On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 15:42:27 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 12:09:42 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

The only thing I can think of .... and this will cause indigestion for
many here ... is a required registration of all guns
and strict enforcement of the required registration. If for some reason
you are found to be in possession of a firearm that is not registered to
you as it's owner, it results in immediate confiscation of that firearm.

===

The usual argument against mandatory registration is that in can be
seen as a first step towards confiscation. That might seem ridiculous
to some but it has happened elsewhere, and it's very hard to put the
toothpaste back in the tube once the information and law is out there.
It would turn a large percentage of the population into law breakers,
sort of like prohibition and the 55 mph speed limit.


Not so farfetched an idea.

https://www.npr.org/2018/03/27/59725...cond-amendment

I'd go along with total repeal if they substituted term limits as the new amendment.

Mr. Luddite

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On 6/29/2018 2:29 PM, Its Me wrote:Â*
On Friday, June 29, 2018 at 2:08:28 PM UTC-4, True North wrote:Â*
On Friday, 29 June 2018 15:00:50 UTC-3, John H Â*wrote:Â*
On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 10:57:08 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:Â*
Â*
On Friday, 29 June 2018 13:09:47 UTC-3, Mr. Luddite Â*wrote:Â*
On 6/29/2018 11:38 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:Â*
On 6/29/18 11:32 Â*wrote:Â*
On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 08:05:34 -0400, Keyser Soze Â*
wrote:Â*
Â*
On 6/28/18 10:55 Â*wrote:Â*
On Thu, 28 Jun 2018 21:13:47 -0400, Keyser Soze Â*
wrote:Â*
Â*
On 6/28/18 8:50 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:Â*
On 6/28/2018 8:38 PM, Tim wrote:Â*
Mr. LudditeÂ*
Â*
... shooting in Annapolis, MD ?Â*
..........Â*
Â*
This strict gun control laws are really paying off, aren’t they?Â*
Â*
Â*
Â*
Tim, it's more like this country has gone totally crazy and out ofÂ*
control.Â* No clues yet what this guy's motive was but it won'tÂ*
surprise me if he turns out to beÂ* a right wing nutcase.Â*
Â*
Â*
Well, for what it is worth, the police have identified the guy fromÂ*
photo recognition software. It was reported he did "something" toÂ*
obliterate his fingerprints. He's a white man, 39 years old, namedÂ*
Jarrod Warren Ramos, according to multiple law enforcement sources,Â*
whoÂ*
apparently lives in Laurel, Maryland.Â*
Â*
Ramos has a connection to the paper. He filed a defamation claim inÂ*
2012Â*
against the paper but the case was dismissed. He also has a minorÂ*
conviction for "harassment" some years ago.Â*
Â*
Â*
Â*
Tim thinks Maryland has "strict" gun laws. That's kind of funny, sinceÂ*
Maryland doesn't have "strict" gun laws.Â*
Â*
They have most of the things people are clamoring for asÂ* "sensible"Â*
or "common sense" gun lawsÂ*
* handgun license to buy oneÂ*
* handgun de facto registrationÂ*
*Assault Weapons banÂ*
* high cap magazine banÂ*
* universal background checks on all salesÂ*
* red flag lawÂ*
Â*
Do they still have that stupid fired case law?Â*
Â*
Â*
As I said, Maryland does not have strict gun laws.Â*
Â*
There is no "handgun license." There is a "handgun qualificationÂ*
license."Â* Even an idiot like Alex could get one.Â*
Â*
I'm not sure what "handgun de facto registration" means.Â*
Â*
There is no "assault weapons ban." Most AR-15 type rifles are banned ifÂ*
they don't have heavy barrels, but you can buy an AR-10 off the shelf,Â*
and any number of different semi-auto rifles.Â*
Â*
Only the sale of hi-cap mags are prohibited. Possession is legal, as isÂ*
buying them across the state line and bringing them into Maryland.Â*
Â*
I have no idea what a "red flag" law is.Â*
Â*
Your state is one of the ones the left uses for examples of sensibleÂ*
gun laws. BTE to enlighten you the red flag law mean they had theÂ*
ability to take Ramos' shotgun based on his social media rantings butÂ*
they didn't.Â*
Â*
Thanks for pointing out the futility tho.Â*
Â*
Â*
Ahh, so there's nothing that can be done. Let 'er rip!Â*
Â*
Â*
I've come to the conclusion that there really is nothing that canÂ*
be done in terms of new gun laws mainly because of how many gunsÂ*
already exist and the lack of records as to where they are or whoÂ*
owns them. Yeah, mandatory background checks, etc., may help but mostÂ*
places already have them.Â*
Â*
The only thing I can think of .... and this will cause indigestion forÂ*
many here ... is a required registration of all gunsÂ*
and strict enforcement of the required registration. Â*If for some reasonÂ*
you are found to be in possession of a firearm that is not registered toÂ*
you as it's owner, it results in immediate confiscation of that firearm.Â*
Â*
The data base or registry identifies the owner and the owner is heldÂ*
responsible for it and it's use. Â*If stolen, sold or legallyÂ*
transferred a report of that event or transfer would be required withinÂ*
48 hours.Â*
Â*
Not dissimilar for titles for vehicles.Â*
Â*
So to some ... go take an antacid.Â*
Â*
It's the tiny bit of liberal DNA in me.Â*
Â*
Gives us outsiders some hope that America can someday resolve this problem and stop the mad love affair with guns of all types.Â*
Â*
How would you do that, donnee boy?Â*
Â*
Used to be that old ex military types were the usual culprit in mass shootings so a good start would be yearly checks on your mental stability after the age of 60. hand guns should be totally banned...no exceptions except for law enforcement. Â*I'm sure y'all can come up with other effective actions.Â*
Â*


