"K Smith" wrote in message
...
snip

And thanks to all!!! so just to keep the record straight; again
Billgran has been caught spamming this NG with deceptive Ficht BS, as
he
has from the beginning of this consumer funded disaster.

Don't buy Ficht no matter what new name they put on it!! from anyone,
not ever!!!!


K

I always wondered if these surveys were like getting "voted Motor Trend
Car of the Year". :-)

Anyway they don't really address the issue with the DFI motors,
reliability. This is more an initial quality thing. And it shows that
most boat buyers are sort of clueless. The DFI motors have a lot of
very nice performance attributes. Lower gas and oil consumption,
although did merc ever figure out why some Optimaxes were sucking oil?
No smoke, nice smooth idle, start right up without having to know the
magic spell. The only negative aspect was weight to some extent, and
medium to long term reliability. Yes I know Ficht had a bad early life
failure rate, but incompetent management could screw up a concrete
block.

In a few years we will know if the Bombardier Ficht and ETech motors are
in fact reliable in normal service. Of course I wonder if there will
ever be 20 year old Fichts and Optimaxes buzzing around minnesota lakes
like there are 20 year old carb'd motors.

Or will 2 stroke outboards go the way of 2 stroke motorcycles. Killed
by zealous bureaucrats in the name of Sacred Gaia.

We shall see what we shall see.

del cecchi

Jack Rye wrote:
J.D. Power and Associates Reports:
Yamaha Sweeps Outboard Engine Awards


New Boat Owners Report Fewest Problems
With Four-Stroke EFI Engines

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: September 4, 2002

WESTLAKE VILLAGE, Calif.-Yamaha ranks highest in both two- and four-stroke
outboard engine categories, according to the J.D. Power and Associates 2002
Marine Engine Competitive Information StudySM released today.

The study is based on responses of nearly 12,000 consumers who purchased a
new boat during the 2001 calendar year. Boat owners were asked about their
on-the-water experience with their new outboard, sterndrive or inboard boat
engines. Study results were calculated using an engine performance index,
which includes eight engine attributes: ease of starting when engine is
cold; ease of starting when engine is hot; quietness of the engine at
cruising speed; ability of boat to accelerate rapidly; cruising speed of
boat; engine fumes; cruise time/range between fuel stops; and the standard
warranty coverage of the engine.

Yamaha achieves the highest index score among two-stroke outboard engines,
with high marks for reliability, ease of starting, and ability to accelerate
rapidly, as well as warranty coverage and claim handling. Evinrude, with
high marks for engine cruising speed, and Mercury, with strong performance
in fuel economy and low engine fumes, follow Yamaha in the two-stroke engine
segment rankings.

In the four-stroke engine segment, Yamaha has strong performance in nearly
every key engine attribute measured, particularly in the ability to
accelerate rapidly and for cruising speed. Honda and Evinrude follow Yamaha
in the four-stroke engine rankings. Honda receives high marks for quietness
at cruising speed and low engine fumes.

Since there are only two sterndrive engine manufacturers and three inboard
engine manufacturers, no index scores were calculated or awards given in
these segments. However, Volvo Penta performs particularly well in the
sterndrive segment. Volvo is noted for ease of starting, rapid acceleration,
cruising speed, fuel economy and warranty coverage. All three of the
ski/wakeboard engine manufacturers-PCM, Indmar and Mercruiser-fare well in
the inboard segment. PCM, the engine used in Correct Craft ski boats,
performs particularly well in ease of starting, rapid acceleration and
warranty coverage.

Of the three major engine categories measured, consumers are most pleased
with inboards, followed by sterndrives and outboards. Owners of
ski/wakeboard boats equipped with inboard motors are not only significantly
more satisfied with their engines, but also report less than half the number
of problems than did owners of sterndrive- and outboard-powered boats.

One issue boat owners repeatedly raised in the study is that the engine
doesn't have enough power for the size of the boat or for their overall
boating needs.

"The study clearly indicates that consumers who select their own engine are
significantly more satisfied with their propulsion than those who opt for
the base boat-engine package," said Eric Sorensen, director of the marine
practice at J.D. Power and Associates. "The importance of installing an
engine with sufficient power cannot be overstated because it impacts so many
elements of the boating experience. An underpowered boat will be a
disappointment for the owner every time it's used and reflects poorly on
both the engine and boat brands."

