FORT LAUDERDALE - Familiar names dominate the 2003 list of J.D. Customer
Satisfaction Award winners announced this morning at the Fort Lauderdale
International Boat Show.


Winners in the engine categories we

2-STROKE OUTBOARDS - Evinrude, followed by Yamaha and Mercury.

4-STROKE OUTBOARDS - Yamaha, for the second consecutive year, followed by
Honda and Mercury.

INBOARDS - PCM (Pleasurecraft Marine), followed by Indmar and MerCrusier.


After receiving honorable mentions a few years ago, and a fairly close
second place last year, FICHT is now #1 in customer satisfaction survey.

Billgran wrote:
FORT LAUDERDALE - Familiar names dominate the 2003 list of J.D. Customer
Satisfaction Award winners announced this morning at the Fort Lauderdale
International Boat Show.


Winners in the engine categories we

2-STROKE OUTBOARDS - Evinrude, followed by Yamaha and Mercury.

4-STROKE OUTBOARDS - Yamaha, for the second consecutive year, followed by
Honda and Mercury.

INBOARDS - PCM (Pleasurecraft Marine), followed by Indmar and MerCrusier.


After receiving honorable mentions a few years ago, and a fairly close
second place last year, FICHT is now #1 in customer satisfaction survey.




Gee now there's the worst most dishonest bit of deceptive vested
interest spam you've ever delivered Bill:-) Given that only people who
have been on another planet would buy a Ficht or whatever you're calling
it this week, it's not hard to say the percentage of satisfaction is
high, what 3 out of 5?? Last time the 2 who's engines failed were left
swinging by you & your dealer spruiking team.

You will say & do most anything to try & make out that Ficht can ever
work, but don't waste any more of your time or boaters money, it
can't!!! Lean mixtures at any sort of power will lead to unreliable
engines because of abnormal combustion leading to detonation when the
mixture is returned to "normal"; just as it has with Ficht from the very
beginning.

I suppose the best evidence is that even your masters, that send you
dealers out to spruik more falsehoods, can't get the story straight.
It's no longer "Ficht" that's just the latest new name so you might
trick a few more punters into thinking it's all different now, just as
you do with VRO, but sorry same story a defective design is just that &
for you to spam this NG again having cost many contributors money &
boating enjoyment with your BS is right up there with your mate Harry
the liar.

K

Harry's lie for the day :

Harry is the only business owner in the US that encourages his
employees to unionize to protect them from Himself.

Eisboch

Actually, two of my professional employees are in a union. I'm a union
member myself, though I am no longer very active in the trades of its
jurisdiction. I pay what you might call "placekeeper" dues.
--

Harry Krause


Honestly this lying simpleton has claimed to be an employer of
"professionals" no less!!! What on social security for the mentally ill??

K Smith wrote:

You will say & do most anything ...

This is one of the many times when you would have benefited by keeping
very quiet ...

As one of those here who notice that every single time you post
something you make a complete fool of yourself let me share a quote I
heard this morning that applies your posts:

"Insanity is defined as doing the same thing over and over and expecting
the results to be different."

The results of your posts don't change, K.

Rick

Rick wrote:
K Smith wrote:

You will say & do most anything ...


This is one of the many times when you would have benefited by keeping
very quiet ...

As one of those here who notice that every single time you post
something you make a complete fool of yourself let me share a quote I
heard this morning that applies your posts:

"Insanity is defined as doing the same thing over and over and expecting
the results to be different."

The results of your posts don't change, K.

Rick


So in comes the other liar!! The one who comes here & for a long time
pulls off the BS story that he's a marine diesel engineer, not a
mechanic mind, nothing less than a tertiary educated engineer.

He was outed when he tried to grandiose himself Harry style, by telling
one too many lies. He honestly had no clue that diesel engines advance
the injection timing as the revs rise exactly the same as the spark
advances in a petrol engine.


Honestly what is it about these simpletons that they just have to make
over the top claims about themselves, or in Harry's case even his late
Dad, damn Harry has even appropriated his treating psychiatrist as his
"bride", Tony Soprano style!! I tell the blokes & they laugh till they
cry; just as they did when it transpired the OMC mechanics didn't have a
clue how nor why their own 2 strokes idled & the risks attached thereto.

So the fact that you aren't happy with me for outing you as the not
even qualified grease monkey (because even a diesel shop junior
apprentice knows about injection timing advance) that you aren't. I'll
display that badge with honour & thanks.