I think canaduh should just build a border wall and then you 'nadians can stop ****ing your pants in fear.Â*
Â*

"Let the Queen pay for it .. Â* :-)"


Not a chance. If we build it we'll make Trump pay for it.....well, either him or his Repugnant Party.

On 6/29/18 2:55 PM, Bill wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/29/2018 12:38 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 12:09:42 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/29/2018 11:38 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 6/29/18 11:32 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 08:05:34 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 6/28/18 10:55 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jun 2018 21:13:47 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 6/28/18 8:50 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/28/2018 8:38 PM, Tim wrote:
Mr. Luddite

... shooting in Annapolis, MD ?
..........

This strict gun control laws are really paying off, aren’t they?



Tim, it's more like this country has gone totally crazy and out of
control.Â* No clues yet what this guy's motive was but it won't
surprise me if he turns out to beÂ* a right wing nutcase.


Well, for what it is worth, the police have identified the guy from
photo recognition software. It was reported he did "something" to
obliterate his fingerprints. He's a white man, 39 years old, named
Jarrod Warren Ramos, according to multiple law enforcement sources,
who
apparently lives in Laurel, Maryland.

Ramos has a connection to the paper. He filed a defamation claim in
2012
against the paper but the case was dismissed. He also has a minor
conviction for "harassment" some years ago.



Tim thinks Maryland has "strict" gun laws. That's kind of funny, since
Maryland doesn't have "strict" gun laws.

They have most of the things people are clamoring for asÂ* "sensible"
or "common sense" gun laws
* handgun license to buy one
* handgun de facto registration
*Assault Weapons ban
* high cap magazine ban
* universal background checks on all sales
* red flag law

Do they still have that stupid fired case law?


As I said, Maryland does not have strict gun laws.

There is no "handgun license." There is a "handgun qualification
license."Â* Even an idiot like Alex could get one.

I'm not sure what "handgun de facto registration" means.

There is no "assault weapons ban." Most AR-15 type rifles are banned if
they don't have heavy barrels, but you can buy an AR-10 off the shelf,
and any number of different semi-auto rifles.

Only the sale of hi-cap mags are prohibited. Possession is legal, as is
buying them across the state line and bringing them into Maryland.

I have no idea what a "red flag" law is.

Your state is one of the ones the left uses for examples of sensible
gun laws. BTE to enlighten you the red flag law mean they had the
ability to take Ramos' shotgun based on his social media rantings but
they didn't.

Thanks for pointing out the futility tho.


Ahh, so there's nothing that can be done. Let 'er rip!


I've come to the conclusion that there really is nothing that can
be done in terms of new gun laws mainly because of how many guns
already exist and the lack of records as to where they are or who
owns them. Yeah, mandatory background checks, etc., may help but most
places already have them.

The only thing I can think of .... and this will cause indigestion for
many here ... is a required registration of all guns
and strict enforcement of the required registration. If for some reason
you are found to be in possession of a firearm that is not registered to
you as it's owner, it results in immediate confiscation of that firearm.

The data base or registry identifies the owner and the owner is held
responsible for it and it's use. If stolen, sold or legally
transferred a report of that event or transfer would be required within
48 hours.

Not dissimilar for titles for vehicles.

So to some ... go take an antacid.

It's the tiny bit of liberal DNA in me.


