specify. Trump could end the
current practice of incarcerating Latino kids with one phone call.

On Mon, 18 Jun 2018 14:13:06 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/18/18 1:49 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

I stand corrected.* I recently discovered that there is at least one
other"detention" center besides the two I mentioned in previous posts.

It's a smaller one in Texas, near the border where illegals who have
been rounded up are held until they can be transferred to one of the
other facilities.* Could be more of these, I suppose and the living
conditions are not as good as the bigger facilities.

My humble apologies.


No problem. I haven't seen a list and accompanying photos/videos of
every facility where these people are being stashed. I don't what what
the standards are for these facilities. I don't know how many kids were
separated from their moms or dads every month under previous presidents
and under Trump.

What I do know is that separating kids from their parents, siblings, et
cetera, is heartbreaking and presents Americans who really care about
how their country projects itself to them and to those outside the
country a true picture of the horrors of Trump & Thugs, Inc.

I know Trump thinks being tough on immigrants helps him with his base. I
don't think it will help him with anyone else, and anyone else is still
the majority in this country.

So we should put kids in jails and penitentaries with their parents?

On Mon, 18 Jun 2018 16:05:11 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/18/18 3:10 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/18/2018 2:56 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 6/18/18 2:50 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/18/2018 2:13 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:


On 6/18/18 1:49 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

I stand corrected.* I recently discovered that there is at least
one other"detention" center besides the two I mentioned in previous
posts.

It's a smaller one in Texas, near the border where illegals who have
been rounded up are held until they can be transferred to one of the
other facilities.* Could be more of these, I suppose and the living
conditions are not as good as the bigger facilities.

My humble apologies.


No problem. I haven't seen a list and accompanying photos/videos of
every facility where these people are being stashed. I don't what
what the standards are for these facilities. I don't know how many
kids were separated from their moms or dads every month under
previous presidents and under Trump.

What I do know is that separating kids from their parents, siblings,
et cetera, is heartbreaking and presents Americans who really care
about how their country projects itself to them and to those outside
the country a true picture of the horrors of Trump & Thugs, Inc.

I know Trump thinks being tough on immigrants helps him with his
base. I don't think it will help him with anyone else, and anyone
else is still the majority in this country.


BTW ... with regard to another issue we discussed, I have learned
that indeed, there *is* a federal statute governing the separation of
kids and their parents in the detainee facilities.

The law says they cannot be separated for more than 72 hours.
As long as those kids who have parents are reunited before
then, the law is being followed.

I don't have any knowledge of how long they are being separated other
than one report that indicated they are "typically" reunited in two
days or less.


I've heard reports that a number of the kids are not returned within
72 hours. Again, we don't have real data. I've also heard that the
federal agents handling this matter claim they are being overwhelmed
by the tremendous number of kids being detained away from their
parents, and that in one facility there were only four social workers
looking out over these kids over a 24 hour period. This is a real
stink bomb.


It is and is not easily solved.* Close one bureau draw and another pops
open. I suggested to BOA that there are really only a few choices:

1. Repeal all immigration laws and establish open borders.
2. Rewrite immigration laws that make you feel better.
3. Enforce existing immigration laws, which is what Trump
** is doing.
4. Just keep blaming Trump for everything and be satisfied with the
** status quo.
5. If you can't decide, just call Trump a pig and call it a day.


Several estimates state Trump will have 20,000 Latino kids in
detention/concentration camps by August. That seems to represent a
doubling of the number are there now. That should infuriate all but the
basest of Trump's base. But I am sure racist pigs like Herring will
still favor it.

There are more possibilities than you specify. Trump could end the
current practice of incarcerating Latino kids with one phone call.


If enforcing the law is racist, then I qualify.