On Tue, 07 Aug 2018 06:24:05 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Mon, 6 Aug 2018 19:58:18 -0400, Alex wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 6 Aug 2018 13:54:16 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

Time for more gun Lars that don’t work. BTW, you’re seeking yet another term?

https://abc7chicago.com/amp/66-shot-...tings/3892234/
Some great quotes from the article: "...Chicago Police Superintendent Eddie Johnson said more needs
to be done to hold repeat gun offenders accountable.

"It is the same people who are pulling the triggers in some of these communities. This isn't a
widespread issue among citizens of the city. This is a small subset of individuals who think they
can play by their own rules because they continue to get a slap on the wrist when we arrest them,"
Johnson said."

""I hear people holding us accountable all the time," Johnson said. "I never hear people saying
these individuals out here in the streets need to stop pulling the trigger. I never hear that. I
never hear that. They get a pass from everybody and they shouldn't."

Johnson has the right idea.

He does, but he can't write and pass the laws. That falls on Rahm and
his cronies.

I'm thinking the laws are already on the books, but the judges don't enforce them.

"...they continue to get a slap on the wrist when we arrest them..."

From a New York Times story:

"“We do bypass our ordinance because the penalties are more serious under state laws,” Ms. Hoyle
said. “But there’s this idea that we didn’t really enforce the ordinance, and that’s just not true.
We prosecute people all the time.”

Those prosecutions, however, rarely result in convictions, according to the data from the clerk’s
office. While the police have made 12,967 arrests since 2000, city attorneys have won just 2,068
convictions."

https://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/us/29cncguns.html

Almost 13,000 arrests led to about 2000 convictions. That's not a very good record.

===

The recipe for crime reduction is well known and has been
successfullly demonstrated in cities like New York and Boston. It
takes tough, focused, and data driven policing, coupled with arrest
and incarceration for even low level crimes. It's politically
unpopular in some circles but it works. If the problems in Chicago
get bad enough, i.e., start affecting the middle and upper classes,
something will be done about it but probably not until then.

Wayne.B Wrote in message:
On Tue, 07 Aug 2018 06:24:05 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Mon, 6 Aug 2018 19:58:18 -0400, Alex wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 6 Aug 2018 13:54:16 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

Time for more gun Lars that don’t work. BTW, you’re seeking yet another term?

https://abc7chicago.com/amp/66-shot-...tings/3892234/
Some great quotes from the article: "...Chicago Police Superintendent Eddie Johnson said more needs
to be done to hold repeat gun offenders accountable.

"It is the same people who are pulling the triggers in some of these communities. This isn't a
widespread issue among citizens of the city. This is a small subset of individuals who think they
can play by their own rules because they continue to get a slap on the wrist when we arrest them,"
Johnson said."

""I hear people holding us accountable all the time," Johnson said. "I never hear people saying
these individuals out here in the streets need to stop pulling the trigger. I never hear that. I
never hear that. They get a pass from everybody and they shouldn't."

Johnson has the right idea.

He does, but he can't write and pass the laws. That falls on Rahm and
his cronies.

I'm thinking the laws are already on the books, but the judges don't enforce them.

"...they continue to get a slap on the wrist when we arrest them..."

From a New York Times story:

"“We do bypass our ordinance because the penalties are more serious under state laws,” Ms. Hoyle
said. “But there’s this idea that we didn’t really enforce the ordinance, and that’s just not true.
We prosecute people all the time.”

Those prosecutions, however, rarely result in convictions, according to the data from the clerk’s
office. While the police have made 12,967 arrests since 2000, city attorneys have won just 2,068
convictions."

https://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/us/29cncguns.html

Almost 13,000 arrests led to about 2000 convictions. That's not a very good record.

===

The recipe for crime reduction is well known and has been
successfullly demonstrated in cities like New York and Boston. It
takes tough, focused, and data driven policing, coupled with arrest
and incarceration for even low level crimes. It's politically
unpopular in some circles but it works. If the problems in Chicago
get bad enough, i.e., start affecting the middle and upper classes,
something will be done about it but probably not until then.