It would have done nothing in this case, The guy had no record, he
legally purchased a pretty mundane shotgun and he bought it a while
ago. The cops are saying he was not even on their radar. The newspaper
never pursued charges against the guy. The harassment charge did not
raise any red flags according to him but he did seem pretty nervous
about it.


So, like Harry says, "do nothing".

I am not suggesting a registration of all firearms to their owners is
going to prevent every nutcase from shooting someone. However, it may
help in terms of keeping track of who has what and what happens to the
guns if they get rid of them.

Actually, in this case, the guy *was* on the radar screen because of the
harassment case and his lawsuit. It's in the court records.

One of the questions on the form you fill out for a permit or renewal in
Massachusetts is:

“Have you ever *appeared* in any criminal court as a defendant for any
criminal offense or criminal traffic offense (excluding non-criminal
traffic offenses)?�

Note "appeared". Even the police department website points
this out. It doesn't say "arrested" or found guilty. It says "appeared".

You could have had the charges dismissed or found not guilty however
you are required to answer honestly and they check. An "appearance" may
not cause you to not get the permit or renewal however not answering
the question honestly *will* according the the Police Department
instructions.



How would you appear as a defendant in criminal court without an arrest?


Because they're not that interested in whether you were arrested. They
are interested in whether you went to court. If you were arrested, the
charges could be dropped before you went to court.

On 6/29/2018 3:42 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 12:09:42 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

The only thing I can think of .... and this will cause indigestion for
many here ... is a required registration of all guns
and strict enforcement of the required registration. If for some reason
you are found to be in possession of a firearm that is not registered to
you as it's owner, it results in immediate confiscation of that firearm.

===

The usual argument against mandatory registration is that in can be
seen as a first step towards confiscation. That might seem ridiculous
to some but it has happened elsewhere, and it's very hard to put the
toothpaste back in the tube once the information and law is out there.
It would turn a large percentage of the population into law breakers,
sort of like prohibition and the 55 mph speed limit.



Australia is often given as an example after their mandatory buy-back
of firearms following the 1996 massacre in Port Arthur, Tasmania, where
35 people were killed. Two buy-backs were conducted, one in 1997 and
the other in 2003. The buy-back program also included new laws
governing gun ownership and qualifications with restrictions on
automatic and semi-automatic rifles, pump action rifles and shotguns,
stricter requirements for the registration of all firearms and stricter
requirements for the storage of all firearms.

Here's what's interesting:

In the two decades following the reforms, the annual rate of gun deaths
fell from 2.9 per 100,000 in 1996 to 0.9 per 100,000 in 2016 yet
today, in 2018, there are more firearms privately owned in Australia
than there were before the buy back programs and tightening of firearms
laws.

That may suggest that the number of guns didn't make the difference.
It was getting the unregistered, unaccounted for guns out of the
hands of people that probably shouldn't have them and then being
more particular about who can own a firearm moving forward following
the buy backs.

On 6/29/18 4:12 PM, True North wrote:
Mr. Luddite

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On 6/29/2018 2:29 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Friday, June 29, 2018 at 2:08:28 PM UTC-4, True North wrote:
On Friday, 29 June 2018 15:00:50 UTC-3, John H Â*wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 10:57:08 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

On Friday, 29 June 2018 13:09:47 UTC-3, Mr. Luddite Â*wrote:
On 6/29/2018 11:38 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 6/29/18 11:32 Â*wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 08:05:34 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 6/28/18 10:55 Â*wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jun 2018 21:13:47 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 6/28/18 8:50 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/28/2018 8:38 PM, Tim wrote:
Mr. Luddite

... shooting in Annapolis, MD ?
..........

This strict gun control laws are really paying off, aren’t they?



Tim, it's more like this country has gone totally crazy and out of
control.Â* No clues yet what this guy's motive was but it won't
surprise me if he turns out to beÂ* a right wing nutcase.


Well, for what it is worth, the police have identified the guy from
photo recognition software. It was reported he did "something" to
obliterate his fingerprints. He's a white man, 39 years old, named
Jarrod Warren Ramos, according to multiple law enforcement sources,
who
apparently lives in Laurel, Maryland.

Ramos has a connection to the paper. He filed a defamation claim in
2012
against the paper but the case was dismissed. He also has a minor
conviction for "harassment" some years ago.



Tim thinks Maryland has "strict" gun laws. That's kind of funny, since
Maryland doesn't have "strict" gun laws.

They have most of the things people are clamoring for asÂ* "sensible"
or "common sense" gun laws
* handgun license to buy one
* handgun de facto registration
*Assault Weapons ban
* high cap magazine ban
* universal background checks on all sales
* red flag law

Do they still have that stupid fired case law?


