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Trying to discover what makes southern boys tick...
On Wed, 18 Jul 2018 09:11:22 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:
Wayne.B Wrote in message: On Tue, 17 Jul 2018 12:14:53 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: I guess you've chosen to ignore the fact that legalized slavery did end everywhere else around the world without fighting any wars? And free market economics is far from loony; it's proven in fact. Just look at what centralized planning did for the old Soviet Union and Cuba for example. I'm not going to waste time trying to convince you righties of the error of your ways on these subjects...Wiki has an answer suitable for you: While slavery was institutionally recognized by most societies, it has now been outlawed in all recognized countries, the last being Mauritania in 2007. === A typical twisted non-answer from our favorite narcissist who, in his own mind, couldn't possibly be wrong about anything. He never fails to disappoint, does he? LOL! Most perceptive. |
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#103
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On 7/18/18 9:21 AM, justan wrote:
Wrote in message: On Tue, 17 Jul 2018 10:01:15 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 7/17/18 9:25 AM, wrote: On Tue, 17 Jul 2018 08:11:36 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 7/17/18 2:57 AM, wrote: On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 21:54:58 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 7/16/18 9:05 PM, wrote: On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 15:46:12 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 7/16/18 2:25 PM, wrote: On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 09:11:43 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 7/16/18 12:20 AM, wrote: On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 02:39:13 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: And it was the British who brought a lot of the slaves to America. And the Carib. They only freed them in England, not in any colonies. Make that pretty much all the slaves. 18 years after we kicked the British out the congress passed a low barring any more importation of slaves. Most were already here before 1776, brought here on British ships. Portugal, England, Spain, France, the Netherlands, among other European nations, engaged in bringing slaves to the "New World." The Portuguese were the largest slave traders. Slaves were brought here throughout much of the 19th Century. Not legally, after 180 There are estimates that twelve to fifteen million Africans were brought over as slaves, but many died in the transit. Their survivors lived in slavery in this country beyond the Civil War, even though they were emancipated. There are ways to enslave people without calling them slaves. That gets us back to my contention that the civil war was unnecessary. Perhaps if slavery was ended in a way that did not cost us 600,000 lives and destroy half of the country, the transition might have been faster and less contentious. At least you admit the war did not make the slaves equal. The process took 150 years, just to get where we are now. I see you are still promoting the idea that slavery was an ok thing. If the former slaves are not equal, it is the fault of whitey. I never said it was OK. I just said that the war was not the best way to resolve the issue and you are simply proving the futility of that method. It wasn't futile; it was necessary. How many more generations of slavery would have been acceptable to you and the rest of you white conservatives? You are the one who said "Their survivors lived in slavery in this country beyond the Civil War, even though they were emancipated" How many generations was that? The slavery to which I was referring was no longer the actual slavery...you didn't perceive that? White racism towards people of color in this country will never die out. The actual slavery in the south would not have ended sans the Civil War. Slavery has ended in countries throughout the former British colonies and we are the only one that think we needed a devastating war to do it. I thought you were against war. You seem to think economic pressures are all we need to cure all of the world's ills but this one. The reality is that slavery was economically based and could have been brought down with economic pressure. If slave produced goods were no longer accepted in trade with the north and the rest of the civilized world, slavery would have ended very fast. Oh, yeah...that free market bull****. Loonytarianism. Isn't that what you said would bring Saddam down and that war was a stupid thing? It is funny that a war on foreign soil is so distasteful but a war right here is "the only way" we can resolve what was basically an economic issue. In fact the economics didn't change that much either. If you were a black person in Mississippi in 1866, your life really did not change that much. You were still living in the same shack, you were doing the same job and you were eating the same food. The only difference was you got paid for the job and you turned around and paid the plantation owner all of that money for your room and board. Certainly you could leave but to go do what? You said it yourself. It was still virtual slavery ... 600,000 dead Americans later. BTW the life was not much different if you were a "free" textile worker in New York or a "free" coal miner in West Virginia through most of the next 100 years. They were usually white people. Slavery exists today in the form of modern day unions. The workers(slaves) are brainwashed into thinking they cannot possibly survive outside the protective union umbrella. The workers low self esteem has elevated union leadership to god-like status. If you think this is untrue, engage any union member in conversation about their work. Modern day slaves hold union cards. Mooks who haven't the skills to get a unionized job in the skilled trades talk like you. |