The study indicates that engine warranty coverage, which includes the way
warranty claims are handled, rates lower than any other engine-related
attribute.

"Handling warranty claims is one of the most important attributes in the
minds of boat owners," Sorensen said. "People who buy boats also buy
automobiles, and they're used to a much higher standard in both service and
warranty-related performance. If marine engine manufactures want to build or
even maintain customer loyalty, this is one key area to pay attention to.
Given the importance to the owner, there are many manufacturers that need to
make a concerted effort to improve in this area."

Regarding quality, one-third of outboard-powered boat owners report
engine-related problems. Owners of new boats with four-stroke electronic
fuel injection (EFI) outboard engines report the fewest number of engine
problems, while owners of boats with two-stroke carburated outboard engines
report the most problems, according to the study.

Consumers who purchased a new boat equipped with a two-stroke outboard
engine report twice as many problems as those who purchased a boat equipped
with a four-stroke outboard engine. In general, the study finds that for
both two- and four-stroke engines, the larger the engine, the fewer the
reported problems.

"Among the five technologies used in outboard engines, the quality level of
four-stroke EFI and carburated engines is unparalleled," Sorensen said. "In
additional to quality, four-stroke engines are cleaner and quieter than
two-stroke engines and are very fuel efficient. The fact that they weigh and
cost more, and don't accelerate as rapidly as two-strokes is not much of a
deterrent for many boat owners."

Headquartered in Westlake Village, Calif., J.D. Power and Associates is a
global marketing information services firm operating in key business sectors
including market research, forecasting, consulting, training and customer
satisfaction. The firm's quality and satisfaction measurements are based on
responses from millions of consumers annually. Media e-mail contact:
or .

No advertising or other promotional use can be made of the information in
this release without the express prior written consent of J.D. Power and
Associates. www.jdpa.com


& the paying winner is???

K



Jack

"Billgran" wrote in message
news
FORT LAUDERDALE - Familiar names dominate the 2003 list of J.D. Customer
Satisfaction Award winners announced this morning at the Fort Lauderdale
International Boat Show.


Winners in the engine categories we

2-STROKE OUTBOARDS - Evinrude, followed by Yamaha and Mercury.

4-STROKE OUTBOARDS - Yamaha, for the second consecutive year, followed by
Honda and Mercury.

INBOARDS - PCM (Pleasurecraft Marine), followed by Indmar and MerCrusier.


After receiving honorable mentions a few years ago, and a fairly close
second place last year, FICHT is now #1 in customer satisfaction survey.

Harry Krause wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 19:28:34 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:


Gould 0738 wrote:

So, Gould, are you suggesting Yamaha, and Mercury didn't pay for inclusion in
the survey? How about the others? Think they didn't pay to play?


The survey company doesn't just wake up some morning, yawn and stretch, and
say,
"I think it's time to do outboard motors!"

What happens in these situations is that the survey company has salespeople who
are continuously pitching prospective clients about the incredible value that
the marketing research will bring to the company's business. In fact, the
survey company will be glad to conduct a survey in the prospect's industry for
the small sum of just $XXXXXX.XX.

The surveys are performed for individual, corporate, clients. The questions can
easily be shaped so that the answers are predictable.

Suppose that Anchor Company A agreed to have J.D. Pourboy Surveys do a survey
among boaters to determine what sort of ground tackle people prefer. J.D.
Pourboy Surveys will charge Anchor Company A a $10,000 retainer, $10 apiece for
mailing 4,000 surveys, and another $10k to tabulate the results. (The whole
project can be completed by two part time employees in about a month).

Now, when JD Pourboy shows up at the Anchor CO office wth survey in hand and
says, "Well, we ran the survey. Everybody says your gear is crap and they'd
rather use a concrete block on a kite string than
one of your anchors and rode"..........you suppose the Anchor Co is going to be
happy to write that check for the final $50k? No, no, no.