As I said, Maryland does not have strict gun laws.

There is no "handgun license." There is a "handgun qualification
license."Â* Even an idiot like Alex could get one.

I'm not sure what "handgun de facto registration" means.

There is no "assault weapons ban." Most AR-15 type rifles are banned if
they don't have heavy barrels, but you can buy an AR-10 off the shelf,
and any number of different semi-auto rifles.

Only the sale of hi-cap mags are prohibited. Possession is legal, as is
buying them across the state line and bringing them into Maryland.

I have no idea what a "red flag" law is.

Your state is one of the ones the left uses for examples of sensible
gun laws. BTE to enlighten you the red flag law mean they had the
ability to take Ramos' shotgun based on his social media rantings but
they didn't.

Thanks for pointing out the futility tho.


Ahh, so there's nothing that can be done. Let 'er rip!


I've come to the conclusion that there really is nothing that can
be done in terms of new gun laws mainly because of how many guns
already exist and the lack of records as to where they are or who
owns them. Yeah, mandatory background checks, etc., may help but most
places already have them.

The only thing I can think of .... and this will cause indigestion for
many here ... is a required registration of all guns
and strict enforcement of the required registration. Â*If for some reason
you are found to be in possession of a firearm that is not registered to
you as it's owner, it results in immediate confiscation of that firearm.

The data base or registry identifies the owner and the owner is held
responsible for it and it's use. Â*If stolen, sold or legally
transferred a report of that event or transfer would be required within
48 hours.

Not dissimilar for titles for vehicles.

So to some ... go take an antacid.

It's the tiny bit of liberal DNA in me.

Gives us outsiders some hope that America can someday resolve this problem and stop the mad love affair with guns of all types.

How would you do that, donnee boy?

Used to be that old ex military types were the usual culprit in mass shootings so a good start would be yearly checks on your mental stability after the age of 60. hand guns should be totally banned...no exceptions except for law enforcement. Â*I'm sure y'all can come up with other effective actions.



I think canaduh should just build a border wall and then you 'nadians can stop ****ing your pants in fear.


"Let the Queen pay for it .. Â* :-)"


Not a chance. If we build it we'll make Trump pay for it.....well, either him or his Repugnant Party.



There's an idea...a wall protecting Canada and a wall protecting Mexico,
paid for by Trump. Love it.

On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 16:12:33 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/29/18 2:55 PM, Bill wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/29/2018 12:38 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 12:09:42 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/29/2018 11:38 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 6/29/18 11:32 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 08:05:34 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 6/28/18 10:55 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jun 2018 21:13:47 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 6/28/18 8:50 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/28/2018 8:38 PM, Tim wrote:
Mr. Luddite

... shooting in Annapolis, MD ?
..........

This strict gun control laws are really paying off, aren’t they?



Tim, it's more like this country has gone totally crazy and out of
control.* No clues yet what this guy's motive was but it won't
surprise me if he turns out to be* a right wing nutcase.


Well, for what it is worth, the police have identified the guy from
photo recognition software. It was reported he did "something" to
obliterate his fingerprints. He's a white man, 39 years old, named
Jarrod Warren Ramos, according to multiple law enforcement sources,
who
apparently lives in Laurel, Maryland.

Ramos has a connection to the paper. He filed a defamation claim in
2012
against the paper but the case was dismissed. He also has a minor
conviction for "harassment" some years ago.



Tim thinks Maryland has "strict" gun laws. That's kind of funny, since
Maryland doesn't have "strict" gun laws.

They have most of the things people are clamoring for as* "sensible"
or "common sense" gun laws
* handgun license to buy one
* handgun de facto registration
*Assault Weapons ban
* high cap magazine ban
* universal background checks on all sales
* red flag law

Do they still have that stupid fired case law?


As I said, Maryland does not have strict gun laws.

There is no "handgun license." There is a "handgun qualification
license."* Even an idiot like Alex could get one.

I'm not sure what "handgun de facto registration" means.

There is no "assault weapons ban." Most AR-15 type rifles are banned if
they don't have heavy barrels, but you can buy an AR-10 off the shelf,
and any number of different semi-auto rifles.

Only the sale of hi-cap mags are prohibited. Possession is legal, as is
buying them across the state line and bringing them into Maryland.

I have no idea what a "red flag" law is.

Your state is one of the ones the left uses for examples of sensible
gun laws. BTE to enlighten you the red flag law mean they had the
ability to take Ramos' shotgun based on his social media rantings but
they didn't.

Thanks for pointing out the futility tho.


Ahh, so there's nothing that can be done. Let 'er rip!