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#104
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On 7/18/2018 2:39 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 7/18/18 9:21 AM, justan wrote: Wrote in message: On Tue, 17 Jul 2018 10:01:15 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 7/17/18 9:25 AM, wrote: On Tue, 17 Jul 2018 08:11:36 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 7/17/18 2:57 AM, wrote: On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 21:54:58 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 7/16/18 9:05 PM, wrote: On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 15:46:12 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 7/16/18 2:25 PM, wrote: On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 09:11:43 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 7/16/18 12:20 AM, wrote: On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 02:39:13 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: And it was the British who brought a lot of the slaves to America.Â*Â* And the Carib.Â* They only freed them in England, not in any colonies. Make that pretty much all the slaves. 18 years after we kicked the British out the congress passed a low barring any more importation of slaves. Most were already here before 1776, brought here on British ships. Portugal, England, Spain, France, the Netherlands, among other European nations, engaged in bringing slaves to the "New World." The Portuguese were the largest slave traders. Slaves were brought here throughout much of the 19th Century. Not legally, after 180 There are estimates that twelve to fifteen million Africans were brought over as slaves, but many died in the transit. Their survivors lived in slavery in this country beyond the Civil War, even though they were emancipated. There are ways to enslave people without calling them slaves. That gets us back to my contention that the civil war was unnecessary. Perhaps if slavery was ended in a way that did not cost us 600,000 lives and destroy half of the country, the transition might have been faster and less contentious. At least you admit the war did not make the slaves equal. The process took 150 years, just to get where we are now. I see you are still promoting the idea that slavery was an ok thing. If the former slaves are not equal, it is the fault of whitey. I never said it was OK. I just said that the war was not the best way to resolve the issue and you are simply proving the futility of that method. It wasn't futile; it was necessary. How many more generations of slavery would have been acceptable to you and the rest of you white conservatives? You are the one who said "Their survivors lived in slavery in this country beyond the Civil War, even though they were emancipated" How many generations was that? The slavery to which I was referring was no longer the actual slavery...you didn't perceive that? White racism towards people of color in this country will never die out. The actual slavery in the south would not have ended sans the Civil War. Slavery has ended in countries throughout the former British colonies and we are the only one that think we needed a devastating war to do it. I thought you were against war. You seem to think economic pressures are all we need to cure all of the world's ills but this one. The reality is that slavery was economically based and could have been brought down with economic pressure. If slave produced goods were no longer accepted in trade with the north and the rest of the civilized world, slavery would have ended very fast. Oh, yeah...that free market bull****. Loonytarianism. Isn't that what you said would bring Saddam down and that war was a stupid thing? It is funny that a war on foreign soil is so distasteful but a war right here is "the only way" we can resolve what was basically an economic issue. In fact the economics didn't change that much either. If you were a black person in Mississippi in 1866, your life really did not change that much. You were still living in the same shack, you were doing the same job and you were eating the same food. The only difference was you got paid for the job and you turned around and paid the plantation owner all of that money for your room and board. Certainly you could leave but to go do what? You said it yourself. It was still virtual slavery ... 600,000 dead Americans later. BTW the life was not much different if you were a "free" textile worker in New York or a "free" coal miner in West Virginia through most of the next 100 years. They were usually white people. Slavery exists today in the form of modern day unions. The Â* workers(slaves) are brainwashed into thinking they cannot Â* possibly survive outside the protective union umbrella. The Â* workers low self esteem has elevated union leadership to god-like Â* status. If you think this is untrue, engage any union member in Â* conversation about their work. Modern day slaves hold union Â* cards. Mooks who haven't the skills to get a unionized job in the skilled trades talk like you. Interesting comment. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, only 10.7 percent of wage and salary workers were members of unions in 2017, down from 20.1 percent in 1983, the first year data was collected. According to you then, over 89 percent of workers don't have the skills to get a unionized job, skilled trades or not. That's a bit far fetched, don't you think? Given the steep decline in union membership over the past three decades maybe people don't *want* a union job even though a union job does typically pay more. Has to be a reason for membership percentage dropping almost in half. |