So, how does J.D. Pourboy make sure that Anchor Co come out mile ahead of the
competition? Anchor Co is the only maker of anchors that includes a buoy and a
release line as standard equipment. Questions are designed that get
affirmations from surfey takers that ease of release and the ability to know
the anchor's actual position are critically important and make a product
better.

Another technique is the not-so-blind mailing list. Anchor Co A has the names
and addresses of several thousand people who have bought a single Anchor Co A
hook, and even the names of several hundred people who have purchased two or
three over the years. (satisfied customers)
Using the mailing list provided by the Anchor Company itself as a major portion
of the survey mailing is a sure way to get a high percentage of favorable
responses.

When Consumer Reports does a study, you need to buy the magazine to get the
information. That's how they make their money. Every pay anything to see the
results of a JD Powers Survey? Ask yourself; "How do they make any money?"



I participated in a Powers survey on my Yamahfa F225. It was
straightforward and met generally accepted, legit survey standards.

There were several ways to respond to different parts of the survey, on
a 1-20 scale and on an excellent to poor scale.

I see a lot of these kind of surveys and I even write some from time to
time. You're way over the top on this Chuck.



Make that a 1-10 scale, not a 1-20 scale. Sheesh.

And thanks to all!!! so just to keep the record straight; again
Billgran has been caught spamming this NG with deceptive Ficht BS, as he
has from the beginning of this consumer funded disaster.

Don't buy Ficht no matter what new name they put on it!! from anyone,
not ever!!!!


K

Harry Krause wrote:
Gould 0738 wrote:

So, Gould, are you suggesting Yamaha, and Mercury didn't pay for
inclusion in
the survey? How about the others? Think they didn't pay to play?



The survey company doesn't just wake up some morning, yawn and
stretch, and
say,
"I think it's time to do outboard motors!"

What happens in these situations is that the survey company has
salespeople who
are continuously pitching prospective clients about the incredible
value that
the marketing research will bring to the company's business. In fact, the
survey company will be glad to conduct a survey in the prospect's
industry for
the small sum of just $XXXXXX.XX.

The surveys are performed for individual, corporate, clients. The
questions can
easily be shaped so that the answers are predictable.

Suppose that Anchor Company A agreed to have J.D. Pourboy Surveys do a
survey
among boaters to determine what sort of ground tackle people prefer. J.D.
Pourboy Surveys will charge Anchor Company A a $10,000 retainer, $10
apiece for
mailing 4,000 surveys, and another $10k to tabulate the results. (The
whole
project can be completed by two part time employees in about a month).

Now, when JD Pourboy shows up at the Anchor CO office wth survey in
hand and
says, "Well, we ran the survey. Everybody says your gear is crap and
they'd
rather use a concrete block on a kite string than
one of your anchors and rode"..........you suppose the Anchor Co is
going to be
happy to write that check for the final $50k? No, no, no.

So, how does J.D. Pourboy make sure that Anchor Co come out mile ahead
of the
competition? Anchor Co is the only maker of anchors that includes a
buoy and a
release line as standard equipment. Questions are designed that get
affirmations from surfey takers that ease of release and the ability
to know
the anchor's actual position are critically important and make a product
better.

Another technique is the not-so-blind mailing list. Anchor Co A has
the names
and addresses of several thousand people who have bought a single
Anchor Co A
hook, and even the names of several hundred people who have purchased
two or
three over the years. (satisfied customers)
Using the mailing list provided by the Anchor Company itself as a
major portion
of the survey mailing is a sure way to get a high percentage of favorable
responses.

When Consumer Reports does a study, you need to buy the magazine to
get the
information. That's how they make their money. Every pay anything to
see the
results of a JD Powers Survey? Ask yourself; "How do they make any
money?"



I participated in a Powers survey on my Yamahfa F225. It was
straightforward and met generally accepted, legit survey standards.

Lies upon lies nothing more!! Harry does not & probably never will
"own" any OB nor boat. BS absolute BS he slimes his way into the graces
of real boat owners, then pretends it's "his" boat till they shop him &
tell him to **** off. It happened very quickly with the lie lobster boat
but because the real owner of the Parker is obviously a busy bloke it's
taking longer this time, so the liar of all time has a problem he can't
explain why the boat isn't used, so he reverts back to his original lie
that he's using "his" other lie the custom naval architect designed &
custom built 36ft lobster boat.