I've come to the conclusion that there really is nothing that can
be done in terms of new gun laws mainly because of how many guns
already exist and the lack of records as to where they are or who
owns them. Yeah, mandatory background checks, etc., may help but most
places already have them.

The only thing I can think of .... and this will cause indigestion for
many here ... is a required registration of all guns
and strict enforcement of the required registration. If for some reason
you are found to be in possession of a firearm that is not registered to
you as it's owner, it results in immediate confiscation of that firearm.

The data base or registry identifies the owner and the owner is held
responsible for it and it's use. If stolen, sold or legally
transferred a report of that event or transfer would be required within
48 hours.

Not dissimilar for titles for vehicles.

So to some ... go take an antacid.

It's the tiny bit of liberal DNA in me.


It would have done nothing in this case, The guy had no record, he
legally purchased a pretty mundane shotgun and he bought it a while
ago. The cops are saying he was not even on their radar. The newspaper
never pursued charges against the guy. The harassment charge did not
raise any red flags according to him but he did seem pretty nervous
about it.


So, like Harry says, "do nothing".

I am not suggesting a registration of all firearms to their owners is
going to prevent every nutcase from shooting someone. However, it may
help in terms of keeping track of who has what and what happens to the
guns if they get rid of them.

Actually, in this case, the guy *was* on the radar screen because of the
harassment case and his lawsuit. It's in the court records.

One of the questions on the form you fill out for a permit or renewal in
Massachusetts is:

“Have you ever *appeared* in any criminal court as a defendant for any
criminal offense or criminal traffic offense (excluding non-criminal
traffic offenses)?”

Note "appeared". Even the police department website points
this out. It doesn't say "arrested" or found guilty. It says "appeared".

You could have had the charges dismissed or found not guilty however
you are required to answer honestly and they check. An "appearance" may
not cause you to not get the permit or renewal however not answering
the question honestly *will* according the the Police Department
instructions.



How would you appear as a defendant in criminal court without an arrest?


Because they're not that interested in whether you were arrested. They
are interested in whether you went to court. If you were arrested, the
charges could be dropped before you went to court.

RTFQ!

See if you can figure that out.

John H. Wrote in message:
On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 16:12:33 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/29/18 2:55 PM, Bill wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/29/2018 12:38 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 12:09:42 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/29/2018 11:38 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 6/29/18 11:32 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 08:05:34 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 6/28/18 10:55 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jun 2018 21:13:47 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 6/28/18 8:50 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/28/2018 8:38 PM, Tim wrote:
Mr. Luddite

... shooting in Annapolis, MD ?
..........

This strict gun control laws are really paying off, aren’t they?



Tim, it's more like this country has gone totally crazy and out of
control. No clues yet what this guy's motive was but it won't
surprise me if he turns out to be a right wing nutcase.


Well, for what it is worth, the police have identified the guy from
photo recognition software. It was reported he did "something" to
obliterate his fingerprints. He's a white man, 39 years old, named
Jarrod Warren Ramos, according to multiple law enforcement sources,
who
apparently lives in Laurel, Maryland.

Ramos has a connection to the paper. He filed a defamation claim in
2012
against the paper but the case was dismissed. He also has a minor
conviction for "harassment" some years ago.



Tim thinks Maryland has "strict" gun laws. That's kind of funny, since
Maryland doesn't have "strict" gun laws.

They have most of the things people are clamoring for as "sensible"
or "common sense" gun laws
* handgun license to buy one
* handgun de facto registration
*Assault Weapons ban
* high cap magazine ban
* universal background checks on all sales
* red flag law

Do they still have that stupid fired case law?


As I said, Maryland does not have strict gun laws.

There is no "handgun license." There is a "handgun qualification
license." Even an idiot like Alex could get one.

I'm not sure what "handgun de facto registration" means.

There is no "assault weapons ban." Most AR-15 type rifles are banned if
they don't have heavy barrels, but you can buy an AR-10 off the shelf,
and any number of different semi-auto rifles.

Only the sale of hi-cap mags are prohibited. Possession is legal, as is
buying them across the state line and bringing them into Maryland.

I have no idea what a "red flag" law is.

Your state is one of the ones the left uses for examples of sensible
gun laws. BTE to enlighten you the red flag law mean they had the
ability to take Ramos' shotgun based on his social media rantings but
they didn't.

Thanks for pointing out the futility tho.


Ahh, so there's nothing that can be done. Let 'er rip!


I've come to the conclusion that there really is nothing that can
be done in terms of new gun laws mainly because of how many guns
already exist and the lack of records as to where they are or who
owns them. Yeah, mandatory background checks, etc., may help but most
places already have them.