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#105
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Keyser Soze wrote:
On 7/18/18 9:21 AM, justan wrote: Wrote in message: On Tue, 17 Jul 2018 10:01:15 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 7/17/18 9:25 AM, wrote: On Tue, 17 Jul 2018 08:11:36 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 7/17/18 2:57 AM, wrote: On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 21:54:58 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 7/16/18 9:05 PM, wrote: On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 15:46:12 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 7/16/18 2:25 PM, wrote: On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 09:11:43 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 7/16/18 12:20 AM, wrote: On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 02:39:13 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: And it was the British who brought a lot of the slaves to America. And the Carib. They only freed them in England, not in any colonies. Make that pretty much all the slaves. 18 years after we kicked the British out the congress passed a low barring any more importation of slaves. Most were already here before 1776, brought here on British ships. Portugal, England, Spain, France, the Netherlands, among other European nations, engaged in bringing slaves to the "New World." The Portuguese were the largest slave traders. Slaves were brought here throughout much of the 19th Century. Not legally, after 180 There are estimates that twelve to fifteen million Africans were brought over as slaves, but many died in the transit. Their survivors lived in slavery in this country beyond the Civil War, even though they were emancipated. There are ways to enslave people without calling them slaves. That gets us back to my contention that the civil war was unnecessary. Perhaps if slavery was ended in a way that did not cost us 600,000 lives and destroy half of the country, the transition might have been faster and less contentious. At least you admit the war did not make the slaves equal. The process took 150 years, just to get where we are now. I see you are still promoting the idea that slavery was an ok thing. If the former slaves are not equal, it is the fault of whitey. I never said it was OK. I just said that the war was not the best way to resolve the issue and you are simply proving the futility of that method. It wasn't futile; it was necessary. How many more generations of slavery would have been acceptable to you and the rest of you white conservatives? You are the one who said "Their survivors lived in slavery in this country beyond the Civil War, even though they were emancipated" How many generations was that? The slavery to which I was referring was no longer the actual slavery...you didn't perceive that? White racism towards people of color in this country will never die out. The actual slavery in the south would not have ended sans the Civil War. Slavery has ended in countries throughout the former British colonies and we are the only one that think we needed a devastating war to do it. I thought you were against war. You seem to think economic pressures are all we need to cure all of the world's ills but this one. The reality is that slavery was economically based and could have been brought down with economic pressure. If slave produced goods were no longer accepted in trade with the north and the rest of the civilized world, slavery would have ended very fast. Oh, yeah...that free market bull****. Loonytarianism. Isn't that what you said would bring Saddam down and that war was a stupid thing? It is funny that a war on foreign soil is so distasteful but a war right here is "the only way" we can resolve what was basically an economic issue. In fact the economics didn't change that much either. If you were a black person in Mississippi in 1866, your life really did not change that much. You were still living in the same shack, you were doing the same job and you were eating the same food. The only difference was you got paid for the job and you turned around and paid the plantation owner all of that money for your room and board. Certainly you could leave but to go do what? You said it yourself. It was still virtual slavery ... 600,000 dead Americans later. BTW the life was not much different if you were a "free" textile worker in New York or a "free" coal miner in West Virginia through most of the next 100 years. They were usually white people. Slavery exists today in the form of modern day unions. The workers(slaves) are brainwashed into thinking they cannot possibly survive outside the protective union umbrella. The workers low self esteem has elevated union leadership to god-like status. If you think this is untrue, engage any union member in conversation about their work. Modern day slaves hold union cards. Mooks who haven't the skills to get a unionized job in the skilled trades talk like you. Those with skills hire unionized mooks. Because the government requires it. |
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#106