There were several ways to respond to different parts of the survey, on
a 1-20 scale and on an excellent to poor scale.

Gee he's seen the survey form?? probably not!! more likely it's been in
a boating magazine where he gathers many of his lies.

I see a lot of these kind of surveys and I even write some from time to
time. You're way over the top on this Chuck.

Another "I am" lie from Harry!!! Is there no end to his BS!!! He can't
write, has never written nor understood anything here, he just pastes
deceptive lefty articles or plagiarises others in the NG. He's near
illiterate proving once & for all the reason he can't substantiate any
of his education lies from 3 yrs of med to 4 degrees 2 masters is
because it's ALL untrue. I have to comment this time even Chuck, an
actual real writer, can't stay silent, good on ya Chuckster.

K

Jack Rye wrote:
.D. Power and Associates Reports:
Technology Plays Major Role in Marine Engine
Purchase Decisions by Consumers

Evinrude and Yamaha Rank Highest in Customer Satisfaction
Among Outboard Engines and Pleasurecraft Engine Group
Ranks Highest Among Inboard Engines

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: October 30, 2003


WESTLAKE VILLAGE, Calif.-Less than one-third of boat owners indicate that
they thoroughly understand the benefits of different marine engine
technologies available on the market today and that engine technology plays
a major role in their engine purchase decision, according to the J.D. Power
and Associates 2003 Marine Engine Competitive Information StudySM released
today.

Among the more than 10,000 boat owners who responded to the survey, only 30
percent report that they thoroughly understand the benefits of engine
technologies such as direct injection, electronic fuel injection, and two-
and four-stroke. More than 20 percent of boaters indicate that they do not
have a sound understanding of engine technologies. While only about
one-quarter of first-time boat buyers indicate that their marine engine
purchase decision was impacted by technology, that number more than doubles
for buyers who have previously owned a marine engine.

"Technology, particularly two-stroke direct injection (DI) and four-stroke
electronic fuel injection (EFI), is having a major impact on the engines
consumers shop for and ultimately purchase for their new boat," said Eric
Sorensen, director of the marine practice at J.D. Power and Associates. "The
industry still has some work to do in educating consumers on the pros and
cons of each of the technologies. First-time boat buyers definitely should
be made more aware of the benefits of high-technology engines and the
drawbacks of carbureted engines."

The study finds that engine technology affects the engine purchase decisions
of coastal fishing, pontoon and fiberglass bass boat owners to a higher
degree and to runabout and express cruiser boat owners to a lesser degree.

Among the five technologies used in outboard engines, owners of new boats
with four-stroke EFI outboard engines report the fewest number of engine
problems, while owners of boats with two-stroke carburated outboard engines
report the most problems.

"The four-stroke electronic fuel injection engines set the benchmark when it
comes to quality," Sorensen said. "They are very reliable, run clean and
quiet, and are very fuel efficient. The trade-off is that they're bigger and
heavier, cost more and don't accelerate as rapidly as two-strokes."

Among the three major engine categories measured, consumers are most pleased
with inboards, followed by outboards and sterndrives. Owners of
ski/wakeboard boats equipped with inboard motors are not only significantly
more satisfied with their engines, but also report less than one-half the
number of problems than do owners of sterndrive and outboard-powered boats.

One issue boat owners repeatedly raise is that the engine doesn't have
enough power for the size of the boat or for their overall boating needs.
Under powering a boat negatively impacts some of the most important
attributes, such as acceleration and cruise and top-end speed.

"Boat dealers are increasingly listening to consumers, trying to understand
where and how they plan to use their new boat so they can find the proper
boat/engine fit for their needs," said Sorensen. "But there still is some
work to be done. The engine impacts so many elements of the boating
experience that it is absolutely vital that boat dealers make sure their
customers are getting the right boat/engine package."

The study is based on responses from consumers who purchased a new 2002 or
2003 model-year boat between January 2002 and February 2003. Boat owners
were asked about their on-the-water experience with their new outboard,
sterndrive or inboard boat engines. Study results were calculated using an
engine performance index, which includes eight engine factors: ease of
starting when engine is cold; ease of starting when engine is hot; quietness
of the engine at cruising speed; ability of boat to accelerate rapidly;
cruising speed of boat; engine fumes; cruise time/range between fuel stops;
and the standard warranty coverage of the engine.