The only thing I can think of .... and this will cause indigestion for
many here ... is a required registration of all guns
and strict enforcement of the required registration. If for some reason
you are found to be in possession of a firearm that is not registered to
you as it's owner, it results in immediate confiscation of that firearm.

The data base or registry identifies the owner and the owner is held
responsible for it and it's use. If stolen, sold or legally
transferred a report of that event or transfer would be required within
48 hours.

Not dissimilar for titles for vehicles.

So to some ... go take an antacid.

It's the tiny bit of liberal DNA in me.


It would have done nothing in this case, The guy had no record, he
legally purchased a pretty mundane shotgun and he bought it a while
ago. The cops are saying he was not even on their radar. The newspaper
never pursued charges against the guy. The harassment charge did not
raise any red flags according to him but he did seem pretty nervous
about it.


So, like Harry says, "do nothing".

I am not suggesting a registration of all firearms to their owners is
going to prevent every nutcase from shooting someone. However, it may
help in terms of keeping track of who has what and what happens to the
guns if they get rid of them.

Actually, in this case, the guy *was* on the radar screen because of the
harassment case and his lawsuit. It's in the court records.

One of the questions on the form you fill out for a permit or renewal in
Massachusetts is:

“Have you ever *appeared* in any criminal court as a defendant for any
criminal offense or criminal traffic offense (excluding non-criminal
traffic offenses)?”

Note "appeared". Even the police department website points
this out. It doesn't say "arrested" or found guilty. It says "appeared".

You could have had the charges dismissed or found not guilty however
you are required to answer honestly and they check. An "appearance" may
not cause you to not get the permit or renewal however not answering
the question honestly *will* according the the Police Department
instructions.



How would you appear as a defendant in criminal court without an arrest?


Because they're not that interested in whether you were arrested. They
are interested in whether you went to court. If you were arrested, the
charges could be dropped before you went to court.

RTFQ!

See if you can figure that out.


Fat Harry couldn't even figuure out how to dig a post hole.
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On 6/29/18 4:56 PM, justan wrote:
John H. Wrote in message:
On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 16:12:33 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/29/18 2:55 PM, Bill wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/29/2018 12:38 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 12:09:42 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/29/2018 11:38 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 6/29/18 11:32 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 08:05:34 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 6/28/18 10:55 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jun 2018 21:13:47 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 6/28/18 8:50 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/28/2018 8:38 PM, Tim wrote:
Mr. Luddite

... shooting in Annapolis, MD ?
..........

This strict gun control laws are really paying off, aren’t they?



Tim, it's more like this country has gone totally crazy and out of
control. No clues yet what this guy's motive was but it won't
surprise me if he turns out to be a right wing nutcase.


Well, for what it is worth, the police have identified the guy from
photo recognition software. It was reported he did "something" to
obliterate his fingerprints. He's a white man, 39 years old, named
Jarrod Warren Ramos, according to multiple law enforcement sources,
who
apparently lives in Laurel, Maryland.

Ramos has a connection to the paper. He filed a defamation claim in
2012
against the paper but the case was dismissed. He also has a minor
conviction for "harassment" some years ago.



Tim thinks Maryland has "strict" gun laws. That's kind of funny, since
Maryland doesn't have "strict" gun laws.

They have most of the things people are clamoring for as "sensible"
or "common sense" gun laws
* handgun license to buy one
* handgun de facto registration
*Assault Weapons ban
* high cap magazine ban
* universal background checks on all sales
* red flag law

Do they still have that stupid fired case law?


As I said, Maryland does not have strict gun laws.

There is no "handgun license." There is a "handgun qualification
license." Even an idiot like Alex could get one.

I'm not sure what "handgun de facto registration" means.

There is no "assault weapons ban." Most AR-15 type rifles are banned if
they don't have heavy barrels, but you can buy an AR-10 off the shelf,
and any number of different semi-auto rifles.

Only the sale of hi-cap mags are prohibited. Possession is legal, as is
buying them across the state line and bringing them into Maryland.

I have no idea what a "red flag" law is.

Your state is one of the ones the left uses for examples of sensible
gun laws. BTE to enlighten you the red flag law mean they had the
ability to take Ramos' shotgun based on his social media rantings but
they didn't.

Thanks for pointing out the futility tho.


Ahh, so there's nothing that can be done. Let 'er rip!


I've come to the conclusion that there really is nothing that can
be done in terms of new gun laws mainly because of how many guns
already exist and the lack of records as to where they are or who
owns them. Yeah, mandatory background checks, etc., may help but most
places already have them.