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Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/18/2018 2:39 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 7/18/18 9:21 AM, justan wrote: Wrote in message: On Tue, 17 Jul 2018 10:01:15 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 7/17/18 9:25 AM, wrote: On Tue, 17 Jul 2018 08:11:36 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 7/17/18 2:57 AM, wrote: On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 21:54:58 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 7/16/18 9:05 PM, wrote: On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 15:46:12 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 7/16/18 2:25 PM, wrote: On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 09:11:43 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 7/16/18 12:20 AM, wrote: On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 02:39:13 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: And it was the British who brought a lot of the slaves to America.Â*Â* And the Carib.Â* They only freed them in England, not in any colonies. Make that pretty much all the slaves. 18 years after we kicked the British out the congress passed a low barring any more importation of slaves. Most were already here before 1776, brought here on British ships. Portugal, England, Spain, France, the Netherlands, among other European nations, engaged in bringing slaves to the "New World." The Portuguese were the largest slave traders. Slaves were brought here throughout much of the 19th Century. Not legally, after 180 There are estimates that twelve to fifteen million Africans were brought over as slaves, but many died in the transit. Their survivors lived in slavery in this country beyond the Civil War, even though they were emancipated. There are ways to enslave people without calling them slaves. That gets us back to my contention that the civil war was unnecessary. Perhaps if slavery was ended in a way that did not cost us 600,000 lives and destroy half of the country, the transition might have been faster and less contentious. At least you admit the war did not make the slaves equal. The process took 150 years, just to get where we are now. I see you are still promoting the idea that slavery was an ok thing. If the former slaves are not equal, it is the fault of whitey. I never said it was OK. I just said that the war was not the best way to resolve the issue and you are simply proving the futility of that method. It wasn't futile; it was necessary. How many more generations of slavery would have been acceptable to you and the rest of you white conservatives? You are the one who said "Their survivors lived in slavery in this country beyond the Civil War, even though they were emancipated" How many generations was that? The slavery to which I was referring was no longer the actual slavery...you didn't perceive that? White racism towards people of color in this country will never die out. The actual slavery in the south would not have ended sans the Civil War. Slavery has ended in countries throughout the former British colonies and we are the only one that think we needed a devastating war to do it. I thought you were against war. You seem to think economic pressures are all we need to cure all of the world's ills but this one. The reality is that slavery was economically based and could have been brought down with economic pressure. If slave produced goods were no longer accepted in trade with the north and the rest of the civilized world, slavery would have ended very fast. Oh, yeah...that free market bull****. Loonytarianism. Isn't that what you said would bring Saddam down and that war was a stupid thing? It is funny that a war on foreign soil is so distasteful but a war right here is "the only way" we can resolve what was basically an economic issue. In fact the economics didn't change that much either. If you were a black person in Mississippi in 1866, your life really did not change that much. You were still living in the same shack, you were doing the same job and you were eating the same food. The only difference was you got paid for the job and you turned around and paid the plantation owner all of that money for your room and board. Certainly you could leave but to go do what? You said it yourself. It was still virtual slavery ... 600,000 dead Americans later. BTW the life was not much different if you were a "free" textile worker in New York or a "free" coal miner in West Virginia through most of the next 100 years. They were usually white people. Slavery exists today in the form of modern day unions. The Â* workers(slaves) are brainwashed into thinking they cannot Â* possibly survive outside the protective union umbrella. The Â* workers low self esteem has elevated union leadership to god-like Â* status. If you think this is untrue, engage any union member in Â* conversation about their work. Modern day slaves hold union Â* cards. Mooks who haven't the skills to get a unionized job in the skilled trades talk like you. Interesting comment. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, only 10.7 percent of wage and salary workers were members of unions in 2017, down from 20.1 percent in 1983, the first year data was collected. According to you then, over 89 percent of workers don't have the skills to get a unionized job, skilled trades or not. That's a bit far fetched, don't you think? Given the steep decline in union membership over the past three decades maybe people don't *want* a union job even though a union job does typically pay more. Has to be a reason for membership percentage dropping almost in half. And almost all those union people are government. |
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#107