Evinrude ranks highest among two-stroke outboard engines, with high marks
for cruise time/range between fuel stops and lack of engine fumes. Yamaha
follows Evinrude in the two-stroke engine segment rankings. Yamaha receives
high marks for quietness at cruising speed, ease of starting when hot and
standard warranty coverage.

Yamaha ranks highest in the four-stroke engine segment for the second
consecutive year. Yamaha has strong performance for ease of starting when
cold and cruising speed. Honda, which follows Yamaha in the four-stroke
outboard rankings, receives high marks for cruise time/range between fuel
stops and standard warranty coverage.

Pleasurecraft Engine Group (PCM) ranks highest among inboard engines,
receiving high marks for all key engine attributes measured. Indmar, which
follows PCM in the rankings, performs well in for cruise time/range between
fuel stops and standard warranty coverage.

Headquartered in Westlake Village, Calif., J.D. Power and Associates is an
ISO 9001-registered global marketing information services firm operating in
key business sectors including market research, forecasting, consulting,
training and customer satisfaction. Media e-mail contact:
or

No advertising or other promotional use can be made of the information in
this release without the express prior written consent of J.D. Power and
Associates.

Jack

thanks Jack good pastes.

K

"Jack Rye" .# wrote in message
news:lguob.37962$Rd4.2160@fed1read07...

J.D. Power and Associates Reports:
Yamaha Sweeps Outboard Engine Awards


New Boat Owners Report Fewest Problems
With Four-Stroke EFI Engines

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: September 4, 2002

WESTLAKE VILLAGE, Calif.-Yamaha ranks highest in both two- and four-stroke
outboard engine categories, according to the J.D. Power and Associates

2002

Marine Engine Competitive Information StudySM released today.

The study is based on responses of nearly 12,000 consumers who purchased a
new boat during the 2001 calendar year. Boat owners were asked about their
on-the-water experience with their new outboard, sterndrive or inboard

boat

engines. Study results were calculated using an engine performance index,
which includes eight engine attributes: ease of starting when engine is
cold; ease of starting when engine is hot; quietness of the engine at
cruising speed; ability of boat to accelerate rapidly; cruising speed of
boat; engine fumes; cruise time/range between fuel stops; and the standard
warranty coverage of the engine.

Yamaha achieves the highest index score among two-stroke outboard engines,
with high marks for reliability, ease of starting, and ability to

accelerate

rapidly, as well as warranty coverage and claim handling. Evinrude, with
high marks for engine cruising speed, and Mercury, with strong performance
in fuel economy and low engine fumes, follow Yamaha in the two-stroke

engine

segment rankings.

In the four-stroke engine segment, Yamaha has strong performance in nearly
every key engine attribute measured, particularly in the ability to
accelerate rapidly and for cruising speed. Honda and Evinrude follow

Yamaha

in the four-stroke engine rankings. Honda receives high marks for

quietness

at cruising speed and low engine fumes.

Since there are only two sterndrive engine manufacturers and three inboard
engine manufacturers, no index scores were calculated or awards given in
these segments. However, Volvo Penta performs particularly well in the
sterndrive segment. Volvo is noted for ease of starting, rapid

acceleration,

cruising speed, fuel economy and warranty coverage. All three of the
ski/wakeboard engine manufacturers-PCM, Indmar and Mercruiser-fare well in
the inboard segment. PCM, the engine used in Correct Craft ski boats,
performs particularly well in ease of starting, rapid acceleration and
warranty coverage.

Of the three major engine categories measured, consumers are most pleased
with inboards, followed by sterndrives and outboards. Owners of
ski/wakeboard boats equipped with inboard motors are not only

significantly

more satisfied with their engines, but also report less than half the

number

of problems than did owners of sterndrive- and outboard-powered boats.

One issue boat owners repeatedly raised in the study is that the engine
doesn't have enough power for the size of the boat or for their overall
boating needs.