The only thing I can think of .... and this will cause indigestion for
many here ... is a required registration of all guns
and strict enforcement of the required registration. If for some reason
you are found to be in possession of a firearm that is not registered to
you as it's owner, it results in immediate confiscation of that firearm.

The data base or registry identifies the owner and the owner is held
responsible for it and it's use. If stolen, sold or legally
transferred a report of that event or transfer would be required within
48 hours.

Not dissimilar for titles for vehicles.

So to some ... go take an antacid.

It's the tiny bit of liberal DNA in me.


It would have done nothing in this case, The guy had no record, he
legally purchased a pretty mundane shotgun and he bought it a while
ago. The cops are saying he was not even on their radar. The newspaper
never pursued charges against the guy. The harassment charge did not
raise any red flags according to him but he did seem pretty nervous
about it.


So, like Harry says, "do nothing".

I am not suggesting a registration of all firearms to their owners is
going to prevent every nutcase from shooting someone. However, it may
help in terms of keeping track of who has what and what happens to the
guns if they get rid of them.

Actually, in this case, the guy *was* on the radar screen because of the
harassment case and his lawsuit. It's in the court records.

One of the questions on the form you fill out for a permit or renewal in
Massachusetts is:

“Have you ever *appeared* in any criminal court as a defendant for any
criminal offense or criminal traffic offense (excluding non-criminal
traffic offenses)?�

Note "appeared". Even the police department website points
this out. It doesn't say "arrested" or found guilty. It says "appeared".

You could have had the charges dismissed or found not guilty however
you are required to answer honestly and they check. An "appearance" may
not cause you to not get the permit or renewal however not answering
the question honestly *will* according the the Police Department
instructions.



How would you appear as a defendant in criminal court without an arrest?


Because they're not that interested in whether you were arrested. They
are interested in whether you went to court. If you were arrested, the
charges could be dropped before you went to court.

RTFQ!

See if you can figure that out.


Fat Harry couldn't even figuure out how to dig a post hole.


Sure I could. I'd call a minimum wage worker like you and hand you a
shovel. Of course, I'd try to find a Mexican to supervise you.

On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 12:28:47 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 6/29/18 12:09 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/29/2018 11:38 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 6/29/18 11:32 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 08:05:34 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 6/28/18 10:55 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jun 2018 21:13:47 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 6/28/18 8:50 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/28/2018 8:38 PM, Tim wrote:
Mr. Luddite

... shooting in Annapolis, MD ?
..........

This strict gun control laws are really paying off, aren’t they?



Tim, it's more like this country has gone totally crazy and out of
control.Â* No clues yet what this guy's motive was but it won't
surprise me if he turns out to beÂ* a right wing nutcase.


Well, for what it is worth, the police have identified the guy from
photo recognition software. It was reported he did "something" to
obliterate his fingerprints. He's a white man, 39 years old, named
Jarrod Warren Ramos, according to multiple law enforcement
sources, who
apparently lives in Laurel, Maryland.

Ramos has a connection to the paper. He filed a defamation claim
in 2012
against the paper but the case was dismissed. He also has a minor
conviction for "harassment" some years ago.



Tim thinks Maryland has "strict" gun laws. That's kind of funny,
since
Maryland doesn't have "strict" gun laws.

They have most of the things people are clamoring for asÂ* "sensible"
or "common sense" gun laws
* handgun license to buy one
* handgun de facto registration
*Assault Weapons ban
* high cap magazine ban
* universal background checks on all sales
* red flag law

Do they still have that stupid fired case law?


As I said, Maryland does not have strict gun laws.

There is no "handgun license." There is a "handgun qualification
license."Â* Even an idiot like Alex could get one.

I'm not sure what "handgun de facto registration" means.

There is no "assault weapons ban." Most AR-15 type rifles are banned if
they don't have heavy barrels, but you can buy an AR-10 off the shelf,
and any number of different semi-auto rifles.

Only the sale of hi-cap mags are prohibited. Possession is legal, as is
buying them across the state line and bringing them into Maryland.

I have no idea what a "red flag" law is.

Your state is one of the ones the left uses for examples of sensible
gun laws. BTE to enlighten you the red flag law mean they had the
ability to take Ramos' shotgun based on his social media rantings but
they didn't.

Thanks for pointing out the futility tho.


Ahh, so there's nothing that can be done. Let 'er rip!


I've come to the conclusion that there really is nothing that can
be done in terms of new gun laws mainly because of how many guns
already exist and the lack of records as to where they are or who
owns them. Yeah, mandatory background checks, etc., may help but most
places already have them.