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On Wednesday, July 18, 2018 at 3:08:05 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/18/2018 2:39 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 7/18/18 9:21 AM, justan wrote: Wrote in message: On Tue, 17 Jul 2018 10:01:15 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 7/17/18 9:25 AM, wrote: On Tue, 17 Jul 2018 08:11:36 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 7/17/18 2:57 AM, wrote: On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 21:54:58 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 7/16/18 9:05 PM, wrote: On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 15:46:12 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 7/16/18 2:25 PM, wrote: On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 09:11:43 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 7/16/18 12:20 AM, wrote: On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 02:39:13 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: And it was the British who brought a lot of the slaves to America.Â*Â* And the Carib.Â* They only freed them in England, not in any colonies. Make that pretty much all the slaves. 18 years after we kicked the British out the congress passed a low barring any more importation of slaves. Most were already here before 1776, brought here on British ships. Portugal, England, Spain, France, the Netherlands, among other European nations, engaged in bringing slaves to the "New World." The Portuguese were the largest slave traders. Slaves were brought here throughout much of the 19th Century.. Not legally, after 180 There are estimates that twelve to fifteen million Africans were brought over as slaves, but many died in the transit. Their survivors lived in slavery in this country beyond the Civil War, even though they were emancipated. There are ways to enslave people without calling them slaves. That gets us back to my contention that the civil war was unnecessary. Perhaps if slavery was ended in a way that did not cost us 600,000 lives and destroy half of the country, the transition might have been faster and less contentious. At least you admit the war did not make the slaves equal. The process took 150 years, just to get where we are now. I see you are still promoting the idea that slavery was an ok thing. If the former slaves are not equal, it is the fault of whitey. I never said it was OK. I just said that the war was not the best way to resolve the issue and you are simply proving the futility of that method. It wasn't futile; it was necessary. How many more generations of slavery would have been acceptable to you and the rest of you white conservatives? You are the one who said "Their survivors lived in slavery in this country beyond the Civil War, even though they were emancipated" How many generations was that? The slavery to which I was referring was no longer the actual slavery...you didn't perceive that? White racism towards people of color in this country will never die out. The actual slavery in the south would not have ended sans the Civil War. Slavery has ended in countries throughout the former British colonies and we are the only one that think we needed a devastating war to do it. I thought you were against war. You seem to think economic pressures are all we need to cure all of the world's ills but this one. The reality is that slavery was economically based and could have been brought down with economic pressure. If slave produced goods were no longer accepted in trade with the north and the rest of the civilized world, slavery would have ended very fast. Oh, yeah...that free market bull****. Loonytarianism. Isn't that what you said would bring Saddam down and that war was a stupid thing? It is funny that a war on foreign soil is so distasteful but a war right here is "the only way" we can resolve what was basically an economic issue. In fact the economics didn't change that much either. If you were a black person in Mississippi in 1866, your life really did not change that much. You were still living in the same shack, you were doing the same job and you were eating the same food. The only difference was you got paid for the job and you turned around and paid the plantation owner all of that money for your room and board. Certainly you could leave but to go do what? You said it yourself. It was still virtual slavery ... 600,000 dead Americans later. BTW the life was not much different if you were a "free" textile worker in New York or a "free" coal miner in West Virginia through most of the next 100 years. They were usually white people. Slavery exists today in the form of modern day unions. The Â* workers(slaves) are brainwashed into thinking they cannot Â* possibly survive outside the protective union umbrella. The Â* workers low self esteem has elevated union leadership to god-like Â* status. If you think this is untrue, engage any union member in Â* conversation about their work. Modern day slaves hold union Â* cards. Mooks who haven't the skills to get a unionized job in the skilled trades talk like you. Interesting comment. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, only 10.7 percent of wage and salary workers were members of unions in 2017, down from 20.1 percent in 1983, the first year data was collected. According to you then, over 89 percent of workers don't have the skills to get a unionized job, skilled trades or not. That's a bit far fetched, don't you think? Given the steep decline in union membership over the past three decades maybe people don't *want* a union job even though a union job does typically pay more. Has to be a reason for membership percentage dropping almost in half. The wages are more equalized when you consider the union dues and other mandatory contributions. The union shops I've been to and worked in were filled with union workers who complained about their jobs, unions, and general environment all day long. A bunch of miserable SOB's. They finally realize it's not worth it to get a couple of extra bucks. |
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#108