"The study clearly indicates that consumers who select their own engine

are

significantly more satisfied with their propulsion than those who opt for
the base boat-engine package," said Eric Sorensen, director of the marine
practice at J.D. Power and Associates. "The importance of installing an
engine with sufficient power cannot be overstated because it impacts so

many

elements of the boating experience. An underpowered boat will be a
disappointment for the owner every time it's used and reflects poorly on
both the engine and boat brands."

The study indicates that engine warranty coverage, which includes the way
warranty claims are handled, rates lower than any other engine-related
attribute.

"Handling warranty claims is one of the most important attributes in the
minds of boat owners," Sorensen said. "People who buy boats also buy
automobiles, and they're used to a much higher standard in both service

and

warranty-related performance. If marine engine manufactures want to build

or

even maintain customer loyalty, this is one key area to pay attention to.
Given the importance to the owner, there are many manufacturers that need

to

make a concerted effort to improve in this area."

Regarding quality, one-third of outboard-powered boat owners report
engine-related problems. Owners of new boats with four-stroke electronic
fuel injection (EFI) outboard engines report the fewest number of engine
problems, while owners of boats with two-stroke carburated outboard

engines

report the most problems, according to the study.

Consumers who purchased a new boat equipped with a two-stroke outboard
engine report twice as many problems as those who purchased a boat

equipped

with a four-stroke outboard engine. In general, the study finds that for
both two- and four-stroke engines, the larger the engine, the fewer the
reported problems.

"Among the five technologies used in outboard engines, the quality level

of

four-stroke EFI and carburated engines is unparalleled," Sorensen said.

"In

additional to quality, four-stroke engines are cleaner and quieter than
two-stroke engines and are very fuel efficient. The fact that they weigh

and

cost more, and don't accelerate as rapidly as two-strokes is not much of a
deterrent for many boat owners."

Headquartered in Westlake Village, Calif., J.D. Power and Associates is a
global marketing information services firm operating in key business

sectors

including market research, forecasting, consulting, training and customer
satisfaction. The firm's quality and satisfaction measurements are based

on

responses from millions of consumers annually. Media e-mail contact:
or .

No advertising or other promotional use can be made of the information in
this release without the express prior written consent of J.D. Power and
Associates. www.jdpa.com



Jack

"Billgran" wrote in message
news
FORT LAUDERDALE - Familiar names dominate the 2003 list of J.D. Customer
Satisfaction Award winners announced this morning at the Fort Lauderdale
International Boat Show.


Winners in the engine categories we

2-STROKE OUTBOARDS - Evinrude, followed by Yamaha and Mercury.

4-STROKE OUTBOARDS - Yamaha, for the second consecutive year, followed

by

Honda and Mercury.

INBOARDS - PCM (Pleasurecraft Marine), followed by Indmar and

MerCrusier.


After receiving honorable mentions a few years ago, and a fairly close
second place last year, FICHT is now #1 in customer satisfaction survey.

Rick wrote:
K Smith wrote:

You will say & do most anything ...


This is one of the many times when you would have benefited by keeping
very quiet ...

As one of those here who notice that every single time you post
something you make a complete fool of yourself let me share a quote I
heard this morning that applies your posts:

"Insanity is defined as doing the same thing over and over and expecting
the results to be different."

The results of your posts don't change, K.

Rick


So in comes the other liar!! The one who comes here & for a long time
pulls off the BS story that he's a marine diesel engineer, not a
mechanic mind, nothing less than a tertiary educated engineer.

He was outed when he tried to grandiose himself Harry style, by telling
one too many lies. He honestly had no clue that diesel engines advance
the injection timing as the revs rise exactly the same as the spark
advances in a petrol engine.


Honestly what is it about these simpletons that they just have to make
over the top claims about themselves, or in Harry's case even his late
Dad, damn Harry has even appropriated his treating psychiatrist as his
"bride", Tony Soprano style!! I tell the blokes & they laugh till they
cry; just as they did when it transpired the OMC mechanics didn't have a
clue how nor why their own 2 strokes idled & the risks attached thereto.

So the fact that you aren't happy with me for outing you as the not
even qualified grease monkey (because even a diesel shop junior
apprentice knows about injection timing advance) that you aren't. I'll
display that badge with honour & thanks.