The only thing I can think of .... and this will cause indigestion for
many here ... is a required registration of all guns
and strict enforcement of the required registration.Â* If for some reason
you are found to be in possession of a firearm that is not registered to
you as it's owner, it results in immediate confiscation of that firearm.

The data base or registry identifies the owner and the owner is held
responsible for it and it's use.Â* If stolen, sold or legally
transferred a report of that event or transfer would be required within
48 hours.

Not dissimilar for titles for vehicles.

So to some ... go take an antacid.

It's the tiny bit of liberal DNA in me.







I'd certainly support complete registration of all firearms as a decent
start. Used firearms must be registered, too. Along with the
registration, a mandatory background check of the purchaser. All
firearms, no exceptions.

That would not have changed any of the recent shootings at all.
They had no problem tracing this guy's shotgun back to the dealer
within hours. What would registration do?

On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 12:42:39 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/29/2018 12:28 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 6/29/18 12:09 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/29/2018 11:38 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 6/29/18 11:32 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 08:05:34 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 6/28/18 10:55 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jun 2018 21:13:47 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 6/28/18 8:50 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/28/2018 8:38 PM, Tim wrote:
Mr. Luddite

... shooting in Annapolis, MD ?
..........

This strict gun control laws are really paying off, aren’t they?



Tim, it's more like this country has gone totally crazy and out of
control.Â* No clues yet what this guy's motive was but it won't
surprise me if he turns out to beÂ* a right wing nutcase.


Well, for what it is worth, the police have identified the guy from
photo recognition software. It was reported he did "something" to
obliterate his fingerprints. He's a white man, 39 years old, named
Jarrod Warren Ramos, according to multiple law enforcement
sources, who
apparently lives in Laurel, Maryland.

Ramos has a connection to the paper. He filed a defamation claim
in 2012
against the paper but the case was dismissed. He also has a minor
conviction for "harassment" some years ago.



Tim thinks Maryland has "strict" gun laws. That's kind of funny,
since
Maryland doesn't have "strict" gun laws.

They have most of the things people are clamoring for asÂ* "sensible"
or "common sense" gun laws
* handgun license to buy one
* handgun de facto registration
*Assault Weapons ban
* high cap magazine ban
* universal background checks on all sales
* red flag law

Do they still have that stupid fired case law?


As I said, Maryland does not have strict gun laws.

There is no "handgun license." There is a "handgun qualification
license."Â* Even an idiot like Alex could get one.

I'm not sure what "handgun de facto registration" means.

There is no "assault weapons ban." Most AR-15 type rifles are
banned if
they don't have heavy barrels, but you can buy an AR-10 off the shelf,
and any number of different semi-auto rifles.

Only the sale of hi-cap mags are prohibited. Possession is legal,
as is
buying them across the state line and bringing them into Maryland.

I have no idea what a "red flag" law is.

Your state is one of the ones the left uses for examples of sensible
gun laws. BTE to enlighten you the red flag law mean they had the
ability to take Ramos' shotgun based on his social media rantings but
they didn't.

Thanks for pointing out the futility tho.


Ahh, so there's nothing that can be done. Let 'er rip!


I've come to the conclusion that there really is nothing that can
be done in terms of new gun laws mainly because of how many guns
already exist and the lack of records as to where they are or who
owns them. Yeah, mandatory background checks, etc., may help but most
places already have them.

The only thing I can think of .... and this will cause indigestion for
many here ... is a required registration of all guns
and strict enforcement of the required registration.Â* If for some
reason you are found to be in possession of a firearm that is not
registered to
you as it's owner, it results in immediate confiscation of that firearm.

The data base or registry identifies the owner and the owner is held
responsible for it and it's use.Â* If stolen, sold or legally
transferred a report of that event or transfer would be required within
48 hours.

Not dissimilar for titles for vehicles.

So to some ... go take an antacid.

It's the tiny bit of liberal DNA in me.







I'd certainly support complete registration of all firearms as a decent
start. Used firearms must be registered, too. Along with the
registration, a mandatory background check of the purchaser. All
firearms, no exceptions.


I guess it doesn't bother me to do this since all my guns are already
registered to me in a data base that the state keeps. It's not a bother
or hassle in any way and doesn't restrict my ability to have and use them.

If I sell one an easy to file (on-line from home) report of the
transaction is sent to the state with the gun serial number, my permit
number and the new owner's permit number. Takes all of 5 minutes to do.

If lost or stolen a similar report is made to the state. No big deal.


It is all just meaningless bureaucracy tho. We have not had a "who
done it" mass shooting since the DC sniper and they still had the gun
at the same time they had the shooter.