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On Wed, 18 Jul 2018 15:08:00 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 7/18/2018 2:39 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 7/18/18 9:21 AM, justan wrote: Wrote in message: On Tue, 17 Jul 2018 10:01:15 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 7/17/18 9:25 AM, wrote: On Tue, 17 Jul 2018 08:11:36 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 7/17/18 2:57 AM, wrote: On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 21:54:58 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 7/16/18 9:05 PM, wrote: On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 15:46:12 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 7/16/18 2:25 PM, wrote: On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 09:11:43 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 7/16/18 12:20 AM, wrote: On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 02:39:13 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: And it was the British who brought a lot of the slaves to America.** And the Carib.* They only freed them in England, not in any colonies. Make that pretty much all the slaves. 18 years after we kicked the British out the congress passed a low barring any more importation of slaves. Most were already here before 1776, brought here on British ships. Portugal, England, Spain, France, the Netherlands, among other European nations, engaged in bringing slaves to the "New World." The Portuguese were the largest slave traders. Slaves were brought here throughout much of the 19th Century. Not legally, after 180 There are estimates that twelve to fifteen million Africans were brought over as slaves, but many died in the transit. Their survivors lived in slavery in this country beyond the Civil War, even though they were emancipated. There are ways to enslave people without calling them slaves. That gets us back to my contention that the civil war was unnecessary. Perhaps if slavery was ended in a way that did not cost us 600,000 lives and destroy half of the country, the transition might have been faster and less contentious. At least you admit the war did not make the slaves equal. The process took 150 years, just to get where we are now. I see you are still promoting the idea that slavery was an ok thing. If the former slaves are not equal, it is the fault of whitey. I never said it was OK. I just said that the war was not the best way to resolve the issue and you are simply proving the futility of that method. It wasn't futile; it was necessary. How many more generations of slavery would have been acceptable to you and the rest of you white conservatives? You are the one who said "Their survivors lived in slavery in this country beyond the Civil War, even though they were emancipated" How many generations was that? The slavery to which I was referring was no longer the actual slavery...you didn't perceive that? White racism towards people of color in this country will never die out. The actual slavery in the south would not have ended sans the Civil War. Slavery has ended in countries throughout the former British colonies and we are the only one that think we needed a devastating war to do it. I thought you were against war. You seem to think economic pressures are all we need to cure all of the world's ills but this one. The reality is that slavery was economically based and could have been brought down with economic pressure. If slave produced goods were no longer accepted in trade with the north and the rest of the civilized world, slavery would have ended very fast. Oh, yeah...that free market bull****. Loonytarianism. Isn't that what you said would bring Saddam down and that war was a stupid thing? It is funny that a war on foreign soil is so distasteful but a war right here is "the only way" we can resolve what was basically an economic issue. In fact the economics didn't change that much either. If you were a black person in Mississippi in 1866, your life really did not change that much. You were still living in the same shack, you were doing the same job and you were eating the same food. The only difference was you got paid for the job and you turned around and paid the plantation owner all of that money for your room and board. Certainly you could leave but to go do what? You said it yourself. It was still virtual slavery ... 600,000 dead Americans later. BTW the life was not much different if you were a "free" textile worker in New York or a "free" coal miner in West Virginia through most of the next 100 years. They were usually white people. Slavery exists today in the form of modern day unions. The * workers(slaves) are brainwashed into thinking they cannot * possibly survive outside the protective union umbrella. The * workers low self esteem has elevated union leadership to god-like * status. If you think this is untrue, engage any union member in * conversation about their work. Modern day slaves hold union * cards. Mooks who haven't the skills to get a unionized job in the skilled trades talk like you. Interesting comment. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, only 10.7 percent of wage and salary workers were members of unions in 2017, down from 20.1 percent in 1983, the first year data was collected. According to you then, over 89 percent of workers don't have the skills to get a unionized job, skilled trades or not. That's a bit far fetched, don't you think? Given the steep decline in union membership over the past three decades maybe people don't *want* a union job even though a union job does typically pay more. Has to be a reason for membership percentage dropping almost in half. Wow, four days later and no comment from Krause. Strange. |
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