Brain dead decky or bilge cleaner on what a "wooden" tug?? too funny
honestly in Harry's class were it possible because when it comes to
false claims & lies Harry is in a class of his own, the only class he's
ever attended:-)

If it hurts, good; you shouldn't tell lies young fella!!


K

Rick wrote:
"Insanity is defined as doing the same thing over and over and expecting
the results to be different."

The results of your posts don't change, K. Looks like the content
doesn't either.

Rick


Ah Ha trying the old Harry trick of not quite denying the facts but
pretending you could, don't be a shy liar go for it I'll deal with them
one by one for you as I always do with Harry's, yes Rick pastes & all.

Ricky really did loose that number.


K

"Harry Krause" wrote in message

I see a lot of these kind of surveys and I even write some from time to
time.

Reason enough to toss it in the trash.

If you go to JD Powers web site they have reviewed many different models and
products ( http://www.jdpower.com/cc ). If the survey was controlled by
the manufacturer, I would not have expected Sea Ray to come in number 1, and
Bayliner and Maxum to be next to the last, since they are all owned by

Ok.

From the top.

JD Powers does not directly compare products. They collect and compare
"Customer Satisfaction Surveys". Can we agree on that? If so, on to point two.
If not, let me know.

Point two: None of the people they are surveying are directly comparing two or
more products either, (in most cases). They own a new brand X car, boat,
motorcycle, Frisbee, or what not and they get a survey. These people have no
idea based on actual usage experience how their product compares to the
competition.
(They probably think their product is either the best, or the best deal at the
time they buy it.) Can we agree that the survey respondents are, in the vast
majority of cases, not comparing two products? If so, on to point three. If
not, let me know.

Point Three: Powers assembles rankings based not on how the products actually
compare, but on how many bubbling, glowing, happy-owner responses it gets on
the various products. Can we agree on this? If so, on to point four.

Point Four: The nature of the questions that are asked in the survey will
influence
the type of responses that come in. Take
a product with a known defect in, say, the "on" switch. The failure rate is
50%, and the factory is hustling to do recalls as fast as possible. You want
that product to do poorly? You ask, "How would you rate the reliability of the
On switch?" You want that product to show pretty well? Don't ask about the
reliablity of the On switch, ask whether the factory and dealer have been quick
to respond when repairs are needed.

Throughout the entire process, JD Powers is creating a product and selling it.

Clams Canino wrote:
Karen,

I know for a *fact* that Harry owned an early Opti. I don't agree with his
OT provoking. But I know what I know too.

-W

"K Smith" wrote in message
...

Harry Krause wrote:

Gould 0738 wrote:


So, Gould, are you suggesting Yamaha, and Mercury didn't pay for
inclusion in
the survey? How about the others? Think they didn't pay to play?



The survey company doesn't just wake up some morning, yawn and
stretch, and
say,
"I think it's time to do outboard motors!"

What happens in these situations is that the survey company has
salespeople who
are continuously pitching prospective clients about the incredible
value that
the marketing research will bring to the company's business. In fact,

the

survey company will be glad to conduct a survey in the prospect's
industry for
the small sum of just $XXXXXX.XX.

The surveys are performed for individual, corporate, clients. The
questions can
easily be shaped so that the answers are predictable.

Suppose that Anchor Company A agreed to have J.D. Pourboy Surveys do a
survey
among boaters to determine what sort of ground tackle people prefer.

J.D.

Pourboy Surveys will charge Anchor Company A a $10,000 retainer, $10
apiece for
mailing 4,000 surveys, and another $10k to tabulate the results. (The
whole
project can be completed by two part time employees in about a month).

Now, when JD Pourboy shows up at the Anchor CO office wth survey in
hand and
says, "Well, we ran the survey. Everybody says your gear is crap and
they'd
rather use a concrete block on a kite string than
one of your anchors and rode"..........you suppose the Anchor Co is
going to be
happy to write that check for the final $50k? No, no, no.

So, how does J.D. Pourboy make sure that Anchor Co come out mile ahead
of the
competition? Anchor Co is the only maker of anchors that includes a
buoy and a
release line as standard equipment. Questions are designed that get
affirmations from surfey takers that ease of release and the ability
to know
the anchor's actual position are critically important and make a

product

better.