Chicago is a self extinguishing fire. It will burn out eventually.
Hopefully with few innocent lives lost.
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On Tue, 07 Aug 2018 09:39:28 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 07 Aug 2018 06:24:05 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Mon, 6 Aug 2018 19:58:18 -0400, Alex wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 6 Aug 2018 13:54:16 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

Time for more gun Lars that don’t work. BTW, you’re seeking yet another term?

https://abc7chicago.com/amp/66-shot-...tings/3892234/
Some great quotes from the article: "...Chicago Police Superintendent Eddie Johnson said more needs
to be done to hold repeat gun offenders accountable.

"It is the same people who are pulling the triggers in some of these communities. This isn't a
widespread issue among citizens of the city. This is a small subset of individuals who think they
can play by their own rules because they continue to get a slap on the wrist when we arrest them,"
Johnson said."

""I hear people holding us accountable all the time," Johnson said. "I never hear people saying
these individuals out here in the streets need to stop pulling the trigger. I never hear that. I
never hear that. They get a pass from everybody and they shouldn't."

Johnson has the right idea.

He does, but he can't write and pass the laws. That falls on Rahm and
his cronies.

I'm thinking the laws are already on the books, but the judges don't enforce them.

"...they continue to get a slap on the wrist when we arrest them..."

From a New York Times story:

"“We do bypass our ordinance because the penalties are more serious under state laws,” Ms. Hoyle
said. “But there’s this idea that we didn’t really enforce the ordinance, and that’s just not true.
We prosecute people all the time.”

Those prosecutions, however, rarely result in convictions, according to the data from the clerk’s
office. While the police have made 12,967 arrests since 2000, city attorneys have won just 2,068
convictions."

https://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/us/29cncguns.html

Almost 13,000 arrests led to about 2000 convictions. That's not a very good record.

===

The recipe for crime reduction is well known and has been
successfullly demonstrated in cities like New York and Boston. It
takes tough, focused, and data driven policing, coupled with arrest
and incarceration for even low level crimes. It's politically
unpopular in some circles but it works. If the problems in Chicago
get bad enough, i.e., start affecting the middle and upper classes,
something will be done about it but probably not until then.

Chicago is one of the most segregated cities in the US and the crime
is very well sequestered in a few areas. You are right. When bodies
start dropping on Lake Shore Drive, they will get serious about it but
right now it is just people nobody cares about killing people nobody
cares about.
DC was pretty much the same way when I was there. If you stayed away
from a few areas, you never saw a thing. They were very good about
keeping the thugs out of the Federal Triangle and the park land south
of that. They also stayed east of Rock Creek. A black guy with droopy
pants and a hoodie walking down Foxhall road was going to get pulled
up, frisked and questioned.

Tim wrote:
Alex
Tim wrote:
On Monday, August 6, 2018 at 5:38:35 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:
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On Mon, 6 Aug 2018 14:53:00 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

4:04 PMJohn H
On Mon, 6 Aug 2018 13:54:16 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

Time for more gun Lars that don’t work. BTW, you’re seeking yet another term?

https://abc7chicago.com/amp/66-shot-...tings/3892234/
Some great quotes from the article: "...Chicago Police Superintendent Eddie Johnson said more needs
to be done to hold repeat gun offenders accountable.

"It is the same people who are pulling the triggers in some of these communities. This isn't a
widespread issue among citizens of the city. This is a small subset of individuals who think they
can play by their own rules because they continue to get a slap on the wrist when we arrest them,"
Johnson said."

""I hear people holding us accountable all the time," Johnson said. "I never hear people saying
these individuals out here in the streets need to stop pulling the trigger. I never hear that. I
never hear that. They get a pass from everybody and they shouldn't."

Johnson has the right idea.
.......

I think Johnson is a great guy and could help clean up a lot of the place, especially if the local legislature would allow him to do so,
I think the judges letting the folks off with a slap (and none too hard) on the wrist is a huge part
of the problem, as he says above.
yep!