Brain dead decky or bilge cleaner on what a "wooden" tug?? too funny
honestly in Harry's class were it possible because when it comes to
false claims & lies Harry is in a class of his own, the only class he's
ever attended:-)

If it hurts, good; you shouldn't tell lies young fella!!


K

"Insanity is defined as doing the same thing over and over and expecting
the results to be different."

The results of your posts don't change, K. Looks like the content
doesn't either.

Rick

Rick wrote:
"Insanity is defined as doing the same thing over and over and expecting
the results to be different."

The results of your posts don't change, K. Looks like the content
doesn't either.

Rick


Ah Ha trying the old Harry trick of not quite denying the facts but
pretending you could, don't be a shy liar go for it I'll deal with them
one by one for you as I always do with Harry's, yes Rick pastes & all.

Ricky really did loose that number.


K

The only thing JD Powers actually reveals is which particular company
contracted for the survey this year (and therefore got to "influence" the
wording of the questions to
predetermine the outcome.)

Example: "If you were stuck on a desert Island with two outboards, and one was
a FICHT that had a full tank of fuel and the other was a non-Ficht that was
missing a prop, which motor would you hang off the back of your driftwood
raft?" Lo and behold, consumers prefer FICHT!

I'm not wading into the FICHT vs the world controversy. I'm not an outboard
guy. But I can tell you that a JD Powers survey is a private product that is
sold to industry by a private company. How many people would pay the bill in
the end unless the survey showed their company just stomping the field?

Say it isn't so. :^) They gotta be honest. See their page at
http://www.jdpower.com/cc/boats/about/about_ratings.asp It'll tell you
so!

-JimL


Gould 0738 wrote:
The only thing JD Powers actually reveals is which particular company
contracted for the survey this year (and therefore got to "influence" the
wording of the questions to
predetermine the outcome.)

Example: "If you were stuck on a desert Island with two outboards, and one was
a FICHT that had a full tank of fuel and the other was a non-Ficht that was
missing a prop, which motor would you hang off the back of your driftwood
raft?" Lo and behold, consumers prefer FICHT!

I'm not wading into the FICHT vs the world controversy. I'm not an outboard
guy. But I can tell you that a JD Powers survey is a private product that is
sold to industry by a private company. How many people would pay the bill in
the end unless the survey showed their company just stomping the field?

Say it isn't so. :^) They gotta be honest. See their page at
http://www.jdpower.com/cc/boats/about/about_ratings.asp It'll tell you
so!

-JimL

Note that they disclaim any responsibility for product ranking. "We're just the
messenger, reporting what the public says in surveys. We don't test, evaluate,
or offer our own opinions on anything."

Makes them very unlike Consumer Reports. Even CR has some problems.
They rely too heavily on historical trends being projected into the future and
do not allow for product improvements or design changes. (Example, one year CR
rated the Toyota Corrolla well above the Chevy Nova.
Chevy Nova had a poor repair history compared to Toyota, was one of the main
reasons. Ahem! That particular year the Chevy and the Toyota were coming down
the exact same assembly line at NUMMI motors in California, and the primary
difference was the piece of chromed plastic on the trunk and the dashboard that
said either "Nova" or "Corrolla".)

Anybody with an IQ 3 above a tree can design survey questions that are going to
get predictable responses.

(Extreme example):

Would you rather eat:

1. A nice, tender, fat, juicy, sizzling steak hot off the grill.

2. A limp bit of warm, wilted lettuce without dressing.

After asking the question 1000 times, we could allow the American Beef
Producers
Association to proclaim: "J.D. Pourless Survey proves America prefers beef for
dinner! Vegans in serious decline!"


(quote for Powers page)
What makes J.D. Power consumer ratings so different?

Since 1968, J.D. Power and Associates has been conducting quality and customer
satisfaction research based on survey responses from millions of consumers
worldwide. We do not rely on "expert opinion." Our product and service rankings
in no way reflect the opinions or preferences of the firm, and we do not
review, judge or test products and services ourselves.

We represent the voice of the customer by translating survey responses into
information that companies worldwide use to improve quality and customer
satisfaction, as well as to help consumers make better decisions. J.D. Power
and Associates has developed and maintains one of the largest, most
comprehensive historical customer satisfaction databases in existence, which
includes feedback on virtually all aspects of the shopping, buying, and product
and service ownership experience.

So, Gould, are you suggesting Yamaha, and Mercury didn't pay for inclusion in
the survey? How about the others? Think they didn't pay to play?

Results of the survey may indeed be inaccurate, but has Bayliner ever placed
well?

Butch