Another technique is the not-so-blind mailing list. Anchor Co A has
the names
and addresses of several thousand people who have bought a single
Anchor Co A
hook, and even the names of several hundred people who have purchased
two or
three over the years. (satisfied customers)
Using the mailing list provided by the Anchor Company itself as a
major portion
of the survey mailing is a sure way to get a high percentage of

favorable

responses.

When Consumer Reports does a study, you need to buy the magazine to
get the
information. That's how they make their money. Every pay anything to
see the
results of a JD Powers Survey? Ask yourself; "How do they make any
money?"



I participated in a Powers survey on my Yamahfa F225. It was
straightforward and met generally accepted, legit survey standards.

Lies upon lies nothing more!! Harry does not & probably never will
"own" any OB nor boat. BS absolute BS he slimes his way into the graces
of real boat owners, then pretends it's "his" boat till they shop him &
tell him to **** off. It happened very quickly with the lie lobster boat
but because the real owner of the Parker is obviously a busy bloke it's
taking longer this time, so the liar of all time has a problem he can't
explain why the boat isn't used, so he reverts back to his original lie
that he's using "his" other lie the custom naval architect designed &
custom built 36ft lobster boat.


There were several ways to respond to different parts of the survey, on
a 1-20 scale and on an excellent to poor scale.

Gee he's seen the survey form?? probably not!! more likely it's been in
a boating magazine where he gathers many of his lies.

I see a lot of these kind of surveys and I even write some from time to
time. You're way over the top on this Chuck.


Another "I am" lie from Harry!!! Is there no end to his BS!!! He can't
write, has never written nor understood anything here, he just pastes
deceptive lefty articles or plagiarises others in the NG. He's near
illiterate proving once & for all the reason he can't substantiate any
of his education lies from 3 yrs of med to 4 degrees 2 masters is
because it's ALL untrue. I have to comment this time even Chuck, an
actual real writer, can't stay silent, good on ya Chuckster.

K




No Clams you "know" he came across an old Opti manual that he may or
may not have doctored, he's the master of fakes see below; that's all &
he probably got it from the real owner of the seapro, because he never
was. Several people checked rechecked & checked again at the time & none
of his BS stacked up as it never will.

That's small beer compared to lengths he's gone to in the past to try &
carry off his deceptions. Posted pics of the "under construction"
lobster boat hull true he's full of it, posted pics of the Hatt 43 then
someone recognised them as stolen from a website, whereupon the liar
claimed his was a sister ship so it didn't matter that he'd tried to
pass them off as his own boat, then the infamous false pics of the
seapro along with your manual no real evidence at all, just more proof
of his lying & the lengths he'll go to. He claimed it was registered in
his "wife's" name that's why nobody could verify it, yet no evidence at
all. In the real world it's excluded by the self serving rule, as it
should be.

People have tried over the years to "independently" verify his claims &
everyone that's each & everyone has drawn a blank, no rego records, no
evidence of even attending any of his claimed education places (don't be
fooled by his privacy crap). Harry was as famous as his fabricated
father according to him, remember we're dealing with a "semi
professional" racing car driver in Harry:-), yet zip nothing not a zot!!
Posts like he'd rather face Cape Horn a third time than go to sea in a
Bayliner, come on you're a real boatie Clams haven't you noticed this
bloke doesn't even take baths??? The father's biggest dealership in the
NE?? ran for 30 yrs??? the father even got a fire tug welcome when he
entered NY harbour having crossed the Atlantic (in winter of course I
mean why not?? once BS is unbelievable it can't become more
unbelievable:-)) in a 22 ftr with a couple of OBs on it?

He even accused Mark of committing phone offenses against his wife
trying to prop up the wife story till he went too far & claimed the FBI
were on to whereupon Mark called a halt. Of course the obvious question
was if his wife had phones in the name Krause then how come the claimed
boat records could never be found??? liars just go away when cornered as
he did on that occassion.

Truly don't be taken in, not ever, if Harry says it's raining look out
the window yourself.

No matter I'm nothing if not fair he can lead us to independently
verifiable material any time he likes, what is it?? don't know yet; let
him try something & we'll certainly have a good look at it.


K


K