But still. Guess those gang bangers haven't heard of the strict gun laws up there? Not to mention Cook County has a special tax on every hand gun round sold there. Sounds like they are sure getting a lot of good from yet another tax!

They need the money and selling plastic bags for a dime at the 7-11
isn't going to cover it.
......

Really? They’re doing that now???

In the city, yes.

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 6 Aug 2018 19:58:18 -0400, Alex wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 6 Aug 2018 13:54:16 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

Time for more gun Lars that don’t work. BTW, you’re seeking yet another term?

https://abc7chicago.com/amp/66-shot-...tings/3892234/
Some great quotes from the article: "...Chicago Police Superintendent Eddie Johnson said more needs
to be done to hold repeat gun offenders accountable.

"It is the same people who are pulling the triggers in some of these communities. This isn't a
widespread issue among citizens of the city. This is a small subset of individuals who think they
can play by their own rules because they continue to get a slap on the wrist when we arrest them,"
Johnson said."

""I hear people holding us accountable all the time," Johnson said. "I never hear people saying
these individuals out here in the streets need to stop pulling the trigger. I never hear that. I
never hear that. They get a pass from everybody and they shouldn't."

Johnson has the right idea.
He does, but he can't write and pass the laws. That falls on Rahm and
his cronies.
I'm thinking the laws are already on the books, but the judges don't enforce them.

"...they continue to get a slap on the wrist when we arrest them..."

From a New York Times story:

"“We do bypass our ordinance because the penalties are more serious under state laws,” Ms. Hoyle
said. “But there’s this idea that we didn’t really enforce the ordinance, and that’s just not true.
We prosecute people all the time.”

Those prosecutions, however, rarely result in convictions, according to the data from the clerk’s
office. While the police have made 12,967 arrests since 2000, city attorneys have won just 2,068
convictions."

https://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/us/29cncguns.html

Almost 13,000 arrests led to about 2000 convictions. That's not a very good record.

You're probably right.

On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 19:56:21 -0400, Alex wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 6 Aug 2018 19:58:18 -0400, Alex wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 6 Aug 2018 13:54:16 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

Time for more gun Lars that don’t work. BTW, you’re seeking yet another term?

https://abc7chicago.com/amp/66-shot-...tings/3892234/
Some great quotes from the article: "...Chicago Police Superintendent Eddie Johnson said more needs
to be done to hold repeat gun offenders accountable.

"It is the same people who are pulling the triggers in some of these communities. This isn't a
widespread issue among citizens of the city. This is a small subset of individuals who think they
can play by their own rules because they continue to get a slap on the wrist when we arrest them,"
Johnson said."

""I hear people holding us accountable all the time," Johnson said. "I never hear people saying
these individuals out here in the streets need to stop pulling the trigger. I never hear that. I
never hear that. They get a pass from everybody and they shouldn't."

Johnson has the right idea.
He does, but he can't write and pass the laws. That falls on Rahm and
his cronies.
I'm thinking the laws are already on the books, but the judges don't enforce them.

"...they continue to get a slap on the wrist when we arrest them..."

From a New York Times story:

"“We do bypass our ordinance because the penalties are more serious under state laws,” Ms. Hoyle
said. “But there’s this idea that we didn’t really enforce the ordinance, and that’s just not true.
We prosecute people all the time.”

Those prosecutions, however, rarely result in convictions, according to the data from the clerk’s
office. While the police have made 12,967 arrests since 2000, city attorneys have won just 2,068
convictions."

https://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/us/29cncguns.html

Almost 13,000 arrests led to about 2000 convictions. That's not a very good record.

You're probably right.

USA today is carrying an article today that says 80% of Chicago's
homicides are going unsolved, not even having anyone charged.
This should be more distressing for people who care about African
Americans because most of the murders that do get solved are of white
people. Basically if you want to kill a black person, do it in Chicago
and nobody will care. Baltimore, DC, Camden or most of the cities in
the blue states are not much better.